mr. mark dubowitz represents today but they know better with that international monitoring organization. i saw that firsthand. so with the opportunity that we have to negotiate and agreed anyway to have an agreement is more intrusive and verification from the international atomic energy agency not those who previously told us as a stakeholder the manufactured information of the nuclear weapons program. said to have that upon the table got to have the interest groups say what is going on. >> use a the supreme leader is someone that could be trusted? what about the iranian supreme leader? >> guest: i don't think anybody should be interest bond dash trusted rather president of united states or iran. we have a lot to hold our government accountable. in what is so important here and but we can do for our our own interest and even to go beyond that. and the al myers and that is something else side of the interest. we want the incredibly successful nonproliferation treaty. the only thing they did is better 75% israel and pakistan that is what we don't want. >> host: now we go to jamaica on the

mr. mark dubowitz.t of all, is very important to establish the fact mark dubowitz is with the israeli organization national foundation for democracy like another think tank is the israeli organization. >> host: let's let him respond. >> guest: i don't work for the national foundation so we are an american think tank supported by americans we take no money from foreign governments and we're committed to defending the security but talk about hillary who is a courageous but lonely voice. with the position on sanctions contradict not only the obama administration and but the bipartisan congress with the entire community that believes they are brought along to the table but they fear coercive power of these sanctions will make you believe you can come to the table to these hardened and with the just mere engagement of decades of nuclear infrastructure with the program put together through billions of dollars of investment anybody who is engaged in international diplomacy buying a used car or a house are nego

mr. mark dubowitz is. we cannot get into this isolation mindset.ost: would you like to talk about the history of distrust that we see today? guest: let's talk about the present. right now, iran is maintaining a nuclear infrastructure against multiple you and security counsel that have been supported by china, the europeans, and the united states that require iran to stop enrichments, come clean of the iaea of possible military dimensions on the program and actually, they you and security council has spoken -- the un security council has spoken. these negotiations have to deal with the reality. the history is painful on both sides and there is no doubt. the reality and the future to get a peaceful nuclear deal that prevents more in the middle east and a cascade of proliferation will require, unlike what hillary is suggesting, a conference of deal with sanction relief so that we put -- so that we retain peaceful leverage so that when the iranians she the way the have cheated for decades, we have a peaceful instrument to respond to iranian compliance.