mr.baez, mr. mason, we are going to spend some time this morning figuring out her credit for time served and it's going to take us probably about an hour to sort of sort it out because of the previous sentences that she has been given. but with the good time and gain time, depending on preliminary figures, some time early august, maybe late july, but i can't say that until after i first determine time served and then the jail has to apply, according to their figures, their good time and gain time that she has gained in this. so if you want to wait around or we can communicate that with you and if you have a different figure, then we can get that taken care of. i will reserve jurisdiction for 60 days to determine the cost of prosecution and investigation. >> [inaudible]. >> tell me when you'll be ready. >> i've been advised a minimum of 30, so any time after that would be acceptable. >> mr. mason? >> [inaudible] -- whenever they get around to -- [inaudible] -- so we can check the validity of those and po

supervisor cohen: i am curious, is mr. mason going to come back and speak to the safety and security? we kind of skipped over that slide. >> do you want to talk about it? >> this is mr. mason. >> [inaudible] >> good afternoon. i am director of safety and security enforcement for the mta. i want to talk about what we're doing on the t-line with the inspectors in the muni transit assistance. they're deployed on a daily basis, from 7:00 a.m. to 10:00 p.m. at night. they ride the t-line. they start out add muni metro east, right off of cesar chavez. they ride the t-line to get to their post and back. we have folks that are dedicated to the k-t line on a daily basis. they do monthly focused inspections at different stations along third street. we have the muni transit assistance that are concentrating in the bay view area. they write buses and trains throughout the area. they are a uniformed presence to be -- to deter crime. we work closely with the bayview district police station, with the fare inspectors and the muni transit assist

. >> mr. mason, before we proceed to sentencing, mr. baez, you had asked me to reserve ruling on your motion for mistrial. >> i'm going to recall that, your honor. >> okay. >> that takes care of that. >> the defendant casey anthony is before the court for sentencing on counts four, five and six providing false information to law enforcement officer. mr. baez, do you know of any legal calls why we should not proceed to singles at this time, sir? >> four, five, six and seven. >> and seven. >> and the only legal cause that we have would be the previously filed motions. you can't proceed to sentencing if the subsequent remedies if she takes them. >> would the state care at this time to present any matters relative to aggravation? >> not on that issue, your honor, no. >> state care to present any issues at this time concerning any other matter? >> your honor, yesterday i filed a motion to tax special caution of investigation and to reserve jurisdiction. the only reason that i would bring this up prior to the actual sentencing has to do with

>> mr. mason will be handling this. >> mr. mason? >> i do not object to the bifurcation process, your honor. they have not presented invoice to us or any accounting as of yet. we will be reviewing and then challenging as appropriate. so she asked for 60 days. and i have no problem with that. >> okay. the court will retain jurisdiction to deal with the issue of cost of prosecution and other costs, i guess, pursuant to chapter 938. that's the statute that you're seeking those costs under? >> it is, your honor. >> okay. mr. mason, mitigati ? you may proceed. [ no microphone ] >> we have a legal argument about double jeopardy. >> go ahead. >> you are watching the casey anthony sentencing hearing. she is just minutes away from fining out her fate. she was found not guilty on the three greater charges, one including first-degree murder. she was only found guilty for lying to authorities and the maximum penalty is four years. >> yes. and they are going through some bureaucratic things now in the court case and going through them slowly but

. >> mr. mason, before we proceed the sentencing, mr. baez, you had asked me to reserve ruling on your motion for mistrial. >> we -- your honor. >> okay. okay. that takes care of that. the defendant casey anthony is before the court for sentencing on counts 4, 5, and 6, providing false information to a law enforcement officer. mr. baez, do you know of any legal calls why we should not proceed to sentencing at this time, sir? >> 4, 5, 6 and 7. >> and 7. >> and only legal calls that we have is previously filed motions attacking -- no legal calls like you can't proceed to sentencing with the subsequent remedies that she takes. >> would the state care, at this time, to present any matters relative to aggravation? >> not on that issue, your honor, no. >> state care to present any issues at this time concerning any other matter? >> your honor, yesterday, i filed a motion to tax special cost of investigation and prosecution and to reserve jurisdiction. the only reason that i would bring this up prior to the actual sentencing has to do with the

