mr. mccarthy: i'll tell you who is not on the list. [indiscernible question] mr. mccarthy: the best thing

mr. mccarthy: it will be up to them. reporter: do you think you'll come out with a gavel? mr. mccarthy: no. reporter: what do you say for your colleagues voting for you? mr. mccarthy: they just did in there but i would have won the nomination but don't think it's right. we can move on. reporter: you probably would have had the nomination, are you the most important in the room? mr. mccarthy: those who want to run are doing the forum. reporter: how many people are running? mr. mccarthy: i think just two right now. reporter: will you do the closed door vote after the forum now? mr. mccarthy: they'll decide. we'll see. it's a process. i'm sure you'll all be informed. reporter: a handful of republican members are already back home. what message does that send to america? mr. mccarthy: stay at work. do your job. reporter: are you worried about the attendance problem? mr. mccarthy: i get worried about it because we have a small majority. you see how eight can partner with all the democrats and create so much chaos. if you have eight members led by gaetz who doesn't want to pay the tr

remove mr mccarthy.ther to remove mr mccarthy.— change peoples minds about whether to remove mr mccarthy. matt gaetz on his feet in that — to remove mr mccarthy. matt gaetz on his feet in that box _ to remove mr mccarthy. matt gaetz on his feet in that box alongside - his feet in that box alongside barbara currently talking on the house floor. let's talk about democrats because it was a meeting this morning for the democratic caucus, they have to decide whether they were going to support kevin mccarthy. decision was taken not to do that. is it still possible as this all plays out that they are able to extract something from the republicans, thinking particularly about ukraine funding? yes. there was speculation _ about ukraine funding? yes. there was speculation that _ about ukraine funding? yes. there was speculation that they - about ukraine funding? yes. there was speculation that they might i was speculation that they might support mr mccarthy because he had promised to put forward a bill for ukraine

mr. mccarthy. christian: mr. gaetz in that box currently talking on the house floor. s talk about democrats. there was a meeting this morning for the democratic caucus. they have to decide whether they will support kevin mccarthy. the decision was taken not to do that. is it still possible that they are able to extract something from the republicans, thinking particularly about crane funding? -- ukraine funding? barbara: there was some speculation that they might support mr. mccarthy because they had promised -- there was speculation he had promised to put forward a bill for ukraine funding. when there is this conflict over a shutdown, money for ukraine was taken out and passed separately. it is important to democrats to get money for ukraine. mr. mccarthy said he would deal with that separately. never say never, but what came through in the discussions before the bus was that democrats do not trust him because of his performance over the past months since he was elected. for example, he agreed to a debt ceiling agreement, managed to work with some republicans and with

mr. mccarthy.st became speaker of the house in january after 15 rounds of voting and many concessions granted to his fellow republicans. representative patrick mchenry will now serve as speaker pro tem until an election can be held. his first act was to put th house into recess so the parties could figure out what's next. joining us now is the co-author of "the washington post" 202 newsletter and coanchor of "washington post live." this is a historic moment. just before 5:00 p.m. eastern, the house voted to remove the speaker. how significant is what happened today? >> my gosh, it is so significant that it's never happened before. it has been 113 years since there's ever been a vote like this for. so, never have we gone through this. if we are really in unprecedented territory, and i know that word gets thrown out a lot, but in fact, it is the case that people who are steeped in rules and regulation and policy of the house of representatives have nothing to refer to. this is a really critical momen

the vast majority of the republicans have backed mr mccarthy and would probably back a move to try andagain if he is ousted this time, but it does show that the republican party in the house is split. republican party in the house is slit. ., republican party in the house is slit, ., republican party in the house is slit. ., ., split. indeed, we are looking at that tally now, _ split. indeed, we are looking at that tally now, another - split. indeed, we are looking at that tally now, another ten - split. indeed, we are looking at - that tally now, another ten minutes left of voting on that counter motion, as you said, barbara, to try and throw out the challenge to the republican speaker to oust kevin mccarthy. we will come to that developing story once that vote has concluded. the government of pakistan has said that all illegal immigrants must leave the country by the end of the month or face expulsion. the deadline has caused alarm among foreign residents, including an estimated 1.7 million afghan nationals. interior minister sarfrez bugti also said that properties and businesses own

