mr. mccain: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from arizona. mr. mccain: i have four unanimous consent requests for committees to meet during today's session of the senate. they have the approval of the majority and minority leaders. i ask unanimous consent these requests be agreed to and these requests be printed in the record. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mccain: mr. president, it's now been over five years since president obama signed into law the so-called affordable care act, a sweeping health care overhaul that passed this chamber without a single republican vote. while legislation as important as this should have been held to the highest standard and including broad bipartisan support, president obama, and then the 60 vote congressional delegates relied on fuzzy math to jam through this enormous unwieldy health care measure that the american people overwhelmingly oppose. such unilateral action has become president obama's signature domestic policy legacy. but today, today all that bullying and brinkmanship comes to a screechi

mr. mccain: mr. president, i ask that proceedings under the quorum call be suspended. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mccain: and i ask to address the senate as if in morning business. the presiding officer: the senator from arizona. mr. mccain: mr. president, i rise to call attention today sadly to the triumph of pork-barrel parochialism in this year's omnibus appropriations bill, in particular a policy provision thals airdropped -- that was airdropped into this bill, a direct contravention to the national defense authorization act, which will have u.s. taxpayers subsidize russian aggression and comrade capitalism. nearly two years ago russian president vladimir putin, furious that the ukrainian people had ousted a pro--moscow stooge in crime yarks the first days since the hitler and stal stalin, to dismember a sovereign state on the european continent. more on that 8,000 people have died in this conflict including 298 innocent people aboard malaysian airlines flight 17 who were murder

mr. mccain: madam president? officerrethe presiding officer:r the senator from arizona. mr. mccain: i ask unanimous consent to address the senate as if in morning business and take as much time as i may consume. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. mccain: 70 years ago a group of american leaders forged the rules-based international order out of the ashes of world war ii. those that were there recall that they were -- quote -- "present at the creation." we may well look back at 2015 and realize we were present at the unraveling -- we were present at the unraveling. at the beginning of this year, president obama was still committed to degradingrading and ultimately destroying isil. he had warned "if left unchecked, isil could pose a growing theft to the middle east, including to the united states, and in 2015, that's exactly what happened in paris and san bernardino, and it will not be the last. i promise my colleagues, under this administration, that will -- with the present policy and lack of strategy, there will be other attacks on the united states of america, and

mr. mccain: mr. president, i rise to call attention today sadly to the triumph of pork-barrel parochialism in this year's omnibus appropriations bill, in particular a policy provision thals airdropped -- that was airdropped into this bill, a direct contravention to the national defense authorization act, which will have u.s. taxpayers subsidize russian aggression and comrade capitalism. nearly two years ago russian president vladimir putin, furious that the ukrainian people had ousted a pro--moscow stooge in crime yarks the first days since the hitler and stal stalin, to dismember a sovereign state on the european continent. more on that 8,000 people have died in this conflict including 298 innocent people aboard malaysian airlines flight 17 who were murdered by vladimir putin's loyal supporters with weapons that vladimir putin had supplied them with. putin's imperialist campaign in europe forced a recognition for anyone not yet convinced that we're confront ago challenge that many had assumed was re

mr. mccain: before paris, i would say you could not get the numbers. that poll, i would like to compare with just before paris. you have seen -- right now, it is fairly evenly divided. only greater against. -- significantly greater against. i think it requires presidential leadership. it requires a president who can explain to the american people the threat, the extent of it. and what we need to do. it is one thing to say, we need more troops. it is another to say, here is why we need more troops. here is the situation. they are capable of doing the following thing. they are the first terrorist organization that has a base. they are working on chemical weapons. it requires some professional leadership. right now, it is advertised as us having 3500. we have people rotating in and out. numbers of support people. civilians. what they got now, about 5000. what lindsay and i are talking about is 5000 more to do what they are doing, only they need more of it. as far as the other situation in is concerned, first of all, you need an overall strategy. second of