>> mr. mason >>> they have not presented us with any invoice suspended and we will deal with the issue. >> mr. mason you may proceed circa we have how >> we have however >> before sentencing we like to address a double jeopardy on accounts 56 and 7 it arose during the july 16th interview all four counts of lying to enforcement officers as these all segments are double jeopardy. it the case from 2006 of 15 counts >> let me stop you for a second. >> i apologize her right gave that information to the clark. >> >> this test requires the court look as separation of time and place with the objective criteria criminal act of an intensive looking at that criteria if the defendant had time to pause and reflect and fighting off accounts 5 and 6 are double jeopardy pointed to the fact there was no break in the conversation so it does not warrant separate charges of false statement she made to the detective is from a single interview when 2080 there were no breaks it would suggest that at that offended had ti

. >> mr. mason, before we proceed, mr. baez, you had asked me to reserve ruling on your motion for mistrial. >> we withdraw that, your honor. >> okay. that takes care of that. the defendant, casey anthony, is before the court, for sentencing on counts four, five and six, providing false information to a law enforcement officer. mr. baez, do you know of any legal cause why we should not proceed the sentencing at this time? >> four, five, six and seven. >> and seven. >> and the only legal cause that we have would be the previously filed motions that are not evidence, no legal cause why you can't proceed to sentencing with the subject. >> would the state care at this time to present any matters relative to ag gages -- aggravation? >> not on that issue no,. >> does the state care to present any issues at this time concerning any other matter? >> your honor, yesterday, i filed a motion for special cost of prosecution and enter certain jurisdiction. the only reason i would bring this up prior to the actual sentencing has to do w

. >> mr. mason, before we proceed to sentencing, mr. bias you asked me to reserve ruling on your motion for mistrial. okay. that takes care of that. the defendant, casey anthony, is before the court for sentencing on counts four, five and six providing false information to a law enforcement officer. mr. biaz do you know of any legal cause why we should not proceed to sentencing at this time, sir? >> four, five, six and seven your honor. >> and seven. >> only legal cause that we have would be previously filed motions. [ indiscernible ] no legal cause why you can't proceed to sentencing. >> would the state care at this time to present any matters relative to aggravation? >> not on that issue, your honor, no. >> state care to present any issues at this time concerning any other matter? >> your honor, yesterday i filed a motion to tack special investigation and prosecution and to reserve jurisdiction. the only reason i would bring this up prior to the actual sentencing has to do with the jurisdiction of the court once sentence is imposed if

mr. mason, do you want to see it? do you want to see it? >> i do, your honor. > i do. >> they'll let you know as soon as it's available. >> gregg: quite a dramatic moment inside the courtroom. one attorney didn't want to see. the other attorney wants to see the videotape at the very end during the closing argument. jose baez blaming all of this on the father of the accused, not his client the defendant and the prosecutor would appear have to be with a hand over his face mocking and laughing and so forth. the judge had warned him even before it begin, don't make any gestures, facial or otherwise. let's go to robert shaw who is a veteran trial attorney. robert, is this all that important in the grand scheme of things? >> no, jose baez let jeff ashton get the best of him. he has to have a poker face. he can't allow him to emotion overtake him at table and speak wi some sort of gesture. but jose baez took the wind out of his own sails. he was at the crescendo of his closing statement. he was about

after i am done, mr. mason will then stand up and cover the jury instructions and the law and then i will have one last opportunity to speak with you. but generally this is our moment. this is our opportunity to show you and explain to you what we think the evidence showed in this case. the state after we're done will get to stand up and have what's called a rebuttal argument. this is the hardest point for a defense lawyer because i can never come back up and respond. the reason it's done that way is because the state has the burden of proof here. they have the burden beyond and to the exclusion of every reasonable doubt which is the highest standard in american juris prudence, the highest standard that must be met. that's why they're afforded the opportunity to have the last word. it wasn't because we tossed a coin and they won. it's because it is their burden. you'll recall when i told you in the very beginning, when we did the jury selection and i had the unique opportunity to speak to each and every one of

