mr. meadows: mr. chairman, i ask that her words, referring to an individual member of this body be taken down and stricken from the record. i'm sure she didn't issue tend to do this. if anyone knows my record as it relates, it should be you, mr. chairman. >> i want the words read back. mr. cummings: would you like to phrase that statement, ms. tlaib. ms. tlaib: just because a black person working for them doesn't mean they aren't racist and it is incensetive that they would say it and use a black woman as a prop to prove it otherwise and i can submit it for the record if a colleague. i'm just saying what i believe has happened. as a person of color. i wanted to express that, but i'm not calling the gentleman, mr. meadows, a racist for doing so. i'm saying that in itself, it is a racist act. mr. meadows: i need to be clear on this. mr. cummings: mr. meadows, wait a minute. mr. meadows: i defended you. mr. cummings: mr. meadows, i'm the chair. mr. meadows: yes, sir, you are. mr. cummings: i will clear t

mr. meadows, each will control 20 minutes. the chair will now recognize the gentlewoman from california. ms. hill: thank you, mr. speaker. i yield myself such time as i may consume. i want to thank chairman cummings and representative meadows for sponsoring this legislation. former representative john duncan of tennessee first sponsored a bill to improve presidential libraries 19 years ago. a bill identical to the one before us passed the house in the last congress with bipartisan support. i hope we now can finally get this important reform enacted. the presidential library donation reform act would make the process for building presidential libraries more transparent. presidential libraries have become increasingly expensive, as they have evolved into multipurpose centers. the cost for building a presidential library must come from private funding and modern libraries cost millions, in some cases hundreds of millions, of dollars to build. the george w. bush presidential center, folks, cost an estimated $250 million to build, a

mr. meadows. >> mr. chairman, there is nothing more personal to me than my relationship -- my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. and to indicate that i asked someone who is a personal friend of the trump family who has worked for him, who knows this particular individual that she's coming in to be a prop, it's racist to suggest that i ask her to come in here for that reason. the president's own person, she's a family member, she loves this family, she came in because she felt like the president of the united states was getting falsely accused. mr. chairman, you and i have a personal relationship that's not based on color and to even go down this direction is wrong, mr. chairman. >> first of all, i want to thank the gentleman for what you have stated. if there's anyone who is sensitive with regard to race, it's me. son of former share croppers that were basically slaves. so i get it. i listened very carefully to ms. tlaib and i think -- and i do

mr. meadows: do you support it? mr. mehrbani: yes. mr. meadows: here's the interesting fact that i just find just fascinating. a democrat bill, h.r. 1, would actually use taxpayer dollars to re-elect the freedom caucus chairman. i would -- under their bill i would get almost $4 million of taxpayer dollars, and i would say i don't see any of my constituents in the audience here. i can't imagine they would be happy with taxpayer dollars being used to re-elect a freedom caucus chairman. do you not see a problem when we use taxpayer dollars to re-elect individual congress? mr. mehrbani: if i may -- mr. meadows: would you support me financially? mr. mehrbani: i would support my spending the equivalent that h.r. 1 would require, which i think is $1 per citizen every year over 10 years. mr. meadows: it's a matching deal. we have done the math. it's $3.8 million that i would get because i'm one of the top 10 in terms of small dollar donations in congress, i would get $3.8 million upped this bill for re-election. i cannot find anyone who holds gove

mr. meadows. >> mr.chairman, there is nothing more personal to me than my relationship -- my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. and to indicate that i asked someone who is a personal friend of the trump family who has worked for him, who knows this particular individual that she's coming in to be a prop, it's racist to suggest that i ask her to come in here for that reason. the president's own person, she's a family member, she loves this family, she came in because she felt like the president of the united states was getting falsely accused. mr. chairman, you and i have a personal relationship that's not based on color and to even go down this direction is wrong, mr. chairman. >> first of all, i want to thank the gentleman for what you have stated. if there's anyone who is sensitive with regard to race, it's me. son of former share croppers that were basically slaves. so i get it. i listened very carefully to ms. tlaib and i think -- and i don

mr. meadows. >> mr. chairman. there's nothing more personal to me than my relationship -- my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. and to indicate that i asked someone, someone in the trump family, who was work for him and knows this individual, that she is coming into be a prop, it is racist to suggest that i ask her to come in here for that reason. the president's own person, she loves this family, she came in because she felt like the president of the united states was getting falsely accused. mr. chairman, you and i have a personal relationship that's not based on color. and to even go down this direction is wrong, mr. chairman. >> first of all, i want to think the gentleman for what you have stated. if there's anyone who is sensitive with regard to race, it's me. a son of former sharecroppers that were basically slaves. so i get it. i listened very carefully to ms. tlaib, and i think -- and i'm not going to put words in her mouth. but i think she said

