. >> is there a mr. mcgoo connection? >> my dad started out working for walt disney and he worked on some of the disney films, actually. >> yeah. >> and then he and a bunch of other people at disney became disenchanted with the traditions there and they left, striked, and they formed upa, eventually, and mr. mcgoo is kind of the first big character to come out of that. >> incredible -- i know they were just recently -- there was a big celebration of their lives and work. >> there is a program -- >> yeah. this year is my dad's scene 10 yell, so -- scene 10 knee el, so there's actually a touring show from their show. >> you come from a very creative family. you, ira, were a rock critic. you worked for some news press. >> the soho news. >> and you're a rocker. there was a lot of people definition of a rocker well, i can do that dead. that wasn't necessarily the case in your situation? >> no. is that what people -- >> i think people who do criticism are often thought to be frustrated artists themselves. >> right. well, i woul