>> mr. mason, mr. baez, anything else you would like to say? >> reporter: outside the courthouse, the fury among the few dozen protesters was turning ugly and menacing. >> eye for an eye. >> reporter: there weren't many of them, especially in greater orlando's 2 million people, but some of their signs and they threats kept up a genuine mood of many people across the country. a dangerous mood. >> she going to drink champagne tonight? i don't think so. >> trials have to be shorn of emotion. >> reporter: alan dershowitz sees the casey anthony case as a prime example of how the justice system separates what happens outside the courthouse from what happens inside. >> judges, juries are supposed to be beyond the emotion. they're supposed to look at the facts in a hard, cold, calculating way. and they're supposed to resolve the case based on just the evidence that they've heard. not the emotions of the moment. >> reporter: inside the orlando courtroom, judge belvin perry imposed the sentence. >> i will sentence you to one year in the orange county jai

mr. cheney mason, thanks for joining us today, sir.te your time. >> you're welcome. >> so illinois is hoping to hunt down more offenders of child porn by using new internet technology. this week the state attorney general is urging internet companies to use photo dna software to track who is downloading child porn. the illinois attorney general, lisa madigan, is here now to talk more about this with me. lisa, it's great to have you with us. explain to all of us that don't know, how does this photo dna software work? >> it's very interesting, and so how it works is that every digital image can be assigned what they call a hash value. it is basically a numeric calculation that allows it basically to have a signature. and so those hash values then, once we know them, can be compared to images that are out on the internet and so we take the known child pornography, really the worst of the worst images, the images of very young children being raped, and they're able to identify those, match them and then remove them. in addition to removing

mr. mason has said she wasn't inclined to go back to the parents' house. certainly -- mr. baez is out of stay, he may be back by now. >> greta: are the parents willing to have her come back home? >> unfortunately, that is attorney/client privilege. whatever my clients tell me, i can't say otherwise i could lose my license. >> greta: you can misinterpret things by looking from a distance. there's been a lot of talk about the fact that as soon as the verdict was read that george and cindy anthony left the courtroom. should we read anything into that? any reason they left the courtroom abruptly? maybe it wasn't bankruptly explain it. >> if you look back a couple -- a couple seconds earlier, the court administrator was kind you can see her leaning over and the deputies leaning over saying, probably now would be a good time to leave. for security purposes we are going to take the advice of law enforcement and takeoff when they tell us to. >> greta: by the way, how do they feel about this verdict? i imagine it is difficult, it is their ground child, their daughter and a horrible

>> mr. mason, turn your speaker on, please, sir. >> verdict form, complete package is missing the two special finding ones, and do you the last one, frank? >> mr. mason, you may want to also inspect the verdict formsly be reading to the jury and make sure those are the same ones that we discussed yesterday. >> your honor -- >> i will need them back. but please inspect them. while you are reviewing those, the rules of criminal procedure provides that a certain instructions that i need to give the alternate jurors, because of the nature of this particular case. the instructions specifically provide that they are to remain in the courtroom and that i am to give them instructions. generally that's what i generally do. this case is somewhat unusual. in the sense of media and public interest. what i have done in the past is that i will do that, and they will go out of the front door and then they will go about their business. this particular case they cannot do this. this is what i propose to do. i have

. >> mr. mason. >> i'll ob to the bifurcation process. they have not presented an invoice or accounting as of yet. we will be challenging as appropriate. she asked for 60 days. i have no problem with that. >> the court will retain jurisdiction to deal with the issue of cost of prosecution and other costs, i guess, pursuant to chapter 938. that's the statute that you're seeking those costs under? >> it is, your honor. >> okay. mr. mason, mitigation. you may proceed, sir. go ahead. all right. >> may it please the court. >> good morning. >> good morning, your honor. >> we respect the court address the vie laugs of double jeopardy at issue with respect to count 5, 6 and 7. because all four statements in the indictment arose in the july 16 interview between detective and miss anthony all four counts providing to a law enforcement officer were one countous act. as such each false statement separately charged violates double jeopardy and must be reduced to one conviction based on one count. in hamill v. state, 934 southern 2nd, 634, a florida 2n

i'd like to call mr. mason to the podium. folks, i am almost done. i just want to talk about the t- line, get clarification. so, tell us the overall strategy. >> the overall strategy for the t-line -- we have transit fare at inspectors. there was an audit conducted about a year ago, with the concern that the t-line, the fare increase was the highest on the t-line. the fare inspectors were moved to muni metro, so they could have a more concentrated effort, and that is all the way up to a third straight. you have more of those folks up there. there are folks that are completely dedicated to that area. supervisor cohen: is this a standard approach to fare evasion? or is this unique to the se? >> i'm not going to say it is unique, because we have targeted this line. i do not want to say it is just 33. we have a concentrated effort on the line. it is a high target area where we see the need for fair enforcement. supervisor cohen: ok. ok, folks. i am done with my questions. supervisor mar: i think we should open this up for public comment. supervisor cohen

