mr. mccarthy decided to take her chances and self insure for the rest of the year.hoping options will be better in 2015 >> all of the bad things people forecast have basically come true. i don't want to go to other doctors. i want to stay with doctors i have. >> oeb rauma care supporters predicted once enacted, it would become more popular. so far, if new hampshire is an indication, that doesn't seem to have happened. what has happened is that it's created a lot of change. with more still to come. one thing both sides to agree on now is that we need more reform to make our health care system work. so the main political questions is will these reforms follow the path? or go another way? the up coming elections may help give us that answer. that is our program for tonight. thanks for watching. e. his long day of doing it himself starts with back pain... and a choice. take 4 advil in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. honey, you did it! baby laughs! get reait's crabfest atk, dip. red lobster! the years largest variety of crab. like new crab lover's trio! or try

mrs. mccarthy may be priced out of her own hospital. >> i won't be able to come to frisbie hospital. i won't be able to see my internists. i won't be able to so my gynecologist. i won't be able to have the same sur surgeons that i've had in the past. i can't even get my lab work done here in rochester. >> that's eliminated a third of the hospitals in the state of new hampshire. >> al felgar, ceo of the frisbie hospital system, is all too aware of the narrow network. >> it's about 350,000 people in those service areas of those hospitals. our state's only 1.3 million. >> you took out a billboard criticizing the affordable care act. is this kind of activism a normal thing for you? >> no. hospitals are supposed to be conservative and mild-man nerded and so forth. but this one, when i heard this rollout of this obama care, i was incensed. >> angry enough that he petitioned the state insurance commission to hold a hearing on the matter. his co-petitioner, margaret mccarthy. it doesn't seem fair that this new network was decided in secrecy and only made known to consumers a few short months

mrs. mccarthy has decidedr to take her chances and self su insure forre the rest of the ye.hoping her options will somehow be better in 2015. >> all of the bad things about the affordable care act that people forecast have basically l come true. i don't want to go to all of the other doctors. it is as simple as that. i want to stay with the doctors i have. >> back when it was a bill obamacare supporters predicted once enacted it would become be more popular. so farpo if new hampshire is an indication that doesn't seem too have happened. what has happened is it has created a lot of change with more to come. ironically the one thing both sides seem to agree on now is we need even more reform to make tm our healthcare system work. so the main political question is will these future reforms follow the path that the affordable care act sets out or go some other way? the up coming elections may help give us that answer. that's our program for tonight. thanks for watching. (woman) the constipation and belly pain feel tight like a vise. how can i ease this pain? (man) when i can't g

mr. mccarthy decided to take her chances and self insure for the rest of the year.g options will be better in 2015 >> all of the bad things people forecast have basically come true. i don't want to go to other doctors. i want to stay with doctors i have. >> oeb rauma care supporters predicted once enacted, it would become more popular. so far if new hampshire is an indication, that doesn't seem to have happened. what has happened is that it's created a lot of change. with more still to come. one thing both sides to agree on now is that we need more reform to make our health care system work. so the main political questions is will these reforms follow the path? or go another way? the up coming elections may help give us that answer. that is our program for tonight. thanks for watching. this is the age of knowing what you're made of. why let erectile dysfunction get in your way? talk to your doctor about viagra. ask if your heart is healthy enough for sex. do not take viagra if you take nitrates for chest pain... ...it may cause an unsafe drop in blood pressure. side

mrs. mccarthy may be priced out of her own hospital. >> i won't be able to come to frisbee hospital. i won't be able to see my internist or gynecologist or have the same surgeons i've had in the past. i can't get my lab work done here in rochester. >> it's eliminated a third of the hospitals in the state of new hampshire. >> reporter: al selgar, ceo of the frisbee hospital system is all aware of the narrow network. >> our state is 1.3 million. >> you took a billboard criticizing the affordable care act. is this kind of activism a normal thing for you? >> no. hospital people are supposed to be conservative. but when i heard this rollout of this obamacare, i was incensed. >> reporter: angry enough he petitioned for a hearing on the matter. his co petitioner, margaret mccarthy. >> this new network was decided in secrecy and made known to consumers a few short months ago. it doesn't make sense i should have to drive past my local doctors and hospitals to seek care in another community. >> reporter: the hearing was held in concord, the state capital. >> we, the public are being denied acc

