mr. mccarty. were you here for the first panel in which mr. renacci asked about internal controls, specifically random inspections, multiple bids and taking the lowest bid? >> yes, sir, i was. >> has your organization as inspector general ever rended these -- recommended these steps to hud for the home program? >> i'm certain we have to our audits, yes, sir. >> so to follow up on the gentleman's questions from montana, while you've recommended them, they have not been adopted, is that correct? >> i'm not certain i could answer that right now, sir. >> sure appears they vice president been adopted -- >> at the subgrantee level. >> at the subgrantee level. >> next another question for mr. mccarty about the information systems because you brought up those in your testimony a bit. um, so the way the information system works today is grantees and subgrantees can go in and change numbers at any point in the system so it's really hard a for the computer system to have a reconcilable audit trail that you can use in your investigations, is that correct?

mr. john mccarty, office of the inspector general, department of housing and urban develop. mr. kenneth donohue, former inspector general department of housing and urban development, and mr. james beaudette; is that correct? good. deputy director department enforcement center, department of housing and urban development, and mr. ethan handelman, vice president for policy and advocacy national conference. thank you for you patience having had a vote and then quite a long questioning period for the first panel. without objection, your written statements will be part of the record, and you're now each recognized for a five minute summary of your testimony starting with mr. mccarty who is recognized for five minutes. >> thank you. good afternoon chairman, chairwoman, ranking members, and members of the subcommittees. i'm john mccarty, acting deputy inspector general for the department of housing and i thank you for the opportunity to discuss our investigations -- >> could you pull that just a little bit closer to you? thank you. >> my testimony and work builds upon prior testimony i

mr. mccarty, you're talking about not knowing what is out there is what is troubling. that was your quote. i think on page four of your testimony you go into some of those problems. mr. beaudette, you said after my friend stivers had run through of a fortune suggestion she thought the suggestions were in place. i don't want to put words in anybody's mouth, mr. mccarty, your look on your face at the point gave me an and that contradict that. i would like him to want to take a moment? >> not going to to great detail from my position, that our assistant inspector general testified before the june committee hearing. spoke very well to that. our audit work 60 plus office that we have done. and the number of systemic problems within the controls, the monitoring, the oversight of the home program. >> okay. hud is not perfect as our colleague from texas has less. that would not be the case, i think, based on the context of what happened in the first panel, whether it was him our friend from illinois. they defended the internal systems of hud. they defend the actions have gone o