then after that, as i mentioned, mr. mason will get up and give, explain what the charges are and explain what must be proven and also explain the judge's instructions to you. and how they apply to the defense's case. how they apply to the state's case. to try to give you an understanding. we realize while you are all very educated people, you're not skilled in the area of the law. so this is something that we'll want to use to assist you in that regard. then finally i'll have my last remarks that i think are something, are points i think you should also consider before we sit down. as i mentioned, this s the toughest time when the verdict goes up, but of to understand the reason why. now let me start with my biggest fear. that is that this case deals with so much emotion. i know that there were times where every single person in here felt something deep down inside. the law gives us a guidance as to what we should do when it comes to emotion; that is, the rules of the deliberation, what the law is, this case must not be decid

mr. mason is here if you have questions about that. i would be happy to support him from the service side. but just a quick overview and looking at how our fair inspectors and transit assistance work on the line. in their part of the overall service team. finally, i think, while we're very pleased with some of the things that are going on, there is, in fact, lots of room for improvement. and i think that, first and foremost, as the data indicates, the single biggest area for improvement would be high and the acceleration of improving the reliability of our vehicles. i am is suggesting a number of things that are in place and we're putting in place, and that is again doors and steps. they are part of a longer-term overhaul program. our feeling is that with the quality of service right now, that we have to a accelerate that program. there is approximately 137 cars that are active fleet. we need to move to replace the doors and steps and rebuild them within a year, because that will give us the biggest bang for the buck. they represent 40

not been satisfied that the evidence proves it beyond a reasonable doubt, ask yourself, what would mr. mason argue about that? or say in response to that? and you do your duty. you light like candles for the constitution and you do your duty and you find casey marie anthony not guilty because they have not proven her guilt. thank you very much. judge: oh sky, we will take a five minute debate before we proceed to the rebuttal argument by the state of florida. >> trying to sow reasonable doubt, that has been the defense method and mission through the day trying to show in their view there are holes in the prosecution case inferring that little caylee instead drowned in the swimming pool and was buried in a disfunctional family, indicating there were no shoes or socks and she was at home. many, many, many small details that go unnoticed oftentimes except at this point. and now, we will go do phil keating who has been covering the case. it is the little moments, the points that baez who brought out to show innocence and the other moments the prosecution tries to show her guilt. what are the mos

>> mr. mason, turn the speaker off, please, sir. >> verdict form complete package missing the two special finding ones. you got the last once, right? o? >> mr. mason you may also want to inspect the verdict forms that i will be reading to the jury to make sure those are the same ones that we discussed yesterday. i would need them back, but please inspect them. while uri viewing those the rules of criminal procedure provides that there are certain instructions i need to give the alternate jurors because of the nature of this particular case. the instructions specifically provide that they are to remain in the courtroom, and that i am to give them the instructions. generally that's what i generally do. this case is somewhat unusual in the sense of media and public interest. what i've done in the past is i will do that, they will go out of that front door, and then they'll go about their business. this particular case they cannot do this. this is what i propose to do. i have made arrangements with th

and certainly i know mr. mason has said on different interviews that cindy or i'm sorry. casey didn't want to have relation with either george or cindy but nobody has mentioned lee at this time. so at any time at least it sounds like casey wants some sort of relationship with lee. lee will explain what he wants to do when wants to. >> judge jeanine: does the family have any idea where casey is going when she is released. there is even talk that she is going to live with an aunt in texas? >> the texas thing is purification. i talked to -- is pure fiction. i talked to my clients about that as well. there is no family that they know of in texas. this woman said she was part of a family conversation. we are still trying to figure out which family she was con conversesatting with. people are coming out of the wood work to make things up and try and get their 10 seconds of fame. for whatever reason this woman happens to think that cindy is writing a book for a $3 million deal. there was a family meeting that she was a part of and casey is coming to live with her. i'm hearing th

mr. mason is entitled to his opinion, as am i. his general disapproval the media is patriotic. the middle finger demonstration was pinheaded and immature. vote on billoreilly.com on whether you believe casey and the nerded her daughter? is she guilty or not guilty of murder? that is it for us tonight check out the fox news pack for web state different from billoreilly.com. -- sound off about the factor from me where in the world. oreilly@foxnews.com. name and town if you wish to opine. do not be splenetic, oh new wore. if you know what that means you are good. i had to look it up. good word. don't be that. again, thanks for watching tonight. i'm bill o'reilly remember the spin stops here because we