mr. meadows. >> mr.chairman, there is nothing more personal to me than my relationship -- my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. and to indicate that i asked someone who is a personal friend of the trump family who has worked for him, who knows this particular individual that she's coming in to be a prop, it's racist to suggest that i ask her to come in here for that reason. the president's own person, she's a family member, she loves this family, she came in because she felt like the president of the united states was getting falsely accused. mr. chairman, you and i have a personal relationship that's not based on color and to even go down this direction is wrong, mr. chairman. >> first of all, i want to thank the gentleman for what you have stated. if there's anyone who is sensitive with regard to race, it's me. son of former share croppers that were basically slaves. so i get it. i listened very carefully to ms. tlaib and i think -- and i don

mr. meadows. >> mr. chairman there is nothing more personal to me than my relationship, my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. and to indicate that i ask someone who is a personal friend of the trump family, who has worked for him, who knows this particular individual, that she is coming in to be a prop, it is racist that i suggest her to come in for that reason? mr. -- the president's own person, she is a family member, she loves this family, she came in because she felt like the president of the united states was getting falsely accused. and mr. chairman you and i have a personal relationship that is not based on color. and to even go down this direction is wrong, mr. chairman. >> first of all, i want to thank the gentleman for what you have stated. if there is anyone who is sensitive with regard to race, it's me. sharecroppers that were basically slaves. i get it. i listened very carefully to mrs. tlalib, and i think she said she was not call

mr. meadows: ivanka, thank you for your role, and i thank you for your leadership on this issue. but the stories that will be told this you will never be told. the people that will be mpowered and a lasting legacy. president trump: wilbur, commerce has a lot to do what is going on and this is a big part. >> chief goal is achieved and $12 trial to the world g.d.p. in 2025 that is creating another china but without the trade deficit. [laughter] president trump: we won't have it. president trump: anybody would like to say anything. >> i would like to thank ivanka. as the father of four girls, women rule my house and 50 million women across the globe. and ambassador bolton, thank you strategy.part of your and i appreciate that. president trump: would anyone like to say anything? >> economic stability is good defense possibility. the ideologies are borne from the absence of economic security. i'm hoping i vampinga, your initiative will put me out of business. >> thank you. >> [indiscernible] >> i'm happy to be here. i'm very proud and happy to be . re on behalf of my group thank you v

in two thousand and twelve when he campaigned in north carolina for his current seat in congress mr meadows was asked by voters would he go to washington and do something to remove president obama from office here is congressman meadows answer watch it and will let you connect the dots from the if we do our job from the grassroots standpoint we won't have to worry that you know we will sit back home to you know where he is you know a little quiz internet home and silly doing then. i believe what we will find is that we will get into the internet she. new commander in chief all right to talk about that and a little bit more i'm joined by marc fisher he's senior editor of the washington post marcus good to have you on the day the racism exchange that we saw yesterday on capitol hill how was that being reported in the united states. well i think it's just one more in a long series of debates that we've been having in this country about the nature of racism what defines racism obviously in a politically polarized climate such as we have this kind of very tough charge that is levied by both side

mr. meadows. wait a minute. >> i defended you. >> mr. meadows. i'm the chair. >> yes, sir, you are. >> i will clear this up. >> now, is it -- i want to make sure i understand. >> i'm trying as a person of color to express myself and how i felt at that moment. for the record that was my intention. >> mr. chairman, there's nothing more personal to me than my relationship. my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that mr. chairman. to indicate that i asked someone who is a personal friend of the trump family who has worked for him, who floknows this individu it is racist to suggest them to come in here for that reason. the president's own person, she is a family member mr. chairman, you and i have a personal relationship not based on color. to even go down this direction is wrong, mr. chairman. >> i want to thank the gentleman for what you're saying. if there is anyone who is sensitive with regard to race it's me. so i get it. i listened very carefully. i think she said she was not calling you a racist. i though

racist to suggest that i ask her to come in here for that reason i know mr chairman i do not call mr meadows racist and i am trying women as a person of color mr chairman just to express myself and how i felt at that moment . or congressman meadows was obviously irate and did not want to be associated with racism his indignation however surprised us and it may surprise you when you consider the congressman's connection to the burger movement now burgers read further to the people who pushed the faults notion that u.s. president barack obama was born not in the u.s. state of hawaii but rather in the african nation of kenya meaning he wasn't a u.s. citizen the movement is seen as racially motivated and an attempt to discredit the first black u.s. president in two thousand and twelve when he campaigned in north carolina for his current seat in congress mr meadows was asked by voters would he go to washington and do something to remove president obama from office here is congressman whether exempts or watch it and we'll let you connect the dots from there if we do our job from a grassroots stand