mr. mccarthy.and just so you know, sometimes right before i have criminal su intent, i have pre-mensrea syndrome. and. fortunately i'm not suffering from that tonight or . you'd all be hosed.. didn't, right? were youth listening to that an like what? all right.s thank you very much, mr. mccarthy. now we're going toe hear from mi dinesh de souza. are you prepared to give your opening statement? >> i am. so this is the debate about no american foreign policy.te it's not a debate about obama'si foreign policy.eb it's not a debate about the patriot act.nd it's a debate about the impact of this country and its actions in the world on the world and on us. th so i want to start by talking t about the impact of america on the world. a good way to ask that question is to simply ask this -- what in would the world look like if thb influence of america were shrunken to zero? because that's what it means foa america to be noninterventionist. it's for america tod have zero impact on the world.o that would be fo

mr. mccarthy. >> mr. forbes mr. d'souza said in retrospect he thinks the iraq war and the vietnam war are dubious exercises. do you agree with him on that? >> you that? >> agonized look back and point out the mistakes made in the past. the vietnam war for example the first war that we lost. another way to look at vietnam is there was a terrible loss in the cold war. there was a huge battle lost. these were lost battles in world war ii but we won the cold war. given human history the sad fact is yes in retrospect we can say we shouldn't have done this and we should not duh but when you are fighting these things you will make mistakes. the key thing is are you trying to win the big one do it right in the cold war has supposedly not receive democracies don't have the sticktoitiveness that the dictatorships have. we have that sticktoitiveness even though we had rough times in the 70s especially in the aftermath of vietnam and we won the cold war. ronald reagan had the vision to see, we didn't have to have stalemate we c

mr. mccarthy. >> mr. forbes, mr.de sousa said in retrospect he thinks the iraq war and the iran war are due to exercises. do you agree with that? >> take the vietnam war, for example, the first war we lost. another way to look at vietnam is there was a terrible loss in the cold war. it was a huge battle lost just as we lost battles in world war ii. but

mr. mccarthy. >> mr. d'souza said in his opening remarks that the vietnam war was ill premised and should not have been fought. do you agree with that? >> i would have done what president eisenhower did which was not intervened in vietnam. >> it sounds as if you are in fact in favor of a more restrained than we have today as i write? >> s.. >> tell me in your experience what was the mission in iraq? >> the mission in iraq was to depose saddam hussein and provide the opportunity to roll back the forces of the civil war that we were seeing come forth and provide the opportunity for iraq to be able to save the government itself. what's important to note that most of the press doesn't cover because they have something else more important. >> there's plenty tonight right here on planet hollywood. >> iraq freed 30 million people that voted three times in fair elections and elected not a particularly good prime minister prime minister on maliki. those are people that it never voted before that had started their

mr. mccarthy. >> mr. forbes, mr. de sousa said in retrospect he thinks the iraq war and the iran war are due to exercises. do you agree with that? >> take the vietnam war, for example, the first war we lost. another way to look at vietnam is there was a terrible loss in the cold war. it was a huge battle lost just as we lost battles in world war ii. but we won the cold war. and given human history, the sad fact is, yes, in retrospect, you can say we shouldn't have done this, we shouldn't have done that. but when you're fighting these things, you will make mistakes. the key thing is, are you trying to win a big one and do it right. democracies supposedly don't have the stick-to-it-iveness, and we won the cold war. ronald reagan had the vision to see we didn't have to have stalemate, we could have victory, and we got the victory. >> mr. forbes, i would be very interested to hear if you find a distinction between ronald reagan's foreign policy and the foreign policy of perhaps lyndon johnson or george w. bush or more co

mr. mccarthy. >> mr. forbes mr. d'souza said in retrospect he thinks the iraq war and the vietnam war are dubious exercises. do you agree with him on that? >> you that? >> agonized look back and point out the mistakes made in the past. the vietnam war for example the first war that we lost. another way to look at vietnam is there was a terrible loss in the cold war. there was a huge battle lost. these were lost battles in world war ii but we won the cold war. given human history the sad fact is yes in retrospect we can say we shouldn't have done this and we should not duh but when you are fighting these things you will make mistakes. the key thing is are you trying to win the big one do it right in the cold war has supposedly not receive democracies don't have the sticktoitiveness that the dictatorships have. we have that sticktoitiveness even though we had rough times in the 70s especially in the aftermath of vietnam and we won the cold war. ronald reagan had the vision to see, we didn't have to have stalemate we c