. >> well, keeping them honest, though, on those talking heads, mr. mason seems to hold in such low regard, he once was one of them. in this very case. before. and he got is wrong. >> it could have been an accidental death like we talked before and an improper disposal. it could have been an outright brutal homicide. we don't know. >> if it all plays out as many expect -- >> you can pretty well predict that there's going to be a life sentence. >> in session correspondent jean casarez spoke with cheney mason today. the big question when casey is released where is she going to go. did mason give a hint about that? >> he said plans are being made. he would not tell me what they are. but he is concerned for her safety, they all are. they do realize the public opinion in this nation deems casey anthony may be one of the most hated women in america right now. so they are taking security precautions for her safety. >> yeah. i want to play some of what he said about their fears for her safety. let's listen. >> sure. yeah. everybody around her knows we have to be co

it was the defense saying with mr. mason, i believe, it was brilliant with the charts. saying you cannot have that leap of faith of guilt because of the reasonable doubt. the reasonable doubt cannot get you on that leap of faith case. so this will be the leap of faith case where reasonable doubt, this will be taught in school, and mr. baez, i applaud you, you did an outstanding job because you threw the kitchen sink against the wall and something stuck. something stuck. >> we're looking at live pictures outside the courthouse there. it is by all accounts quiet and subdued -- >> they're stunned. >> this is it right now. but david mattingly, you have been out there for three weeks. you spoke to a lot of people, and i listen to people screaming out and saying things about casey anthony. what is your sense there? describe the mood right now. >> reporter: i can tell you that building up to this, one of the things that drove people to the trial in such large numbers, and kept their attention so closely for the past few weeks was the fact that they wanted to see justice for th

and you stay classy, mr. mason. the casey anthony circus is set to leave town, but not before a final in your face gesture from a lawyer for the woman who very well may walk out of jail tomorrow. all right. we've been watching president obama hold the first ever twitter town hal

baez and mr. mason? will you be prepared to go sentencing? go to sentencing thursday or friday of this week? >> thursday. >> okay. then we will set sentencing thursday at 9:00 a.m. in this courtroom. okay. any other matters that we need to take up at this time? >> nothing from the state, your honor. >> ladies and gentlemen of the jury, on behalf of the citizens of the ninth judicial circuit, i would like to express my sincere thanks and appreciation for your service as jurors. you all are residents of pinellas county, florida, and we came over there, met with you, questioned you, and took you away from your families for a very extended period of time. and for that, i say thank you. as i told you when i first spoke with you in talking about jury service, that one of the most important obligations of citizenship in my opinion was service on a jury. i told you it was very important that if we believed in that constitutional provision, that provision that provides a right to trial by jury, that it was important for people to serve no matter what

but for mr. mason to get up here and try to really -- and i hate to use this lawyer/judge term -- chill, to chill the people who come on, this is, again, one of the things that makes this country so great, that we can get up there and talk freely about these things and offer our opinions and offer to the world where we think things are going without having to worry about being vilified -- martha: what he's saying, randy, what he's saying is nobody out there, all of us knows what he knows about this story. be all of us, here we go, right? casey anthony will be free to write a book, tell her story, talk about the abuse or whatever it it was. now she's completely free, right? she can say this is what happened. >> oh, absolutely. double double general by -- jeopardy, she can't be tried again. >> she'll have to be careful. >> under the son of sam law, can she make any money off of it? if she wrote a book about this incident and she gets a million dollar signing bonus, because she was actually convicted of s

baez and mr. mason were doing an outstanding job. they were prepared, comfortable, passionate, they really went for it and deserve all the credit in the world. second of all, i think -- in my experience, the more intelligent the prosecutor, which means the higher their iq and intelligence, the lower their eq and emotions. prosecutors tend to be deficient when it comes to understanding the emotions of the courtroom. i saw these tortured, pained, you know, just terribly tragic parents being dragged back and forth to the witness stand by the prosecutors, and the defense lawyers did the same thing. i remember saying to susan you, i said this jury is not going to want to torture these parents any more if they don't have to. i think the prosecutors maeds a terrible mistake the way they handled these parents. i they they neglected the fact that jurors might feel sorry for them on some level, conscious or unconscious. emotionally the defense grabbed the courtroom. they convinced these jurors they should look for reasons to acquit, and that's