mr. meadows a racist, is that right? >> no, mr. chairman i do not call mr. meadows a racist. as a person of color, i am trying to express myself and how i felt at that moment. for the record, that was my intention. meadows: mr. chairman, there is nothing more personal to me than my relationship -- my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman, and to indicate that i asked someone who is a personal friend of the trump family, who has worked for him, who knows this particular individual that she is coming in to be a prop, it is racist so suggest i asked her to come in for that reason. person,ident's own she's a family member, she loves this family, she came in because she felt like the president of the united states was getting falsely accused. you and i have a personal relationship that is not based on color. to even go down this direction is wrong, mr. chairman. first of all, i want to thank the gentleman for what you have stated. if there is anyone who is sensitive with regard to race, it is me. the son of former sharecropp

mr. meadows: so we're objecting to a unanimous consent request? is that what -- mr. chairman. yes. mr. meadows: i'll yield back. mr. cummings: let me be clear. mr. hice, i am going to give you your whole five minutes. mr. hice: thank you, mr. chairman. mr. cummings: in fairness to you. mr. cummings: mr. meadows, the chairman made me the ranking member -- made me aware that i had given a little more time to ms. wasserman schultz. i was going to let you do that anyway. but i just want the committee to know that because there are so many members, i am going to be strict on this five minutes, all right? thank you very much. mr. hice, you have five minutes. mr. hice: thank you, mr. chairman. mr. cohen, you claim you lied but you are not a liar, just to set the record straight, if you lied you are a liar, by definition. you said a moment ago the facts are inaccurate. if they are facts they are accurate and that would make you inaccurate. but i'd like to take a moment to -- i'd like to know who you consulted with to prepare for today's hearing? lenny davis and who else? mr. cohen: i consulted

mr. meadows a racist, is that right? >> no, mr. chairman, i do not call mr. meadows a racist. i am trying -- >> wait a minute. hold on. >> -- as a person of color, mr. chairman, just to express myself and how i felt at that moment. and so just for the record, that's what was my intention. >> all right. mr. meadows -- >> mr. chairman, there's nothing more personal to me than my relationship. my nieces and nephews are people of color. >> so, look, the congressman obviously loves his family. you saw how emotional he was there. but honestly that is just not the point. it's not the point that you have loved ones who are people of color. it's not the point that you've hired a person of color. it's not the point that some of your best friends are people of color. this is what especially people of color try to get people to understand all the time, okay? it is entirely possible for any of those things to be true and for a person to still do things that are racist. it's like you can do something that is dumb. it doesn't mean your whole entire being is dumb. you made a stupid decision. s

mr. meadows and i sent you a letter asking you to have mr. rosenstein here. last week when you announced that mr. cohen was coming this week it is the same week we learned the deputy attorney general of the united states was not this sad display that we had to go through in the last several hours. again it's not my words, take the words of the former general council. so i hope we learned some things here today. mr. chairman, as i said earlier, your first big hearing, the first announced witness of the 116th congress, is a gentleman going to prison in two months for lying to congress. i don't they is what we should be focused on. >> thank you very much, i sat here and listened to all of t s this. it is very painful. it is very painful. you made a lot of mistakes and you admitted that. and you know one of the saddest parts of this whole thing is that some very innocent people are hurting, too. and you acknowledged that. and that is your family. you have come here today and you -- in my heart after -- and when i practice law i represent a lot of lawyers that got

mr. meadows and i sent you a letter asking you to have mr. rosenstein here. i think it's important to know that last week when you announced that mr. cohen was coming this week, it happened to be the very same week that we learned the deputy attorney general of the united states was thinking about wearing a wire to record the commander in chief, was actually contemplating talking to cabinet members and invoking the 25th amendment. that's what we should be focused on coming up this sad display we've had to go through the last several hours. again, not my words. you can take the words of the former general counsel for the house of representatives under tip o'neill. i hope we've learned some things here today. mr. chairman, as i said earlier, your first big hearing, the first announced witness of the 116th congress is a gentleman who's going to prison in two months for lying to congress. i don't think that's what we should be focused on. >> thank you very much. i listen to all of this. it's very painful. it's very painful. you made a lot of mistakes, mr. cohen.