mr. mccarthy. mr. mccarthy: mr. speaker, i rise to nominate jim jordan for the speaker of the house. i've listened to the speeches this week and i can already tell you what my friends on the other side will say using their poll tested phrased. but let me correct the record. jim jordan is an effective legislator. to legislate is about more than the name on the bill. it's about reaching compromise and working long hours behind the scenes. to get the job done. the speaker pro tempore: the house will come to order. the gentleman may resume. mr. mccarthy: where you are chairman of the committee you are responsible for dozens of bills passing the house and being signed into law. so let me tell you a few facts that don't come out in the polls. as leader of the judiciary committee, jim has passed more bills through the house in just three years than the entire democrat leadership team that has their collective 28 years in congress. mr. aguilar has a whopping one whole bill signed into law. a post office in san bernardino. i guess that's good enough to be caucus chair. jim jordan, on the othe

mr. mccarthy: no. reporter: what do you say to -- mr. : what they just did in there, i probably would have won the nomination. reporter: do you think you still have the most power in the room? mr. mccarthy: i don't know. they're just doing, t

mr. mccarthy: unfortunately jim is no longer going to be the nominee. we have to go back to the drawing board. what history will look at, the crazy eights led by gaetz and the damage it has done to this country is insurmountable. i have never seen this damage from a few people from their own personalities and it's astonishing to me. and we are in a bad position for the party, one that america has entrusted us that a simple eight people have put us in this place. reporter: what is going to happen next? what names do you expect to be on the candidate forum list? mr. mccarthy: i don't know. this is talking about the third in line to the presidency. and the furthest step someone takes is to the front row of the podium. people who put their name in might not have the knowledge. i hope we have other people up for the job. i am concerned about where we go from here. >> will you put your name in again? >> any comments for the full camera? >> this is unprecedented times and continues to show how terribly irresponsible for 208 democrats and eight republicans. the

did. face an ouster vote like mr mccarthy did-— face an ouster vote like mr mccarthy did.mccarthy did. there will be a newspeak of _ mccarthy did. there will be a newspeak of the _ mccarthy did. there will be a newspeak of the house, - mccarthy did. there will be a - newspeak of the house, whoever it is, it seems there is no apparent change the polarised politics. , democratic leaders been asked to vacate their offices? ., �* , been asked to vacate their offices? . �* , ., ., offices? that's right, two of the names _ offices? that's right, two of the names are _ offices? that's right, two of the names are mentioned, l the names are mentioned, currently in contention for becoming speaker, steve scalise, from louisiana, as well asjim jordan scalise, from louisiana, as well as jim jordan of scalise, from louisiana, as well asjim jordan of ohio, well as jim jordan of ohio, these well asjim jordan of ohio, these are both very conservative man. i think most people temperamentally they are more politically conservative than mr mccarthy was so i do not think anyone should really e

mr. mccarthy.o not think anyone should expect a change in tone with a new speaker when it comes to how the republican conference operates. caitriona: what will this mean for aid to ukraine? that extra $24 billion that the president asked for, it was removed in order to getting blown. -- in order to get a deal. >> that is because republicans hear from their voters that many, particularly in very conservative districts, our hearing that voters do not want to see more american money sent to ukraine. it is hard for us to see a new speaker of the house wanting to put some for -- some sort of bill for aid to ukraine on the floor for a vote. several conservative lawmakers were warming speaker mccarthy or whoever would become speaker that that was not a move they should take. you see a lot of republican and democratic lawmakers at the q are quite worried -- at the capital who are quite worried about aid for ukraine. caitriona: thanks for joining us. the largest nonprofit health care system in the u.s. is e

mr. mccarthy. mr. mccarthy: mr. speaker, i rise to nominate jim jordan for the speaker of the house. i've listened to the speeches this week and i can already tell you what my friends on the other side will say using their poll tested phrased. but let me correct the record. jim jordan is an effective legislator. to legislate is about more than the name on the bill. it's about reaching compromise and working long hours behind the scenes. to get the job done. the speaker pro tempore: the house will come to order. the gentleman may resume. mr. mccarthy: where you are chairman of the committee you are responsible for dozens of bills passing the house and being signed into law. so let me tell you a few facts that don't come out in the polls. as leader of the judiciary committee, jim has passed more bills through the house in just three years than the entire democrat leadership team that has their collective 28 years in congress. mr. aguilar has a whopping one whole bill signed into law. a post office in san bernardino. i guess that's good enough to be caucus chair. jim jordan, on the othe

