mr. mcnamee ever told me -- mr. mcnamee never told me about mr. pettit using hgh. every time something came up, a conversation with jim merry, brian mcnamee said, i am trying to warn you, but do not tell roger. i have no idea. all i am telling you is that andy pettitte thought that i'd had usedhgh. -- i had used hgh. our relationship was such that -- >> i understand that. i am trying d.c. where to strike the balance. -- i am trying to find where to strike the balance. i am trying to figure out which side to believe. i have to tell you, one of the most interesting things -- and mr. mcnamee said it and it has been borne out in the depositions -- is that, when mcnamee gave testimony about notbloc and pettitte, those allegations bore out to be true. for some reason, your guy, who you admire, who you think is one of the greatest guys and honest guys and everybody says he is a religious guy when it comes to you, it is a whole other thing. do you see what i'm saying? you say that mr. mcnamee lied about you, but he did not lie about the other two. how do you explain that? >

mr. mcnamee called mr. clemons' representatives and told them about the report. mr. mcnamee also allowed mr. clemons' investigators to interview him at length about the evidence in the metra report before the release of the report. we know -- in the mitchell report before the release of the report. we know these things happen because they were secretly injured -- secretly taped in the interview. during his deposition, mr. padgett told the committee that in 1999 or 2000, mr. clemons " told me he had taken hgh." during his deposition, mr. pettit was asked about whether he had any doubt about that recollection and he said, "i mean, no, he told me that." mr. clemons said this conversation never took place. mr. pettit also said he had a second conversation with mr. clemons about hgh in 2005. this conversation took place after the conversations hearings on baseball and mr. pettit as mr. clemons what he would say about the use of hgh if asked. according to mr. pettit, mr. clemons said, i never told you that. i told you that daddy used hgh. debbie klum -- that debbie used hgh