. >> mr. mele, when you joined the dean campaign, did they have the sense of the power of the internet? >> i think when i joined the dean campaign, i mean they hired me and it was clearly some sense this could be a competitive advantage, that there was a tactical opportunity that had not been tapped. in many ways was patterned off of move-on. by 2004, move-on had been around for half a dozen years and it raised a lot of money for cad tkapbts but never before did a candidate build an organization like the dean campaign. in 2,000, bill bradley petitioned the f.c.c. to allow credit cards over the internet. but, it was the dean campaign that really embraced it and just blew it wide open. >> you have a quote in the end of big, and you say, that nobody in washington, d.c. took the internet seriously, so it was allowed to happen by the time anybody noticed it had already won. what does that mean? >> so, one of the reasons i had worked in washington, d.c. at a number of nonprofit in the political space inc

mr. bald man in getting into the melee. >> mr. bald man does get into the melee but keep watching, she then gets into it with another woman there. >> two do go to the hospital after this. obviously this ruins the time at the wedding. this is at 2 a.m. >> does it really ruin it now? now you have this incredible video. it's a lot better than the boring video. >> yes, it ruined it, someone got stabbed at your wedding. >> if you google around russian wedding fights, you saw a few different videos on line. apparently this is not something so uncommon. >> the lady is just so -- n nonchalant about it. she's like not another stabbing at another family wedding. >> when your 13-year-old son needs his teeth cleaned, you take him to the dentist. so he takes out his breathing t apparatus and he puts in the water. >> that's a cleaning isn't it? >> ah! >> so russell lets the cleaning shrimp go in there for over 40 seconds to clean his teeth. >> the shrimp comes equipped with like floss. >> it's crawling all around, a live thing just crawling all

mr. mele before we get into the substance of your book if you could relate your personal experience to the book "the end of big". tesco i started my life as a computer programmer and ended up at the intersection of technology and politics in 2003. i joined howard dean's presidential primary campaign. i joined very early in late april of 2003 and was on the campaign from most exactly 12 months from the early days to the very bitter end. my experience as a working for an insurgent candidate led me to think a lot about the role of technology and empowering insurgencies against the establishment. so it's really kind of where my folks started. in 2007 and early 2008 we watched the astonishing democratic primary where hillary clinton who was the party standard error, indeed she and bill clinton built the modern democratic party. she lost in the primaries to a manhood in in public life less than a decade. that was a dramatic moment of the insurgent challenging the establishment and winning. the last

. >> host: mr. mele, when you joined the dean campaign, did they have the sense of the power of the internet? >> guest: i think when i joined the dean campaign, i mean, they hired me. i was a totally technical guy, so they hired me, so there was clearly some sense that this could be a competitive advantage, that there was a tactical opportunity here that had not yet been tapped. it really in ways was patterned off of moveon. moveon, by 2004 moveon had been around for almost half a dozen years, and moveon had raised a lot of money online for candidates. but never before had a candidate themselves really built a digital operation as adepressively as the -- aggressively as the dean campaign did. you know, in 2000 bill bradley actually petitioned the sec to allow credit card contributions over the internet. so there definitely was some hint that this provided a tactical advantage for insurgents as far as far back a. but it was the dean campaign that really embraced it and just blew it wide open to. >> host:

mr. president, every day members of congress come to work at the united states capitol. i said some of these things yesterday afternoon, but because of the meleethe death and destruction outside the capitol, the sound system didn'tst didn't work and so i want to make sure people understand a few things how i feel about the united states capitol police force. members of congress come to work here and we come with 16,000 staff people. we are here with millions of tieforttourists every year, ande good men and women, most of whom are in uniform but not all of them are, are here to keep us, members of our staff, and the public safe from harm. yesterday's events were a sobering reminder of that fact. i spoke yesterday afternoon shortly after the incident to brian carter, a 23-year veteran of the capitol police force who was hurt during yesterday's incident. i've talked to police officers that i come in contact with the last 16 hours or so, said, do you know brian? almost everyone knows him and everyone said the same thing, what a fine young man. as i spoke to him yesterday -- and he is speacted t expected ta recovery; i wish he and his family the be