mr. mccain. he could have walked out but he wouldn't unless he took all the women with him.nt because you don't like her face. despite your denials you went into a spastic routine and made fun of a reporter or journalist with a physical disability and nothing you do, nothing you do or say hurts you with your supporters. we understand, mr. trump that you have tapped into frustration with barack obama and frustration with the media we understand that but do you understand you are playing with fire. what you are doing and saying may do harm not just to the republican party but also to the united states of america itself? >> if i ask that question though, the interview would have been over. i would have had to have gone to a break because it's so long. >> have you been known to gpá)h&ong questions. >> all those questions that you had had mentioned i had asked in previous interviews a and actually we had discussed it. but here's the deal with trump. you agree apparently with my talking points memo that he has been enabled obama and thny the media. so you and i are sik with that,

mr. mccain: mr. president, i come to the floor today to discuss the consolidated appropriations bill of 2016. i'm obviously pleased we're not going to pass another continuing resolution, which i believe is irresponsible, but at the same time the process by which we are now considering this legislation is just as irresponsible. and as my colleague from texas just pointed out, we are here where we are because my colleague and leader on the other side of the aisle refused to allow the appropriations bills which had been passed through the committee one by one to be considered and voted on and amended in the fashion that the american people expect us to behave, and frankly the constitution demands. so here we are after months and months of gridlock with the democrat leader not allowing us to bring up these bills one by one. we are now faced with a $1.1 trillion bill that in the view of many is must pass with literally hours to review and debate and no amendments. no amendments. so we're faced with a situ

mr. mccain and other hawkish committee members talk about what they consider a gap in mr.bama's strategy, leaving the -- leaving raqqa in hands of the islamic state indefinitely until syrian rebels -- [video clip] what we do need in iraq is several additional thousand u.s. troops to accelerate the training of iraqi forces, especially sunni fighters, advanced fighters closer to the fight, calling airstrikes from forward positions, and conduct counterterror operations could alternately, to destroy isil in syria, we need a multinational ground force, primarily made up of sunni, arab forces, but with a strong u.s. component to do what no local force now can or will could we take raqqa, caliphate ins syria, and prepare for a long stabilization effort. we need to seize the initiative, rollback isil's regional expansion. this will call for greater u.s. military intelligence teams and support countries in building a just and inclusive government. senatorose are ideas of john mccain. may have ideas on your own as far as the defeat of isis. if you want to call on our three lines, (2

mr. chairman spent on behalf of chairman mccain, senator wicker. >> mr. secretary, always good to have yo you back and to add to t senator mccain said, hope you come back more often ensure with us your thoughts. let me let you be explicit on the issue of bashar assad. because i hear and read in the paper, for example, december 7 bloomberg said obama no longer seems a sure assad should go. is that true? deeply that mr. assad should explicitly be removed from power, or is there a growing feeling that perhaps we ought to team up with assad? >> i think, i don't want to speak for them but i think what secretary kerry is trying to engineer is the departure of assad in a way that everyone can support, which by the way includes the russians have a lot of influence with assad so it's important see if we can get them on the right side of history. and that accomplishes that, and this is important, quite apart from the atrocities that assad has committed, in a way that removes him while the structures of the syrian state are still relatively intact. because to get bac

mr. mccain: thank you, i appreciate -- mr. cane: thank you. i appreciate senator fisher bringing up the weinberg authorization. i think there are many reasons why an authorization is really important. one is just the legal requirements of article 1 and article 2. the second is the sign of resolve that you show to adversaries, allies, and spembley your troops. mr. kaine: the third is the weinberg document. it helps you clash out at the beginning what is the mission nd goal. congress usually doesn't just accept an authorization verbatim. congress rejected president bush's originally presented version and batted it around and came up with something different. the war against isil is one that we started on august 8, 2014. the president, to protecty i ziddies and the american cons late. want couple of weeks it was -- ok, now we have to go on offense. but we didn't have the discussion. we didn't have the administration's presentation of the rationale and then the withering cross examination that that deserves. i fought the president for not sending

mr. clapper said in writing to senator mccain. my message is that there is nothing, incidentally, in this omnibus bill that was not discussed in the original bill as marked up. no air drop of language is a slightly different version of the language but says the same thing, that we think there should be some flexibility as u.l.a. moves to develop their new engine. the department of defense has convinced me that it would be shortsighted of us to make it impossible for u.l.a. to even bid on future satellite launches. god forbid something happens to spacex where they can't launch satellites. at that point then we're in a terrible situation. we can't keep our country safe when we should. none of us want that to occur. so this provision that's in the omnibus bill gives one year, one year for the department of defense and the air force to continue to work with u.l.a. to have a launch, to have competitive bidding. if spacex performs as promised and comes in with a lower bid for those launches, they deserve to win and they will, but for th

