mr. mertons and ms. williams. who i want to address, lynette haines, and ivory madison who was also on your list. do we need to hear from ms. haines live? >> i am not sure can answer that question. it depends. we're hopeful that ms. hens will provide a declaration. we know that she has been concerned about some of the efforts that the mayor has gone to to try to interview her, subpoena her records, etc. i am hopeful we will obtain a declaration to provide you. depending on what the commission thinks of such a declaration, you will be in the best position to evaluate whether or not you need to hear from her life. chairperson hur: ok. ms. madison? >> we will not offer testimony by miss madison. we will make the decision after we see the declaration if we want to request she appear for cross-examination. we do not think she is a necessary live witness. chairperson hur: you do not intend to call anyone who is not on the list except for the sheriff? >> we believe the central live witnesses are the sheriff and the mayor

mr. merton, why do we have to hear from inspectors becker and danielle? >> we would attempt to limit their testimony to the demeanor of ms. lopez and the summary of what they did. >> how is her demeanor going to help us decide whether or not this contract has occurred? >> it pertains to the dissuasion count and to what happened between her and the sheriff. the sheriff has maintained there was a single grabbing of her arm in order to protect his son from his wife. and we disagree. we do not think the facts match that. the facts were different as ms. lopez told ms. madison and ms. williams, it was a much more serious conflict between her and the sheriff. every piece of evidence that bears on her demeanor and mental state and the credibility of her statements at different times is relevant to the determination about what happened between the sheriff and ms. lopez. chairperson hur: why would we need the inspectors? >> we may not. chairperson hur: if you have to choose one of them, who would it be? >> without looking a great deal, we can go with one of them. w