mr. meadows a racist, is that right? >> no, mr. chairman i do not call mr. meadows a racist. >> mr.airman, there's nothing more personal to me than my relationship, my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. >> it was even longer, the exchange. it put the chairman in the middle of a highly charged conversation about race. now this morning, congresswoman talib repeat her apology. the michael cohen hearing wasn't a hearing at all. it was cheap theatrics. here to weigh in, the professional at princeton university, rick tyler. i'm told and it's been reported there were some people gasped when mark meadows brought out this trump staffer. what was your reaction then to that and then seeing the exchange? >> well, i was horrified. i found it insulting. congressman meadows used lynn patton as if she was a black venus and put her on display. there's no necessarily relationship between having a black person work for you and being susceptible to racist behavior. i found representative talib's effort to call that out in real time courageous

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mr. meadows. mr. meadows votes no. mr. highs. mr. highs votes no. mr. grothman. >> no. >> mr. grothman votes no. mr. comer. >> no. >> mr. comer votes no. mr. cloud. >> no. >> mr. cloud votes no. mr. gibbs. >> no. >> mr. gibbs votes no. mr. higgins. mr. norman. >> no. >> mr. norman votes no. mr. roy. mr. roy votes no. ms. miller. >> no. >> ms. miller votes no. mr. green. >> no. >> mr. green votes no. mr. armstrong. >> no. >> mr. armstrong votes no. mr. stub. >> no. >> mr. steube votes no.eub. >> no. >> mr. steube votes no.e. >> no. >> mr. steube votes no. on this vote we have 24 yeses, 17 nos. >> the motion to table is agreed to. let me say this, you've made it clear that you do not want the american people to hear what mr. cohen has to say, but the american people have a right to hear him, so we're going to proceed. the american people can judge his credibility for themselves. >> mr. chairman? >> yes. >> we did not say that, we just said we wanted to follow the rules. he didn't say stop the hearing, he just said postpone it so we could get his testimony and the exhibits when w

mr. meadows, that was not my intention. i do apologize if that's what it sounded like, but i said someone in general. >> sean: yeah, she was talking about mark meadows and wouldn't admit it. incredible grace, class, what a moment for him and mark meadows. by the way, the same congresswoman that called the president a mother bleep during the rally. the same person that pals around with a virulent anti-semite. she represents all that is wrong with today's modern, extreme, radical democratic socialist party. it couldn't be anymore disgraceful. it's a party consumed by hate, radical ideas. they can't even put politics aside for one week and support this vitally important mission of the president abroad. party now embracing socialism over capitalism. a party supporting a green new deal over real life prosperity of the american people. a party voting against a bill that would protect babies born alive that survived an abortion. they want unfettered illegal immigration, open borders. a party that trashed your right to due process

mr. meadows from north carolina has encouraged the president to alink about moving on. the was one of the chants at the rally last night in el paso, where one of our cameramen was assaulted by a trump supporter. the bbc has asked the white house and trump campaign -- we have hrd back from the white house in a statement saying, "president trump condemns al acts of violence against any individual or group of people and that includes members of the press." my question is, doou see any change of tone as we approach the 2020 election? alexis: we know that the president's allies and his pporters at these rallies are very well practiced after the 2016 election and they played to the president. i don't see that the desire to play to them will change. -- the heard before president has been encouraged to stop doing this from everyone from the publisher of "the new york times" to member of hiswn staff. jane:l wrder security and the wall still be an issue in 2020? alexis: he really has found a and he support for it will be talking about it regardless of where the funding goes. nigh

mr meadows... no. mr heiss. .. massey... no. mr meadows... no. mr heiss... no. mr massey... no.an... no. mr roy... no. miss miller... no. mr green... norman... no. mr roy... no. miss miller... no. mrgreen... no. mr armstrong... now. mr stew beef... no. —— mr stoobie vote no. 0n armstrong... now. mr stew beef... no. —— mr stoobie vote no. on this vote, we have 24 for yes, 17 no. the motion to table is agreed to. let me say this. you've made it clear that you do not want the american people to hear what mr cohen has to say. the american people have a right to hear him so we are going to proceed. the american people can judge hear him so we are going to proceed. the american people canjudge his credibility for themselves. now... mrchairman, we did credibility for themselves. now... mr chairman, we did not say that, we wa nt mr chairman, we did not say that, we want to follow the rules. we did not say stop the hearing, we said postpone it so we can get his testimony and exhibits when we were supposed to get them according to the rules of this committee, that is all we said, not that