mr. chairman. >> thank you. on behalf of senator mccain, senator wicker. >> thank you, mr. secretary. ood to have you back. i do echo what senator mccain said, hope you come back more often and share with us your thoughts. let me let you be explicit on the issue of bashar assad. because i hear and i read in the paper, for example, december 7th, bloomberg said obama no longer seemed sure assad should go. is that true? do you believe that mr. assad should explicitly be removed from power or is there a growing feeling that perhaps we ought to team up with assad? >> i think, and i don't want to speak for him, but i think what secretary kerry is trying to engineer is the departure of assad in a way that everyone can support, which by the way includes the russians who have a lot of influence with assad, so it's important to see if you can get them on the right side of history here. and that accomplishes that, and this is important, quite apart from the atrocities that assad has committed, in a way that removes him while the structures of the syrian state are still relatively intact. because

. >> on behalf of chairman mccain, senator wicker, please. >> thank you very much mr. secretary. always good to have you back and do echo what senator mccain said. i hope you come back more often and share with us your thoughts. let me let you the explicit on the issue of bashor assad. baw i hear and i read in the paper these bloomberg said obama no longer seems sure assad should go. is that true? do you believe that mr. assad should explicitly be removed from power or is there a growing feeling that perhaps we ought to team up with assad? >> i think -- and i don't want to speak for him. but i think what secretary kerry is trying to engineer is the departure of assad in a way that everyone can support, which by the way includes the russian whose have a lot of influence with assad so it's important to see if you can get them on the right side of history here. and that accomplishes that. and this is important. quite apart from the atrocities assad has committed. while y that removes him the structures of the syrian state are still relatively intact. because to get back to what senat

mr. chair. >> thank you. welcome, general schwartz. >> thanks, chairman mccain and ranking member reed for your come and the committees commitment to improving dod's internal governance and defense organization shaped of the goldwater-nichols reform. it is an unexpected privilege to return to the shearing ram and to offer a few related ideas on how to improve performance in the department of defense. and it is a special pleasure to sit beside the finest flag officer of my generation, admiral stavridis. mother many issues that warrant attention am command arrangements, resource allocation, acquisition processes, overhead reduction, joint credentialing of military personnel and the potential for consolidation, among others, i wish to focus this morning on the three that i am persuaded hold the greatest promise for particularly positive outcomes. they are the role and authority of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, rightsizing the combatant commands and establishing standing joint task force is for execution of cocom operational missions that i'm prepared to address the of that matters you mentioned at your discr

mccain's question about isis not being contained. >> congressman forbes asked general duneford, quote, have we currently contained isil. general, we have not. mr. secretary, do you agree with general dunford? >> i agree with what the general said, yes. >> now listen to the secretary of homeland security jay johnson saying isis may be plotting to hide among the syrian refugees. >> we do have to be concerned about the possibility that a terrorist organization they seek to exploit our refugee resettlement process. >> got it so far? okay. now take a listen to president obama on thursday. >> our intelligence and counter terrorism professionals do not have any specific and credible information about an attack on the homeland. >> no credible information. really? i'm shaking my head, folks. either the fbi director, the secretary of defense, and the secretary of homeland security are conspiring and lying to us or the president of the united states is blatantly misleading you. i will stop now and let it sink in. the heads of three terror-sensitive agencies and deps in the u.s. government see the terror threat as real and imminent but the president is >>