mccarthy. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from florida. mr. gaetz: the opening line of my colleague's speech was that speaker mccarthy always overperforms expectations but after tweeting "bring it" and after engaging in profane-laced tirades at house conference, he just lost a motion to table. so i wouldn't necessarily consider that overperforming expectations. time and again i've heard my colleagues say, he deserves it because he went through a tough speaker contest. let me let everyone know, he prevailed in ha speaker contest because he made an agreement to fulfill certain commitments to make this an open and honest process and he has failed to meet those commitments and that's why we are here. i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves his time they feel gentleman from oklahoma, mr. cole. mr. cole: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield three minutes to my good friend, mr. jordan of ohio. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for three minutes. mr. jordan: i thank the gentleman for yielding. on january 3-rbg we said t

it's a very angry statements in support of mr mccarthy put up on speaker said this is all about dramaesting that matt gaetz was grandstanding. and when one of mr mark caties ally said he was proud of mr mccarthy for moving to avoid a government shutdown he got a standing ovation from quite a few republicans. it's quite clear where loyalties lie. there are such narrow numbers, the majority is so narrow it can take just a few republicans to take down mr mccarthy. they have started voting now on exactly that. on whether to remove him from the post of speaker. it is in alphabetical roll call so everybody has to put their name publicly on the line. don't go anywhere. we will come to you for the result of that. we will come to you for the result of that. live now to political reporter for the washington post — leigh ann caldwell. the psychodrama continues tonight. what is this doing to the republican caucus? . �* , . what is this doing to the republican caucus? ., �*, ., ., what is this doing to the republican caucus? . �* , . . what is this doing to the republican caucus? . h . . ., . cauc

mr. speaker. i rise in support of kevin mccarthy. in his leadership in a small five-seat majority, house republicans have achieved numerous victories contrary to belief. we passed the parent's bill of rights, the lower cost energy act and restore emergency energy independence. the fiscal responsibility act, which was one of the largest cuts with enforceable spending caps in american history. and hr 2, the most conservative southern border security bill his -- in history all of this while fully funding our military and our nation's veterans. let me be abundantly clear. attempting to remove speaker mccarthy will put this house in a stalemate. paralyze our ability to fight for our constituents. instead, create a fight amongst one another. we have 43 days to restore fiscal responsibility and advance conservative appropriations priorities. which is exactly what my colleagues have asked for. instead, we are threatening any house proceedings. this is an unnecessary distraction. working together under the leadership of speaker mccarthy is of

mccarthy. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from florida. mr. gaetz: the opening line of my colleague's speech was that speaker mccarthy always overperforms expectations but after tweeting "bring it" and after engaging in profane-laced tirades at house conference, he just lost a motion to table. so i wouldn't necessarily consider that overperforming expectations. time and again i've heard my colleagues say, he deserves it because he went through a tough speaker contest. let me let everyone know, he prevailed in ha speaker contest because he made an agreement to fulfill certain commitments to make this an open and honest process and he has failed to meet those commitments and that's why we are here. i reserve. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman reserves his time they feel gentleman from oklahoma, mr. cole. mr. cole: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield three minutes to my good friend, mr. jordan of ohio. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for three minutes. mr. jordan: i thank the gentleman for yielding. on january 3-rbg we said t

democrats who have been speaking publicly about this a been pretty clear that they do not trust mr mccarthy that he made earlier in the year with the democrats and they feel he is not able to govern in the house is been lurching from crisis to crisis and he is given into the right wing. one of them say he this is a republican problem and the swallow on the pigsty of their incompetence and thatis pigsty of their incompetence and that is the view from the democrats side and of mr mccarthy does lose the vote, then everything stops and they have to start procedures to elect a new speaker of the house and they will have to keep doing that and find someone to put forward and keep voting on it into the get someone because the business of the house cannot go forward without the speaker. {jut house cannot go forward without the seaker. ., .,, house cannot go forward without the seaker. ., , ., ~ , . ~ house cannot go forward without the seaker. ., .,~ , ., speaker. out almost take us back to where this all— speaker. out almost take us back to where this all started _ speaker. out almost take us back