mr. meadows and many of my colleagues on other side of the aisle.t it was important for me to speak truth to power. it was important for me to speak out against that action that i thought was very hurtful and very painful for many of us sitting in that committee room. >> so do you regret apologizing to congressman meadows. >> norrie apologized if i made him feel like a racist. i was at that moment as a person and a mother. thises is a teachable home. i eyesed that moment to say just fyi, that was not way do it and it was not all about kaug mr. meadows a racist. if i wanted to everybody knows i'm pretty direct i would have done that. but that was not my intention. it was my intention to educate, to share. what i was feeling at that moment, just like when he was feeling at that moment of what his reaction was to the comments from mr. cohen, i'm really, you know, wanting to focus to discuss race in this country in a way that can be really thoughtful and constructive. not in a way that's very dramatic and, again, no disrespect to her, but just to having

mr. meadows.lot -- he and i are people who can sit in the room and disagree and have respect for each other. but i need to tell him, and i need to speak up when something is wrong, it's inappropriate. and this hopefully is a learning lesson for all of us. >> well, this is a conversation that could continue for the rest of the hour, but so appreciate your insights, your perspective, your thoughts on what happened yesterday. congresswoman brenda lawrence, reverend al sharpton, thanks to both of you. >> thank you. >>> well, president trump did get something out of kim jong-un. a denial about having anything to do with the death of american otto warmbier. what the president said and why he's again taking the word of a dictator over u.s. intelligence. hallie will have more on that when we come right back. go ahead, ask it a question. tecky, can you offer low costs and award-winning full service with a satisfaction guarantee, like schwab? sorry. tecky can't do that. schwabbb! calling schwab. we don't ha

mr. meadows no. >> no mr. meadows votes know. >> hice votes know. >> grothman. >> no. >> mr. grothman votes no. >> comer. >> mr. come he were votes no. >> cloud no. >> mr. cloud votesio. >> gibbs fwl gibbs votes no mr. higgins mr. norman no. >> mr. hirmen votes no. >> mr. roy votes no have miss miller. >> no. >> miss miller votes know. >> green. >> mr. green votes know. >> mr. armstrong votes no. mr. steube vets no. >> on this vote we have 24 yes, 17 nos. >> the motion to table is agreed to. the let me say this. you made it clear that did you not want the american people to haerp what mr. cohen has to say. but the american people have a right to hear him. so we're going to proceed. the merp people can judge his credibility for themselves. now. >> mr. chairman. >> yes. >> we did not say that we said we wanted to follow the rules. we didn't say stop the hearing just postpone it so we can get his testimony and exhibits when we were supposed to get them according to the rules of the committee. that's all we said we didn't say we wanted to hear from the. >> guy. >> le claiming the

the right i thank you mr chairman it's the you all right thank you thank you mr chairman and i mr mr meadows i the chairman made me a ranking member. made me aware that i had given a little more time to this watching shows i was going to let you do that anyway but but i just want the committee to know because there's no me going to be doing this five minutes all right thank you very much it's nice you have five minutes thank you mr chairman mr cohen you claim that you've lied but you're not a liar just set the record straight if you lied you are a liar by definition you also said a moment ago that the facts are inaccurate if they are facts they are accurate and that would make you an accurate but i like to take a moment to like to know who you consulted with to prepare for today's hearing lanny davis and who else i consulted with my counsel lanny davis as well as michael monaco all right did you or michael or lanny davis or anyone else cooperate with the democrat majority to prepare for this hearing. i'm sorry say that again please did anyone did you or anyone else on your team cooperate wit

mr. meadows no. >> no mr. meadows votes know. >> hice votes know. >> grothman. >> no. >> mr. grothman votes no. >> comer. >> mr. come he were votes no. >> cloud no. >> mr. cloud votesio. >> gibbs fwl gibbs votes no mr. higgins mr. norman no. >> mr. hirmen votes no. >> mr. roy votes no have miss miller. >> no. >> miss miller votes know. >> green. >> mr. green votes know. >> mr. armstrong votes no. mr. steube vets no. >> on this vote we have 24 yes, 17 nos. >> the motion to table is agreed to. the let me say this. you made it clear that did you not want the american people to haerp what mr. cohen has to say. but the american people have a right to hear him. so we're going to proceed. the merp people can judge his credibility for themselves. now. >> mr. chairman. >> yes. >> we did not say that we said we wanted to follow the rules. we didn't say stop the hearing just postpone it so we can get his testimony and exhibits when we were supposed to get them according to the rules of the committee. that's all we said we didn't say we wanted to hear from the. >> guy. >> le claiming the

