mr. margoli, thank you so much. we appreciate it. as with anything this conflict, even the official body counts come down to whose side you're on. who you're supporting. the palestinians say 1865 of their people have been killed in this conflict. that of course includes militants. the united nations, human rights groups, and the israelis, they all use different numbers. >> so, jake, how do we know the real number of civilian casualties? let's ask. the office of the u.n. high commissioner for human rights. thanks for joining us. can you hear me? >> yes. >> okay. as you know, there are big discrepancies in terms of different agencies saying that there are different numbers of civilian casualties. let me give you an example of what i'm talking about. i'll put a graphic up on the screen for you. there are 1800 roughly palestinians who have been killed in the past month. there is a group called the almazon center for human rights. it's a gaza group. they say 82% of those casualties were palestinians. then there is the palestinian center f

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