mr. mccarthy. >> mr. forbes, mr. desousa had said in retrospect he -- are cch both rather dupe just about exercises, do you agree with him on that? that the dictatorships have. we have that sticktoitiveness even though we had rough times in the 70s especially in the aftermath of vietnam and we won the cold war. ronald reagan had the vision to see, we didn't have to have stalemate we could have victory and we got the victory. [applause] >> mr. forbes i would be interested to hear the fine distinction between ronald reagan's foreign policy in the foreign policy lyndon johnson or george w. bush or in >>> well, in terms of effective foreign policy, ronald reagan because he of the effect of foreign-policy ronald reagan because he was seen as strong putting missiles in germany is what what we called west germany and western europe. he send troops into gra nada, first time from the outside, and even though it was a small operation, it send a signal to d that the u.s. was becoming a major player again. it had run down the mi

mr. mccarthy, do you have ry further witnesses? m >> i do not. he prosecution orests.it >> thank you very much. mr. de souza, you can call your. first witness. >> i call brigadier general michael meese.u >>r general? >> general, we have a choice. would you like to swear, take yourt oath an this 400-page monstrosity that's the patriot act or this 30-page beauty that's the constitution of the united states.nsti >> i'll do both and always put r the constitution on top of the patriot act or anything else congress passed. >> do you swear to tell the . truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth?ted >> i do. >> thank you. please be seated. >> i'm justi a refugee. nothing else to do. retired after 32 years of defending mr. casey. [ applause ]el >>. order, order. sorry. justou wanted to use the gavel.e proceed. >> tell us a little bit about your qualifications to be here. >> 32 years in the army.fg 31 months overseas in iraq and q afghanistan during the surge in iraq and then 14 months in afghanistan. also my son right now is serving in regional comm

mr. mccarthy: i want to advise all members that additional votes are possible today. we will send out information as soon as it is possible. mr. hoyer: if the gentleman will yield? mr. mccarthy: yes. mr. hoyer: i thank the gentleman. we're going to have to call some members back. they already left on the representation that this was the last vote of the day. i would imagine you have some members are in that category themselves. can the gentleman give me any idea of when we will have notice as to whether or not there will be further votes today? i yield to my friend. mr. mccarthy: i thank the gentleman for yielding. knowing that some members -- and this vote now closed, and earlier announced they would not walk off the floor at 3:45, i think it's possible to advise all members that there are possible there will be votes today. i'm hopeful late this afternoon we'll be able to notify the ime. the speaker pro tempore: the house will be in order. >> tim alberta is joining us to -- therough the usual unusual day in the house. you write that house republican leaders are looki

mr. daniel mccarthy. [applause] he is the editor of the american conservative, a magazine that has been a longstanding critic of american foreign policy and an opponent of american interventionism abroad. his writing has appeared in a wide variety of publications including the spectator, reason, modern age, and some many we just don't have time to list them outside of journalism he has worked as an internet communications coordinator. you guys like ron paul? that's what i thought. senior editor of isi box. a graduate of washington university where he studied the classics. don't you love the odyssey? oh, my gosh. isn't it sad when a busy as walks and. no one knew who he was. it's the saddest part. break my heart. i love the classics. so your first attempt to win a case against mr. dinseh d'souza. after the opening statements each of our undefeated attorneys, both of them undefeated, they will call two witnesses who will be subject to cross-examination and possibly cross dressing because it is vegas. you kn

good afternoon my name is mr mccarthy. and i am from is but public technical university. like to. express a big thanks for your visit to sell a gear. with a what you might mr putin it's an education for and of course we follow the developments that are happening around the world and some of the events are linked to ukraine. you met with president pershing can means and. also told us about. sending another humanitarian convoy and also. announced that they will continue their operations you. ask the militia to provide a humanitarian corridor or to avoid bloodshed there were also media reports about possible but tougher sanctions. russian servicemen were reportedly. on the territory of ukraine could you give us your words on the situation there what does the future developments in your view think. so let's start with our servicemen. i made a statement about that you know. ukrainian servicemen also found themselves in the russian territory and in a larger number of swans we had four hundred fifty servicemen than we had another sixty and another sixteen many of them with arens and some