mr. meadows a racist is that right? >> no, mr. chairman, i do not call mr. meadows a racist. >> mr. to me than my relationship, my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. >> mr. meadows, you know -- and of all the people on this committee, i've said it and got in trouble for it, that you're one of my best friends. i know that shocks a lot of people. >> and likewise, mr. chairman. >> but you are. and i would do -- and i could see and feel your pain. i feel it. >> i do apologize if that's what it sounded like but i said someone in general. thank you, mr. chairman for allowing me to clarify but again i said someone and again i was not referring to you at all as a racist. >> that's rashida talib of the state of michigan. the comments came much later in the day. the initial gesture made by mark meadows to bring lynn patton up. lynn patton was an event planner for the trumps. and was given a pretty weighty post inside hud in new jersey and new york. what did you think about meadows using lynn patton as an example of why he was not ra

mr. meadows. >> mr. cohen, do you know plynn patton. >> yes, i do. >> i asked lynn to come today in personal capacity to actually shed some light, have you known ms. patton? >> i'm responsible for lynn joining the trump organization and the job she currently hold. >> reporter: well, i'm glad you acknowledged that. you made some very demeaning comments about the president that ms. patton doesn't agree with, in fact, it has to do with your claim of racism. she says that as a daughter of a man born in birmingham, alabama, that there's no way that she would work for an individual who was racist. how do you reconcile two of those? >> as neither should i as a holocaust survivor. >> i'm saying, i talked to the president over 300 times i haven't heard one time a racist comment out of his mouth in private, how do you reck sill it, do you have proof of those conversations? do you have tape recordings of those conversations? >> no. >> you taped everybody else -- >> i haven't taped anyone. >> i would ask you -- you

mr. meadows votes no. mr. hise votes no. mr. grothman votes no. mr. comber votes no. mr. cloud votes no. mr. gibbs votes no. mr. higgens, mr. norman votes no. mr. roy votes no. miss miller no. mr. green votes no. mr. arm strong votes no. mr. stube votes no. on this vote we have 24 yeses, 17 nos. >> motion to table is agreed to. let me say this. you've made it clear that you did not want the american people to hear what mr. cohen has to say. but the american people have a right to hear him. so we're going to proceed. the american people can judge his credibility for themselves. now -- >> mr. chairman? >> yes. >> we did not say that. we just said we wanted to follow the rules. we didn't say stop the hearing. we said postpone it so we can get the testimony and the kpi exhibits as we were supposed to get them. >> reclaiming my time. >> i now recognize myself for five minutes to give an opening statement. today the committee will hear the testimony of michael cohen. president donald trump's long-time personal attorney and one of his closest and most trusted advisers over the l

mr. meadows? >> mr.n, there's nothing more personal to me than my relationship -- my nieces and nephews are people of color. >> well, tonight the controversy isn't over. video and audio from years ago is now being seen in a new light, something congressman meadows said about another president. sunlen serfaty joins us from capitol hill about that. so it seems like this was settled during the meeting. what are you learning now? >> reporter: yeah, anderson, certainly some new scrutiny over things that mark meadows has said in the past. this is first and foremost something that he said seven years ago, back in 2012, about then president barack obama. it was something at the time that was quite controversial and it was reported on by many outlets, but certainly given that very emotional back and forth and high-profile back and forth at the cohen hearing today, it certainly is getting a fresh look today. here's first what mark meadows said back in 2012. >> what we're going to do is take back our country. 2012

mr. meadows. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for two minutes. mr. meadows: thank you, mr. speaker. the gentleman from missouri is exactly right. it is the statutes that allow this president to do this. the statutes don't provide for national emergencies on climate change. they don't allow for national emergencies on gun violence. but they do allow it in terms of this particular issue and the president is exactly right. there is a crisis at the border, mr. speaker. but not only this president recognizes it. the previous president obama in 2014 did as well when he requested $3.7 billion in emergency spending to secure the border. where was the outrage then? where was the outrage from my colleagues across the aisle? president obama even went on further to say that we needed to make sure we needed to secure our border to deter both adults and children from the dangerous journey that they embarked on. where was the outrage across the aisle then, mr. speaker? it was not there. keeping criminals out, human trafficking and drug smugglers away from our commun