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mr. mccarthy or motivated by personal animus. nothing to do with public good. be. now let's bring in our panel guy benson political editor of town hall.com. hugh hewitt and meridith mcgraw, national political correspondent for politico. meredith, a busy weekend, obviously it was a hustle to figure out continued threat of motion to vacate, where do you think it stands on capitol hill. more importantly, where do democrats come down if they have to vote for mccarthy? >> i think that is the big question is where democrats are going to stand with this. are they going to throw a life jacket to mccarthy should this motion to vacate come to the floor? are they going to try to get any sort of confessions for mccarthy for all of this? and hanging over it all is the need for bipartisan support to pass these appropriations bills, i mean, we are reaching another deadline in the next month. >> bret: fiscal cliff after fiscal cliff and they punted the ball another month, essentially. what about mccarthy's chances in the votes are slim. >> i think they're good. i'm smiling bec

i think most people would say temperamentally they are more politically conservative than mr mccarthynk anyone should really expect to see a change in tone with a new speaker when it comes to how the republican conference in the house of representatives operates. what is this going to mean for the aid to ukraine, the extra $24 billion that the president has asked for? we saw it had to be removed in order to get a deal at the weekend. that's right and it was removed because of that vote for house republicans, they see it as politically toxic. they hear from their voters when they go back home to their districts that many of them, particularly in very conservative, very right districts, are hearing that their voters do not want to see more american money sent to help ukraine fend off the russian invasion. and so it is hard to see a new speaker of the house wanting to put some sort of bill sending aid to ukraine on the house floor for a vote, in fact, several hard—line conservative lawmakers in the past few days were warning either speaker mccarthy at the time or whoever was going to bec

but mr mccarthy went on tv on sunday to say he's not going anywhere. he says he is coming for you. survive? yes, i'll survive. this is personal with matt. matt voted against the most conservative ability to protect our border, secure our border. he's more interested in securing tv interviews than doing something. he wanted to push us into a shutdown, even threatening his own district with all the military people there who would not be paid, only because he wants to take this motion. so be it. bring it on. let's get over with it and let's start governing. live now to washington where we'rejoined by laura blessing, senior fellow at georgetown university's government affairs institute. joining us live from washington. hello to you, laura. it sounds like chaos, looking at this from the out side. , . ' , looking at this from the out side. , ., , , ., ., side. his awfully volatile. it is not exactly _ side. his awfully volatile. it is not exactly the _ side. his awfully volatile. it is not exactly the sort - side. his awfully volatile. it is not exactly the sort of. is not exactly the so

mr. mccarthy's debt limit deal. here is the reality, the only republicans in america who believe that the debt limit deal was conservative are in this chamber right now because all over america, republicans think that when you negotiated that debt limit deal, they took your lunch money. i reserve. >> the gentleman reserves his time. gentleman from oklahoma, mr. cole. >> thank you very much, mr. speaker. i yield 1:30 to my good friend from my home state, gentlelady ms. vice. >> ms. vice is recognized for 1:30. >> thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today in support of speaker mccarthy. under his leadership and a very small five-seat majority, house republicans have achieved, contrary to popular belief, numerous victories. we passed the parents bill of rights, the lower energy cost act to lower the cost of gasoline and restore american energy independence. with enforceable spending caps and hr 2, the most conservative southern border bill in history, all of this while fully funding our military and our nation's veterans. l

mr. mccarthy, from an effort to vacate the chair. and in the course of that speech, i made the rehashing that those who did this, whether intentionally or unintentionally were going to put the congress in a state of chaos and the country into a state of uncertainty. i think the last two weeks have vindicated that observation. i think the decision in front of us is tar too important for name-calling or anything else. i'm very proud to place in the nomination the name of our good friend, republican candidate for speaker, the honorable jim jordan of ohio. knowing jim jordan for a long time. i have had the privilege of knowing jim jordan a long time. i've been in conga long time. for his entire period in the house, i had the honor of serving with my friend. my friend is not exactly a shrinking violette. you don't win the national championships in college, you don't come to this floor with a sincere set of beliefs and desire to make a change and be shy about it. and my friend is not a shy person. i've learned some things about him over th

mr. mccarthy, mr. donalds, mr. hern, mr. bergman, washington, mrs. rogers -- >> john: just doing business in the house now officially appoint mike johnson as speaker of the house, the escort committee and the ceremony for that. let us jump to the rose garden of the white house where the president is holding a press conference with australia's prime minister. let's listen in. >> saudi arabia about making sure there is real hope in the region for a better future. about the need, i mean this sincerely, about the need to work toward a greater integration for israel while insisting that the aspirations of the palestinian people will be part, will be part of that future as well. i'm convinced one of the reasons hamas attacked when they did, i have no proof of this, instinct tells me, because of the progress toward reintegration for israel and overall. and we can't leave that work behind and one more word on this. i continue to be alarmed about extremist settlers attacking palestinians in the west bank that pouring gasoline on fire what it's like. this was