mr. mccarthy and members in congress on how we move forward in iraq. but make no mistake that the decisions made in iraq in consultation with congress will be decided or guided by the views about the equities relating to american national security. view that the protection of american personnel in iraq is of paramount concern and there is a stated willingness on the part of the president to act militarily in support of a unified iraqi government and a marketable and integrated iraqi security force. as it relates to the presidents briefings, it is difficult for me to talk a lot of detail from your. -- from here. president did receive a lot of updates from his national security team yesterday, from the department of defense personnel -- maybe saw the photos put up by the warehouse -- by the white house -- >> what was in the last week or two that led the president to decide, after weeks and months of holding back on airstrikes, what was a specifically that decision in him the that, ok, we will have to move in this direction? or did this all happen yesterd

mr. mccarthy anti-new majority leader. in that op-ed he said, quote, i have always believed that you must win the argument before you can win the vote. in congress, committees act as idea factories for policies from both sides and as majority leader i will commit to the committee process and regular order. apparently he didn't start yesterday doing that. and we don't start today doing that. this legislation has not been considered by committee, subcommittee, or any of us have not seen it at this point in time. i heard the gentleman from oklahoma say, the legislation is going to do this, that, and the other. we haven't seen it. . it is 10:15. no exercising of responsibility. we saw irresponsibility rampant yesterday in the house of representatives. we saw a few months ago shutting down government if we don't do it my way. i will tell the american people, mr. speaker, none of the leaders of the republican party have reached across to say, how can we do this in a bipartisan way. and so because of their unwillingness to do tha

mr. mccarthy may have a difference of opinion about what our national security interests are in iraq. they are coordinating and consulting but make no mistake the decisions that are made in iraq in consultation with congress will be decided or guided by the president's views in the equities relating to the national security and it's our view again the protection of the personnel is a paramount concern and a stated willingness on the part of the president. it's the president's briefing and to talk and a lot of detailed the president did receive a number of updates from the members of the national security team over the course of the day yesterday. let's talk about last week or two to have led the president to decide after weeks and months of pulling back on th the airstriks what was it specifically that sort of triggered in him we are going to have to move in this direction there are three things i can cite for you probably not in the detail that you would like there's an additional detail that we can provide there are three things that come to mind. the reports that we were seeing out

mccarthy. >> mr. coffman, i am not aware of the exact delays. i would be happy to take it for the record and get back to before the hearing. i did ask if we could find a timeline for the price of the contract awards and what the delays were. i don't have that at this point but we will get back with you. >> mike coffman again. ms. landfried, according to a july 26, 2012 memo from the assistant secretary for information and technology, all va i.t. software is required to be compliant with section 508 a january 2013. is all va software compliant at this point in time? >> at this point in time it's not -- we've not achieved 100% conformance with the 508 standard. we have made significant progress since that time spent what percentage are you at right now? this is mike coffman again and what remind people to identify themselves for this hearing before they speak. what percentage are you at right now? >> this is pat sheehan. thank you. the percentage is difficult for me to address right now because the software that we are looking at, particularly on

mr. ac guarantee to the board of aquariums. president mccarthy. supervisor mar. commissioner clinch. commissioner suga sxhais sxhaish that motion carries unanimously and to read the oath of office >> the peanuts step forward for their oath of office please. clau (clapping.) no longer a nominee. so thank you su, very much. please repeat our own name after me.

mr. ac guarantee to the board of aquariums. president mccarthy. supervisor mar. commissioner clinch. commissioner suga sxhais sxhaish that motion carries unanimously and to read the oath of office >> the peanuts step forward for their oath of office please. clau (clapping.) no longer a nominee. so thank you su, very much. please repeat our own name after me. repeated >> (repeated.) that i will support and defend the san francisco public utilities commission constitution co constitution of the united states. >> (repeated.) the constitution of the state of california california. >> (repeated.) >> against all enemies foreign and domestic. >> (repeated.) >> that i will bear full a alliance to the constitution of the united states and to the - go ahead. >> (repeated.) and the constitution of the state of california. >> (repeated.) and that i take this obligation freely wouldn't mental hesitation or purpose of eval evaluation. >> (repeated.) 5:00 and that i wiwill faithful discharge the duties about which i am boo about to intenter. >> (repeated.) and . >> during such time as he hold the o