mr. meadows and mr. jordan in particular, those guys are the president's fiercest defenders on all things mueller and the russia probe. >> this is the first salvo of republicans trying to postpone the hearing on a procedural ground. democrats saying we will change the rules because we are able to do so. they have the vote and the hearing will continue. >> ms. norton votes yes. mr. clay votes yes. mr. lynch votes yes. >> this could be a very long day. you will see a lot of attempts of procedure. there is a political strategy behind it. the more you stretch it out into process, the less maybe the less impact some of his allegations and words and testimony can have. we have seen this play when the other parties are in the minority. this is what a party in the minority does and in the majority. >> we have kasie hunt with us. i wonder as we go along here, is this one of those scenarios -- we have 40 plus members of this particular committee, some republicans, some democrats. do these members of congress try t

mr. meadows you know of all of the people on this committee i have said it and got in trouble for it, that you're one of my best friends. i know that shocks a lot of people. >> and like wise, mr. chairman. >> i could see and feel your pain. i feel it. and so -- and i don't think she intended to cause you that, that kind of pain and that kind of frustration. did you have a statement? i will yield to you. >> and to my colleague that was not my intention. i do apologize if that's what it sounded like. i said someone in general. as everybody knows in this chamber i'm pretty direct. if i wanted to say that i would have but that's not what i said. thank you mr. clarm fhairman fo allowing many we to clarify. it was not referring to you at all as a racist. >> i thank the gentlewoman for her excellencomments and workin clarify this. i appreciate the chairman intervening. >> i knew the unanimous consent. i think i need to officially withdraw my request. >> you did it? >> i did. >> okay. sounds good. now, i will recognize you for your unanimous consent. i think you want to put in records and document

mr. meadows. >> mr. cohen: mr. chairman, may i finish? >> mr. cohen, he has yielded me. >> mr. cohen: i didn't finish my response. i'm asking the chairman trade mr. chairman, may i finish my response was to mexico i will let you respond. answer his question please >> everything has been made of your lies in the past. i'm concerned about your lies today. under testimony just a few minutes ago to me you indicated that you had contracts with foreign entities. and yet, we have a truth and testimony disclosure form which requires you to list those foreign contracts for the last two years, and you put "n/a" on there. and it is a criminal offense to not have that accurately. so when were you lying? either in the testimony to me earlier today or when you fill out the form? >> the gentleman's time has expired. mr. cohen, you may answer his question and then whatever you wanted to say on that other one. >> mr. cohen: his question is unfortunately -- i don't have an answer for his question. >> no, no, no. mr. chairman -- >> the gentleman is out of order. he said he does not have an answer

mr. meadows. >> mr. chairman, may i finish my response? >> i'll let you respond. >> mr. cohen, everything has been made of your lies in the past. i'm concerned about your lies today. under your testimony, just a few minutes ago, to me, you indicated that you had contracts with foreign entities. and yet we have a truth in testimony disclosure form which requires you to list those foreign contracts for the last two years. and you put "n.a." on there. and it's a criminal offense to not have that accurately. so when were you lying? either on the testimony to me earlier today or when you filled out the form? >> the gentleman's time is expired. mr. cohen, you may answer his question, and then whatever you want to say on that. >> these questions, i don't have an answer for his question, but -- >> no, no. no, no. mr. chairman. >> as it relates -- >> the gentleman is out of order. he said he does not have an answer. >> mr. chairman, when doesn't have an answer. and you have gone over your tim. >> he's under oath. >> he's under oath to tell the truth. one of them is not accurate,

mr. meadows! i'm the chair. >> yes, sir, you are. >> thank you. i will clear this up. >> mr.here's nothing more personal to me than my relationship, my nieces and nephews are people of color. not many people know that. you know that, mr. chairman. and to indicate that i asked someone who is a personal friend of the trump family who is worked for him, who knows this particular individual that she's coming in to be a prop, it's racist to suggest that i ask her to come in here for that reason. >> it was an emotional moment for congressman meadows clearly. he put the chairman in an uncomfortable situation. you're my black friend, tell them i'm not racist. congressman talib further explained that moment on cnn. >> i apologize if i was calling him as a racist. this was a teachable moment. i used that moment to say, just fyi, that was not the way to do it and it was not out at all calling him a racist. i'm pretty direct. i would have done that. that's not my intention. it was my intention to educate, to share what i was feeling at that moment just like what he was feeling at that mo

mr. meadows. you hope that the house of cards doesn't just collapse sdplp do you think there is an unintended consequence if congress doesn't pursue this. it is up to the voters to decide if they want that kind of behavior in office. maybe voters knew going in that he wasn't the most ethically topnotch kind of businessman they might have thought. what, if you don't pursue it, what kind of behavior going forward. it is the profound erosion in the institutions of our democracy. that's why congress take that's oath and he has to take it seriously. we have to protect the constitution. we cannot ignore evidence. >> jerry connolly, democratic from virginia, we'll be talking again soon. >> let me just throw it right here. it seem that's this is to me a dilemma that democrats have. what is politically convenient, they may be doing long term. short term and long term. >> what i think you just heard congressman connolly say is their duty as members of congress will ultimately trump what they think their pol