but only a handful of hardline republicans have indicated they are willing to remove mr mccarthy.ing up the measure for a vote, though procedural tools could be used to thwart the process. and staying with us politics, former president donald trump is due to return to court in new york for the second day of a fraud trial that could threaten his business empire. mr trump and his company are accused of committing rampant fraud by inflating the value of his real estate empire. mr trump, who has denied all wrong doing, was on the defensive even before the trial began. our north america correspondent, nada tawfik, is in new york and explains what the case concerns and what its possible ramifactions are. since he faces four criminal trials and the threat ofjail, a civilfraud case might seem like the least of donald trump's problems, but this case could turn out to be a corporate death sentence for parts of the real estate empire that the former president built his brand around. the trial here will determine whether he has to pay $250 million in fines and potentially other penalties. and

mr. mccarthy from an effort to vacate the chair. in the course of that speech i made the remark that those who did this, whether intentionally or unintentionally, were going to put the congress in a state of chaos. and the country into a state of uncertainty. i think the last two weeks have indicated that idea. we have the chance today to and that chaos and and that uncertainty. when these races happen, there is always a lot of hard things set on both sides of the aisle. there are -- is a lot of figure pointing that goes on. i don't intend to be involved in any of that today. i think that the decision in front of us is far, far too important for that. i am very proud, very proud to place a nomination in the name of our good friend, my good friend, our republican candidate for speaker, the honorable jim jordan of ohio. [applause] i have had the privilege of knowing jim jordan for a long time. i have been in congress for a long time. for his entire time in the house i have had the honor of serving with my friend. now, my friend is not

i know is mr. mccarthy? yeah, i'm good. the ultra right ultra conservative but waiting for his republican party over the weekend. and he worked with democrats to pass a stop. got funding measure to the government shut down the hall by lawmakers when led by this because my rifle not engaged to file the resolution to oust continued resolution. an omnibus is a state to washington dc. then when joe not bureau chief in his po, welcome, that is just what does this old me now? oh, so maybe this will just take a moment here for the 1st time in the history of the united states for the 1st time since the founding of this country and $7.00 to $7.00 to $6.00, the house of representatives is empty. the dollars so that speaker, i think this is a moment to reflect because it shows how big the influence of the hard line republicans really is right now. and that they really refused to fight solutions by the way until the funds to one sped spread disruptions. and that's definitely what they did a this afternoon here, this early evening here

mccarthy. with that, i reserve the balance of my time. >> gentleman from florida. >> mr. speaker, my friend from oklahoma says my colleagues and i who don't support kevin mccarthy would plunge the house and the country into chaos. chaos is speaker mccarthy. chaos is somebody who we cannot trust with their word. the one thing that the white house, house democrats, and many of us on the conservative side of the republican caucus would argue the thing we have in common, kevin mccarthy said something to one of us at one point or another that he didn't mean and didn't intend to live up to. i don't think voting against mccarthy is chaos. i think 33 trillion in debt is chaos. i think that facing a $2.2 trillion annual deficit is chaos. i think not passing single subject spending bills is chaos. i think the fact we have been governed in this country since the mid '90s and omnibus is kay yot and the way to liberate ourselves from that is a series of reforms from this body that would outlast his time here, my time here and either of our majorities. reforms that i have heard some of

mr. mccarthy said nice things about him. has he conveyed that to you? >> without getting too much into my private conversations with president trump, that was not a sentiment shared with me. >> people are talking about your motion to vacate as raising your profile ahead of the gubernatorial race. what do you have in response to that? >> i have no plans to run for senator. i would not serve in the senate if i was the last floridian. if i want to go to a retirement committee, i would go to the villages, not the senate. i would probably have less negative views about the governorship than the senate because tallahassee is much more wonderful than washington. >> [indiscernible] >> it is something i have thought about a lot because in a way, kevin mccarthy is the product of a corrupt system that rewards people who collect large sums of special interest money and redistribute that money in exchange for political favors. and i have prayed and hoped that someone emerges out of this historic process of who has greater vision and greater clarity and greater crest

now, mccarthy made a series of concessions to gain support from hardline republicans to become house speaker after a historic 14 rounds of votes in january. mrs mccarthy is in breach of his agreement. he made that commitment, he broke it, and if at this time next week kevin mccarthy is still speaker of the house, it will be because the democrats bailed him out, and he can be their speaker, not mine. you don't have the votes to remove him, so... by the way, i don't know until we have them, and, by the way, i might not have them the first time, but i might have them before the 15th ballot — that's the number of ballots kevin mccarthy needs. so you're going to do this every day like you suggested? you're going to go through this process of voting over and over and over again? i am relentless. for his part, mr mccarthy said sunday he's not going anywhere. he says he is coming for you. can you survive? yes, i'll survive. this is personal with matt. matt voted against the most conservative ability to protect our border, secure our border. he's more interested in securing tv interviews than doing something. he wanted to push us into a shutdown, eve