mr. is ralph a part -- to mccarthy from a magazine that has direct relevance to today's proceedings as a standard bearer for foreign policy and in contrast to those taunt -- tendencies i mention this with special humility as he was right when i was dead wrong it took too small experiences of afghanistan and iraq to me that old world talk out of me. >> he has written numerous other publications with modern age and even the wrong paul campaign. our other kaufman turd tim kearney from "the washington examiner" we are his speech is from business and government a visiting fellow at the american enterprise institute with the barriers to competition of american life. the author of the big rip-off. and obamanomics. those are two separate books [laughter] aunt shirley ralph nader needs no introduction in if a gatt revolving unnecessary jobs in washington then where would we be? so in the public career he has been an activist coalition builder in presidential candidate of thunder of the consumer protection and the overall a career that has made ralph nader one of the 100 most influential figures i

friend to everyone on this committee, the gentle lady from new york, representative mccarthy for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman, and thank you ranking member loebsack. just listening to, reading your testimony, but a few things bother me, especially on the foster children and also the children that are in the schools. my sister is a school nurse, and she does report an awful lot of things to social services. if it's not a high-level case, they can't take it and they just let it go. this is one of the biggest complaints that i hear from her when she knows something is going on. and, of course, the child does not open up. so i think that is something that we really need to look at, you know, because you're talking about social workers which we don't have enough of them. we don't have enough school nurses to be able to have, like -- everybody does go to her. the children. you wear that white uniform, that's safe. so i don't know how we're going to, you know, solve that problem, but the children with disabilities, you know, i'm sitting here -- they already got two strikes against them, especially those t

mccarthy. >> thank you, mr. chairman. chairman hochberg, i notice that we only get five minutes and then notice that you've always been writing something down. obviously, was there was somebody on this panel or, i understand that you in the back listening to the first panel. so i'm going to stop talking and any questions that you want to answer or things that you've heard that you want to give a rebuttal to, i'm giving you the opportunity to do that now. >> thank you very much. let me try and answer one or two questions we have. we look to make sure that any benefit, any export, the benefit to the u.s. economy outweighs any harm. that's referred to as economic impact. so if we are financing the export of an airplane, we want to make sure that the dollar amount used economy could outweigh any potential harm. we look at every transaction, not just aircraft to make sure we're complying. the last thing we want to do, the people at ex-im bank is refused the company -- is hurt the u.s. economy. the committee staff receives ever

mr. chairman. >> thank you, i appreciate it. congresswoman mccarthy recently visited my state and she was talking about the waters in her state and she made this statement about concerned farmers and others -- i want to make sure i say it right -- that the proposed rules and the concerns about the proposed rules are silly and ludicrous, which i will submit the concerns of farmers and small businesses and everybody out there are certainly not silly and ludicrous. i think a lot of these concerns may have been identified if the epa had complied with the rfa, and that is my basic question here today, is why the epa did not convene small business advocacy review panels. that's what it requires. they are formal panels, and you said in your statement that you had gotten input from the ag community. i'd like to know what that is. when you say small enemy outreach, what does that mean is this and why didn't you do what the epa does require? informal outreach is not small business review panels. >> i'm sorry. thank you. i'll get the hang of that in a second her

mr. healy, you recognize this individual. >> that's jenny mccarthy. >> and you know what product she's usinglu. >> and would you deny that this kind of promotion appeals to teenagers and children? >> i would deny that. >> you would? and even though she's a celebrity, even though she's in an obviously suggestive pose here, you would deny it has any appeal to teenagers and children? >> yes, i would deny that. >> would you say she is smoking in this promotion? >> she's vaping. >> vaping? so to go to the point that was made earlier, you don't see any confusion between smoking and vaping in this ad or any of your other promotion? >> of course there is some confusion, but in order to defeat tobacco and cigarettes, we have to appeal to smokers. >> let me show you another official document from your company, it's on your, i believe, on your web site, is it not? as part of what you have called the smoking, lorillard inc. smoking prevention program. you recognize it? >> no, i don't. i'm here to represent blu, not lorillard, so i'm not sure where that's from. >> it's your parent company? >> i don't eve