mr. meadows. >> chairman -- >> may i finish -- >> mr. cohen, he's yielded to me. my response. >> listen -- i'm asking the chairman, mr. chairman, may i finish my response? >> i will, but answer his question. i am concerned about your lies today. under your testimony just a few minutes ago to me you indicated that you had contracts with foreign entities and we have a truth and testimony disclosure form that requires you to list those foreign contracts for the last two years and you put n/a on there and it's a criminal offense to not have that accurately. so when were you lying either in the testimony to me earlier today or when you filled out the form? >> the gentleman's time has expired. mr. cohen, you may answer his question and whatever you wanted to say on the other. >> his question -- i don't have an answer for his question, but as -- >> no, no, no, no. mr. chairman! >> as it relates -- >> the gentleman is out of order. he said he does not have an answer. >> mr. chairman, when we were in the majority, with all due respect, mr. chairman, hold on. >> the gentlem

mr. meadows, that was not my intention and i do apologize if that is what it sounded like, but i said someonein general. >> laura: okay, the back story on this is lynn patton, who worked for president trump, had been brought to the hearing by congressman meadows, and it was called a racist move to allow a young woman to come, and obviously she knows the president really well. we will start with you, congressman gomer. thank you for being here. are you calling me a racist? by congressman meadows. this is what we have gotten to. the president of the united states about to come out with the north korean leader and we have this spectacle on capitol hill because of the jilted lover, michael cohen? >> it was a bad day for the democratic party. a speaker pelosi cannot keep her freshman members in line, she cannot keep them on script. the purpose of that whole committee was to begin the process of trying to impeach the president to please the most liberal part of the democratic base. >> laura: people watching this across the country, we were at a restaurant for lunch, people walk by, look out for a s

us from washington see how but even before the testimony got underway michael cohen's testimony mr meadows is asking for a postponement just talk us through what we're seeing and hearing. and we have to have them including that this might happen that some members some of the republican members of the oversight committee may try and prevent the testimony happening as warned by raising not supporting preventing preventing the the testimony to get underway to preventing the hearing from getting under way so as you can see there representative meadows saying well we didn't get the testimony on time as and representative meadows suggesting that this is part of cohen's strategy to mislead the committee to mislead the republican side of the committee who are certainly going to be going off to his credibility and citing john dean who was richard nixon's white house counsel who famously invited seventy three testified before congress and that test me that to nixon eventually resigning and there are some democrats who may be hoping that michael cohen may have a similar effect on ball drop it seems p

mr. meadows, the chairman ar made me that i had given a m litte time to ms. wassermann schultz. i want the committee to know that because there are so many mbers, i will be strict on this five minutes. thank you very much. >> mr. cohen, you claim at you lied but you are not a liar. if you lied, you are a liar by definition. you said the facte are inaccu if they are facts they are accurate and that would make you inaccurate. i would like to know who you consulted with to prepare for y' tohearing. lanny davis and who else? >> i consulted with my counsel, lanny davis as well as michael monaco. >> did you or michael or lanny lanny davis or anyone else cooperate with the democrat majority to prepare. >> i'm sorry? >> did anyone else on your team cooperate with the democrat party? >> we have spoken to the party.p >> did ypare with chairman cummings or anyone on your teamu >> what doean by prepare? >> prepare for this hearing. >> i prepared with my counsel. >> did you prepare with democrat majority or chairman cummings? >> we spoke with chaman cummings and the party. >> with chairman s

mr. meadows, the chairman, the ranking member made me aware that i had given a little more time to ms. wasserman-schultz. i was going to let you do that anyway, but i just want the committee to know that because there are so many members, i'm going to be strict on this five minutes, all right? thank you very much. you lied, but are not a liar. if you lied you are a liar by definition. you also said a moment ago that the facts are accurate. if they are facts they are accurate and that would make you inaccurate, but i would like to take a moment and i would like to know who you consulted with to prepare for today's hearing? lanny davis and who else? >> i consulted with my counsel, lanny davis as well as michael monaco. >> all right. >> did you or michael or lanny davis or anyone else cooperate with the democratic majority to prepare for this hearing? >> i'm sorry, say that again, please? >> did you or anyone else on your team cooperate with the democrat party in preparing for this hearing? >> we've spoken to the party. >> okay. did you prepare with chairman cummings or anyone on your tea