mr. milne. milne: one of the first things we need to do is change the tone from the top in the governor's office. i believe that vermont has strengthened its reputation as not being a business ready state over the last four years. there's many examples i could cite for that but i think with the scott milne administration, businesses will realize that doors open, let's give up her want to try. we need to come up with some sort of shot in the are. we have a stagnant economy as you pointed out. average household incomes are down come unemployment rate has gone up the last month. we need to do some tax incentives to stimulate business. we need to move forward with a robust revitalization of our education system which is the foundation for a great economy. >> moderator: esther shaman. shumlin: first i want to correct the facts. we have to remember the facts are difficult things to refute. we do have among the lowest unemployment rates in america. we have the lowest unemployment rate of all the new eng

mr. milne? >> my name is scott milne. i'm a third-generation, born in vermont -- take that back, i was born in brooklyn, and about 90 dad waser i was born my in law school and my mom was a new yorker. i loved vermont. i moved back to vermont in the mid-1980's to take over a small part of a family business. that business was located in hampshire. because of the gratitude i felt toward vermont because of the love i have for vermont, i chose to live on the vermont side of the border. to bring my family up in vermont. to be closer to my parents and the folks i grew up with. but what i saw over the last 30 years is a continuing difference between new hampshire and vermont. the effect of tax policies and government on the ability of people to prosper. that has drawn me into this race, and i feel i will offer a good voice for people who choose to support me. >> mr. peters? >> my name is bernie peters. i have been married for 47 years. veteran. retired from the transportation agency. i did construction

i believe we must. >> mr. milne, you have said it is dead in 2017, but is there a future in which you would say yes? >> thank you for the question. i got into this campaign, one of the promises i made was, a, i will always listen before i act, and we need to listen to what is practical versus some political agenda, which i would argue is what has gotten us where we are with health care. if we get through figuring out what we will do going forward, 2015 will be a year for cost benefit analysis, if the exchange does work. five years down the road, if things look great and other states have been successful with single-payer or some sort of government run health care, i am more than happy to do it. but it will be based on facts. >> let's be honest here, right? the economy has been stagnant, pete. it has not grown. if you were so concerned about the economy growing you would start reducing health care costs. prison healthcare costs are the second highest in the country. if you want to demonstrate you could cut costs, you

mr. milne? milne: . i'm a third-generation born in vermont. i take that back i got here about 90 days after i was born. my dad was in law school and my mom was in new york. to take over a small part of the family business that business was located in new hampshire and the corporation because of the gratitude i felt towards vermont and the love i have for vermont i chose to live on the vermont side of the border to bring my family up in vermont to be a little closer to my paragraph into the folks i grew up with and what i saw over the last 30 years is a continuing difference between new hampshire and vermont and the effective tax policies and the ability to prosper and i feel a guy will below for a great voice for people. >> moderator: thank you. mr. peters. peters: i've been married 47 years, veteran, retired in the transportation after 36 years to construct all my life off and on. and i've been watching politics for quite some time. and i really kind of disappointed. that's why i'm running. it's got to the point from what i see is whichever p