mccarthy. [applause] >> well, thank you so much for having me here today. i'm a great admirer of mrs. schlafly, and it's always great to be down at the heritage foundation, because a lot of times when i go around to talk particularly about national security -- as you might imagine -- it's usually a college setting. so this is more like a home game for me. [laughter] so it's great, it's great to be here. as you might imagine, i've gotten some flak over the book, and in particular over the subtitle of the book. the book is called "faithless execution," and the subtitle is "building the political case for obama's impeachment." so, naturally, the word everybody focuses on is "impeachment," and that's an explosive term in washington. in fact, i have a vignette that i describe in the book which involves a congressional hearing that happened here in washington probably about six months ago where you had this crazy juxtaposition of progressive law professors who were called as witnesses, and the hearing was about presidential lawlessness. and they're throwing the word "impeachment" around acr

mrs. doubtfire and many more. joining us now for a look back at his career that made us all smile and laugh is fox news contributor kevin mccarthyt mr. robin williams. he was one of the greatest actors of all time. he was one of the few actors in my opinion who mastered the art of comedy and drama. we could see him being so comedic in films like "mrs. doubtfire," but then see him in" dead poet society," he transcended all genres and not many actors are able to do that. for me, going back in his career, he was nominated for four academy awards. he won for "good will hunting." he was nominated for "fisher king." everything he did on screen was just as incredible as offscreen. all the work he did with the uso, he would travel to iraq and afghanistan and kuwait and he would entertain the troops. that, to me, i love the idea of a celebrity use -- him using his celebrity for good. people like gary sinise do the same thing. i found that wonderful he was that person off screen as he was on screen. for me, i had so many personal experiences with him. i had the honor of sitting down with him and chatting with him. but he was one of those

mr. pozen is active with the bank of england. there is adam pozen. this morning with me, ward mccarthy of jefferies.mist actually do when they affect policy? issue is, we are in an environment where the effectiveness of movement and interest rate is pretty much gone. what the central banks have started to resort to is the use of the balance sheet, and one of the concerns is the expansion of the balance sheet causes some financial instability. some of the more hawkish members of the fed are concerned that the combination of lower rates and expanding balance sheet is going to cause this. he is a pragmatic guide. how can janet yellen be both pragmatic with critics on both the hawkish and the dovish side? >> i think she is being pragmatic. she is dealing with the most important issue we are faced with, and that is, to get the economy back to normal and the labor market back to normal. she is concerned about the potential for financial instability, but over time we have learned that the financial markets have learned to live with this combination of low rates and expanding balance sheets. >> there is a h

mccarthy era. that's not 19th century congress. that's what you realize when you see a movie like lincoln.t yo or think about mr. smith goes t.ington, almost all of what we think we know about past , ao politics comes from movies.e and popular culture, and we absorb it so much, we think it', real. that's why it's so important to try to sort it out. i don't want to be one of thoset scholar squirrels that gore vidal used to make fun of, but g that's what i have been doing, f digging around in the script ant pointing out the small differences, but ultimately, do they matter.po as much as i think you're righti the lincoln movie will produce n good things, when we teach it, teachers need to be aware of ho it departs from what we know about the record. greg. how you need to wait for the microphone. for >> sorry, how does it skew in terms of younger audiences? it because my experience, which te could be -- which is only s? anecdotal, when i poll my question classes. many more have seen django and vampire hunter than lincoln.en they see lincoln as a movie for not even their parents, for d r their grandparents. that could be peculiari

mccarthy. that's on the republican side in the house of representatives. if we worked together a few weeks ago you would have said boehner and cantor but, you know, what happened to mr. cantor. he was defeated and one of the issues that his opponent used against them was that he supposedly was for amnesty. >> okay, but we look at the election, they only had 8% turnout to begin with. but let's look at mr. graham's election. lindsey graham won his election and is for immigration reform and he defeated all of his tea party opponents, okay? you are using that now but that's not a real issue. >> you don't think it's a real issue? >> i don't think so. what i want to say and if we want to get immigration reform, we've got to call on our corporate buddies to help us. i'm going to use this kind of a comparison. in arizona when the legislature passed a law that they were going to let public places discriminate against our friends, the gay community, all the corporations jumped in right away and sent to the governor, don't sign that bill. right? they jumped in the immediately. we love our gay community. i'm on the board in california, but hey, we are a lot more people. the lat