so muchso, that this episode that mr. mason talked about, of ms. anthony being handcuffed was ended, like that. because, the members of the orange county sheriffs office were there to help. they weren't there threatening her to give a statement, they were there to help. the next day, at universal studios, there were three long-term detectives who were there, to help. if you listen to ms. anthony's statement again, they say to her, you have three detectives here, who want to help you. who will expend the resources to find your daughter. why are you lying to us? these aren't involuntary statements, as it has been suggested we should throw out. these are statements suggestive of a consciousness of guilt on ms. anthony's part. she was buying time. like she had done with her parents, her brother, her friends. the 31 days are really meaningless? did i hear that? did i hear a version of that? counsel sugget the detailing of what ms. anthony was doing, during these 31 days, had more to do with the state trying to prove that she was a... i hear that? nothin

baez, mr. mason, we're going to spend some time this morning figuring out her credit for time served. depending on preliminary figures. some time early august, maybe late july. >> reporter: this judge says he's going to reserve judgment for at least 60 days on that issue of what casey anthony might owe this community for the investigation into these crimes. in the meantime, you probably saw casey anthony, hair down, for the first time in court. she was so animated when she came in. smiling, almost laughing. a different person than we saw at trial. but when the judge leveled this at her, george, her demeanor changed back to what we've been seeing all the way along. >> it sure did. we have a lot to talk about, ashleigh. let's bring in our team. >>> dan abrams is coming in. yunji de nies who was inside the courtroom. and terry moran outside the courtroom. dan, i want to start with you. casey anthony's lawyers tried to argue for one misdemeanor conviction? >> they tried to say this was double-jeopardy. b

but at the same time, i agree with mr. mason that we can't have vigilante justice.ict, we can talk about it as you have this morning in a very reasonable, thoughtful way that evokes people's emotions, that reflects on it. but at the same time, let's not allow a situation where there's a mob. and where we say let's turn it upside down. >> i have to ask the question. what people really have been talking about in the last couple of hours is with all these tv shows like "csi" and talking about d.n.a., is that what jurors expect when they go in? >> we would expect that a prosecution says the person was killed on this day by this means in this place, they don't expect and i give all due honor to the prosecution, they're people that serve our country well and ably and honorably and i honor them today even though they lost. because it's a search for justice. and it's a search for truth. but people want to know the who, what, when, where, why and how. that was missing. not this stuff about "csi" that some people have talked about. >> it's fascinating to see why the jurors di

mr. hsu, how's it going? if you weren't driving a cable car, what would you be doing? >> watching tv? >> so you can play the drums and watch perry mason at noon at the same time. sounds good to me. ladies and gentlemen, mr. joseph hsu. [ringing bells] [applause] >> joseph hsu, ladies and gentlemen. joseph hsu. now, all those six men are competing against this man, ladies and gentlemen. we left him for last simply because he was the 46th annual cable car bell ringing champion. ladies and gentlemen, he's been with muni for nine years, eight years on the cable car. let's hear it for two-time winner mr. leonard oates. [applause] go -- good to see you, leonard. up got the gloves on. i see you are ready. you and i have a city in common. where were you born? >> new orleans, louisiana. >> new orleans, louisiana the yeah, let's hear it for the 504. how do you prepare for this whole darn thing here? >> practice. >> ok. that will get you to broadway but here you are in union square. ladies and gentlemen, two-time winner, mr. leonard oates. >> this is what i do every day. [ringing bells] >> leonard oates, ladies and gentlemen, reigning two-time c

mr. cheney mason giving that chart of the reasonable doubt scale, i think people and all of us as citizens have to accept this, convicting someone for a crime under our constitution in this united states, these united states, beyond a reasonable doubt is a virtual impossibility. when that jury knowing the scrutiny they were under because of the media coverage, i think they were so careful -- >> debra, forgive me. i need to interrupt. i just got news in my ear that members of the jury will be speaking. they're not -- >> i knew it. >> we need to respect their privacy. the alternates are on their way here and i will speak with them in less than five minutes. they have not been asked. i am going to ask them, and we will talk to them about that, and as soon as i speak with them i will come back in and let you know if the alternates are interested in speaking to you. the alternates did not have television for the last few days -- nobody had television for the last few days. we pulled all television stations recently because of cross extra promotional issues going on the networks. >> have they be