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. >> mccain drilling ash carter on the assessment that the united states has not contained isis. >> mr. secretary, do you agree with the general. >> i agree with what general said, yes. >> see if we have not contained is isil, how are we to believe that we are succeeding against isil? >> i think that we are building momentum against isil. i am going to be very careful about p describing the conjectory of that success all around iraq be and syria and actions taken in libia. >> joining me is the retire the member of the army special forces. i know you heard a little bit of what secretary carter had to say today. what do you think of the momentum and is it something to build on? >> thank you, jenna. we can always find something to be positive, but the secretariy remarks sounded like what he said over a week ago. and the momentum in small pockets, but we need to prepare the american public what may be best describe a surge of embedded advisors and trainer. >> talk to me about that. numbers thrown out, give us a different impression of what would be affective in this part of the world. what

mr. trump: i always thought obama would be a unifier. anever thought of him as divider. i backed mccain, he lost, by the way. i don't blame him because a lot of things were happening. but i backed mccain and he lost. i backed romney and he sort of went away on vacation or something last month and he lost. and i said, this time i'm going to do it myself. were not going to lose. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: and the recent fox poll that just came out has me beating hillary one-on-one. i love that. that is so important. so we put out a statement. we watch this and it is impossible to watch this gross incompetence that i watched last night. and we put out a statement. just a little while ago. these people are going crazy. [laughter] mr. trump: they will report it, probably. shall i read you this statement? donald j. trump is calling for -- you have to listen to this because this is pretty heavy stuff. it is common sense. remember the poll numbers, 25%, 51%. remember the poll numbers. so remember this. so listen. donald j. trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of muslims ente

mr. trump, go to the ukraine. john and i will take you. they love john mccain because he is a voice for freedom.and listen to the ukrainian people and let them tell you what it is like to deal with their neighbor, putin. come with me and senator mccain to turkey and jordan to go to the refugee camps and meet the women who have been gang raped and orphans whose families have been killed by bombs supported by putin. the reason i mention this is because this goal of isil is beyond iraq and syria. and if we don't bring stability to the mideast, they are going to keep going. when our president tells us things are good, bull. they are in afghanistan today. they are coming here tomorrow. figuratively. i want you to understand that these people want to create a master race for that region, eventually for the world. they are not spared i don't know why -- they are nuts. i don't know why hitler wanted to kill all the jews, but he did. and somebody ought to stop them. if you think keeping assad in power helps us, you have no idea what that means for our long-term national security interests. it is the sing

mccain. >> does anybody really believe that if the united states struck back against the people that just slaughters some americans in san bernardino, that somehow that would encourage them? what encourages them, mrsecretary, is success. and they have a pretty serious record here of success just in the last couple of months since you were here. >> this back and forth was played out recently. it is sort of the same sort of arguments, the administration continues to dig? saying that a safe zone would not be effective, that combat troops on the ground from the u.s. would not get the job done, they have to work with local forces and increasing frustration from congress that the u.s. seems to be unable to assembly a ground force that can defeat isil. >> there also seems to be that ongoing debate on whether or not gulf allies are doing enough. >> yeah, he said he was in connect with 40 different countries asking them to do more. including special operations forces on the ground to do the kinds of things that a small number of u.s. troops were doing. but, again, frustration that that doesn't seem to be producing results. here is another exchange between ash carter and john mccain. >> i too wish that par

mr. trump, go to the ukraine. john and i will take you. we have been there a bunch. they love john mccain because he is a voice for freedom. and listen to the ukrainian people and let them tell you what it is like to deal with their neighbor putin. come with me and senator mccain to turkey and jordan to go to the refugee camps and meet the women who have been gang raped and orphans whose families have been killed by bombs supported by our friend mr. putin. the reason i mention this is because this goal of isil is beyond iraq and syria. and if we don't bring stability to the mideast, they are going to keep going. they are in libya today. when our president tells us things are good, bull. they are in afghanistan today. they are coming here tomorrow. figuratively. i want you to understand that these people want to create a master race for that region, eventually for the world. they are not's. i don't know why hitler wanted to kill all the jews, but he did. and he wrote a book. they are telling you what they want to do. and somebody ought to stop them. back to your question. if you think keep

mr. trump has been making inflammatoriory disgraceful comments. he maligns the war record of john mccain because he shot them. this was july. and everyone in the room, that i was reading the newspapers, said, oh, he's finished. this will do him in. then he makes an insulting comment about megyn kelly, which i wouldn't even repeat on morning tv. know, that itself the end of donald trump. and all it's done, every time he says something, it drives up his ratings. >> do you think he believes all this stuff? >> yes. >> he does? >> yes. yes. yes, i do. >> christopher buckley before you go, can i say one thing about the relic master? >> yes. thank you. please. it's reasonably priced and attractively packaged book, which would make it a wonderful christmas package. >> you wrote four dozen books to prepare for this i think it's so interesting. >> i did. i take my queue from khari lose e rose. i know that every time i have been on charlie's show and to be interviewed about my book, charlie has not only read that book but gone back and reread all my others. >> exactly. how did you know? >> because

