mr. mcshane. which you see that as recently as december 2010, they ask you about that relationship, despite the fact it had ended some months earlier, i understand it. what's your view? was that appropriate? >> i think it, it depends entirely on the context, and it seems to me that there was a difference between somebody who's in the public eye like a politician, say, who makes, you know, what i would call traditional family values a part of his or her political platform. if somebody is saying, you know, the sanctity of marriage is very important and people shouldn't have, you know, cohabitational relationships or anything like that and they then kind of pose with their family in their election literature and so on, then i think maybe that's a different situation. but the point is that neither dennis nor i ever kind of quartered the press and invited them into our lives. and quite the opposite. and even of the occasions -- each of the occasions, and this had gone on at a low level for about 20 yea