mccarthy made a series of concessions to gain support from hardline republicans to become house speaker after an historic 14 rounds of votes in january. mrtz says mccarthy is in breach of his agreement. he made that commitment, he broke it, and if at this time next week, kevin mccarthy is still speaker of the house, it will be because the democrats held him out and he could be the speaker, not mine. you have the speaker, not mine. you have the votes — the speaker, not mine. you have the votes to _ the speaker, not mine. you have the votes to remove _ the speaker, not mine. you have the votes to remove him. - the speaker, not mine. you have the votes to remove him. eitherl the votes to remove him. either wa , i the votes to remove him. either way. i don't _ the votes to remove him. either way, i don't know— the votes to remove him. either way, i don't know until - the votes to remove him. either way, i don't know until we - the votes to remove him. either way, i don't know until we have| way, i don't know until we have them and it will happen the first time but it might happen before the 15th ballot, the number of ballots for kevin mccart

mr. mccarthy put himself in that position. the new people that were elected, he swore the men when he took the gavel. he made them officially members of congress but they were not members of congress. until he swore the men, they did not go through the normal methodology of being sworn in and officially made members of congress when the whole vote took place. it is confusing to me how this went through. they were not members. they did not have a badge, they did not take pictures, they were not sworn in devoted. host: we got it. we go to new haven, connecticut, a democratic caller. caller: good morning. we are speaking about the war in israel. host: what are your thoughts on that? caller: when the lady said just a few -- the lady who called and i agree with her. there are american jewish people who disagree with netanyahu. they told jewish people who live in israel to come home. they did not havethey took the d and that is wrong. netanyahu is in some legal trouble two. -- too. i think they should get along and they won't do it

mr. mccarthy. mr. mccarthy failed for a number of reasons. he was a traitor to the truth. he could not tell the truth. he did it in a more pleasant way, i would say, and mr. jordan. he was a danger to our institution of the house. you saw that in what he gave away and what his crazy ruled that a single member could call the question to vacate the chair and obviously did that. first time in history. but ultimately he was a danger to our democracy. mr. jordan is the same exact thing in a different persona, less the suit coat and in and out running in and out. he has the same problem. he lacks credibility. he doesn't know or speak the truth. so he will never lead us. and i don't believe he will garner, even if he goes 15 or 16 votes, i don't believe he will garner the votes to become speaker. >> ultimately, and this is a point that we have returned to again and again, but it's worth repeating. i've talked to other members of your conference. there's a structural problem here. first of all, legislative business has to be done in 45 days and there is no consensus within their c

mr. mccarthy but there were 200 plus democrats who also did that. they have helped more than anybody else to -- continue the confusion that has taken place in the house of representatives. the question is, do you see mr. johnson by any chance trying to address the growing national debt? thank you very much. have a nice day. host: before you answer the question, have republicans ever crossed out a vote for a democratic nominee of the speaker of the house? guest: they did not cross the aisle for hakeem jeffries to his nomination for speaker. host: is this traditionally a party-line vote? guest: it is traditionally a party-line vote. it is something that is seen as one of those lines i generally do not. to the point that the caller asked about the national debt, johnson is a fiscal conservative. he is someone who has drawn the support of those hard right members who have made it very clear that they want to see the national debt addressed. we could see -- expecting to make that a serious priority under his role as speaker. he said his plan to bring for

mr. mccarthy agreed that any member can vacate. no individual member is entitled to or ever going to find a leader that matches their views. more there if you want to read in the "wall street journal" wsj. com. this is from susan in california, republican line. caller: thank you for my call. you have been so respectful of all the callers. i'm a republican and # 2 years old and voted republican all my life. i am now going to be an independent because of all the infighting in congress. it's embarrassing and not doing america's will. and i thank you for listening. host: reporter adding to the mix of tweets coming from reporters. that representative dan crenshaw worried that the designee and socializing to change the rules on the floor to require a plural atlanta versus a majority. caller: they want to be able to speak for both parties and the people of the united states. when i hear that jordan are wanting jordan in there, he is basically wanting to shut down the government and unfair and i'm thinking that all the democrats want to do