mr. chairman. >> thank you. welcome, general schwartz. >> thanks, chairman mccain and ranking member reed and the committee's commitmentfor improving dod's internal governance and defense organizations shaped by the goldwater/nichols reforms. it's an unexpected privilege to return to this hearing room and offer a few related ideas on how to improve performance within the department of defense, and it is a special pleasure to sit beside the finest flag officer of my generation. while there are many issues that warrant attention, command arrangements, resource allocation, acquisition processes, overhead reduction, joint credentialing of military personnel and the potential for consolidation among others. i wish to focus this morning on the three that i am persuaded hold the greatest promise for particularly positive outcomes. they are the role and authority of the chairman of the joint chiefs of staff, right sizing the combat and commands and establishing standing joint task forces for execution of co-com operational missions. i'm certainly prepared to address the other matters you mentioned at your discretion. in my exp

mccain's question about isis not being contained. >> congressman forbes asked general duneford, quote, have we currently contained isil. general, we have not. mrretary, do you agree with general dunford? >> i agree with what the general said, yes. >> now listen to the secretary of homeland security jay johnson saying isis may be plotting to hide among the syrian refugees. >> we do have to be concerned about the possibility that a terrorist organization they seek to exploit our refugee resettlement process. >> got it so far? okay. now take a listen to president obama on thursday. >> our intelligence and counter terrorism professionals do not have any specific and credible information about an attack on the homeland. >> no credible information. really? i'm shaking my head, folks. either the fbi director, the secretary of defense, and the secretary of homeland security are conspiring and lying to us or the president of the united states is blatantly misleading you. i will stop now and let it sink in. the heads of three terror-sensitive agencies and deps in the u.s. government see the terror threat as real and imminent but the preside and so >> "f

mr. putin. but we have to be careful we don't make things worse. if we reach a point, we don't allow ula to to mccain that there is nothing in the bill and there is nothing discussed in the original bill as marked up. there is no air drop of language. there is a slightly different version of the language but says the same thing. there should be flexibility as ula moves to develop their new engine. the department of defense convinced me it would be short sided of us to make it impossible for ula to even bid on future satellites. god forbid space-x can't launch and we could not keep the country safe. this provision gives one year, one year for the department of defense and the air force, to continue to work with ula to have a launch. if space-x performs as promised and comes in with the molar bid for the launch and deserve to win they will. i am impressed with all of these companies. the senator from arizona raised the point bowing has its head quarters in my home state. i am proud of that. i think they are an excellent company and do great work. but my initial premise in starting this conversation in

mccain for losing. i backed romney and he went on vacation the last month and i said this time i'm going to myself. we're not going to lose. [cheers and applause] mr. trump: and the recent fox poll that just came out has me beating hillary one-on-one. i love that. so important. so we put out a statement. we watched this a it is impossible to watch this gross incompetence that i watched last night and we put out a statement. hese people are going crazy. [laughter] mr. trump: shall i read you this statement? donald j. trump is calling for -- you have to listen to this because this is pretty heavy sense. emember the poll numbers, 25%, 51%. remember this. solisen. donald j. trump is calling for a complete shutdown of muslims entering the united states until our country's representatives can figure out what the hell is oing on! [cheers and applause] mr. trump: have no choice. we have no choice. cheers and applause] mr. trump: we have no choice. according to pew research, there a great hatred towards americans by large segments of the muslim population. most recently, a poll from centers for secure policy released data showing that 25% of those polled a

