mr. mcculley. i apologize. thank you, mr. mcculley. questions for commissioners? >> i'm sorry, i can't help myself. it's awkward being the only one asking questions. thank you for the presentation, devon. just -- it looks like you've got 39 positions that you sort of have attrition savings basically, so is owe on does that work as an assumed vacancy rate for, like, you defund those positions because you're assuming it's like four to five percent, i think, off the top of my head, so it's -- you're kind of assuming at any given time that many positions are vacant. is that the thinking behind it? >> commissioner, that's a great question. yes, so in every year, there is going to be assumed level of staff vacancies and this will be due to delays in hiring or possible retirements or staff taking other city employment so there's an expected level of attrition that would be more typical, so that level of -- that attrition is to account for that. >> thank you. i was noticing it's significantly lower than the actual vacancy rate and i think that's kind of interesting dynami