mccain sparring on capitol hill. the two wrestling over america's fight against isis. secretary carter confirming what we all already knew. but president obama refused to admit. >> mr.secretary, on the first of december, before the house armed services committee, congressman forbes asked general did you diu know dun ford have we contained isil we have not contained isil. mr. secretary, do you agree with general dunford. >> i agree with what general dunford said, yes. >> former helicopter pilot in command. combat veteran amber smith goes "on the record." knives to see you, amber. >> great to so you too. >> president obama said before the paris attack isis is not contained -- >> -- look, i was happy to see secretary carter today say that isis was not contained. >> or he said it was contained. obama said it was contained. >> yeah. so i was happy to see secretary carter disagree with obama because if he didn't he would essentially be lying to congress and lying to the american people. we all know isis isn't contained. and what i didn't like was the follow-up that josh earnst say what they meant is that isis is tactically contained. isis is not tactically contained. that

senator john mccain has long pushed the fight them there instead of fight iing the here plos fi, and he pressed the pentagon boss ash carter for a strategy and for action. have a listen. >> mr. secretary, on the 1st of december before the house armed services committee congressman forbes asked mr. dunford, have we currently contained isil, and general, no, we have not contained isil. and mr. secretary, do you agree with general dunford? >> i agree with what general dunford said, yes. >> so if we have not contained isille, how are we to now believe that we are succeeding against isil? >> ah, i think that we are building momentum gaiagainst is >> in a moment, i am going to speak with barbara starr and pamela brown about the implications of what happened on capitol hill, but right now i want to go to the e emancipation wall of capitol hill, and the president is about to make a radfication of the amendment that abolished slavery. let's listen. >> please, have a seat. thank you. in giving freedom to the slave, we assure freedom to the free. that is what president lincoln once wrote. honorable alike in what we give and we preserve. we shall nobly save or meanly lose the last best

mr. reagan, you always glorify him. these people just ruin us. they took most of our land away , and john mccainus out again, the arizona republic. --arizona public. he has invited some company that has been sponsoring him, some foreign company, to dig up that copper. we should have stipulations. we should really have rules when other foreign countries come taking in our land. inthey spoilt the water colorado without spillage that ran all the way to mexico, they should be the ones that should be responsible to take care of what ever they spoilt . host: thank you for calling. many: she went through issues that have been long-standing for several decades. she mentioned uranium, the navajo nation was a source of uranium during the cold war and then during the early years of the nuclear energy power. there is a dirty legacy there in the navajo nation. the four corners power plant that she mentioned, in northwestern new mexico, , there aren arizona three huge coal firepower plants that are causing a lot of controversy about their pollution and how long they should be there. coppero mentioned the issu

mccain to strengthen veterans' healthcare. bernie sanders. building a future to believe in. sanders: i'm bernie sanders and i approve this message. >>> so what do you think about mr. trump's latest comment? >> i wondered how long it would take you to ask that? trump has proved he's not really a serious man. serious person. serious people don't say things like that. and yet here he is at 30% or whatever. mr. trump is a demagogue. and demagogues tend to use up all the oxygen in the room. my late father, whom you knew, who was a famous debater. >> whom i loved. >> who was a famous debater. told me once, an old rule is never debate with an amateur, they will kill you every time. and i puzzled over that. there he is. hey pop. because, you know, an amateur will shout and say anything. >> say anything. >> and it makes -- it makes rational argument impossible. >> what's interesting about you and donald trump is you wrote an essay, satire back in 2000. you predicted his inaugural address would be my fellow american, this is a great day for me personally. you are very smart to have voted for me. >> what did you see back then? >> 15 years ago. you read it there first. he mu

mr. chairman, the syrian kurds to the north have done an excellent job of clearing their territory. >> we're not going into raqqah and you and i know that. >> senator mccain also warned that the u.s. and the world is running out of time after the attacks there in both paris and san bernardino, california. and he said if the u.s. does not commit, become more aggressive and commit more ground forces, not entire battalions, but at least more ground forces to the fight against isis in iraq and syria, then the u.s. is willing to accept the isis caliphate in that region, thomas. >> jim miklaszewski at the pentagon, thank you. joining us is brian levin, director of the study for hate and extremism in san bernardino. brian, as we listen to mick's report there and isis's containment, explain to everybody in more thoughtful detail about how secretary ash carter was explaining that the syrian kurds are willing to go so far but then stop in their defeat of isis when it comes to their boundaries. characterize what these different factions mean collectively to pushing them out over the boundary. >> sure. there are different kurdish entities, some in iraq quite successf