mr. mmplt etzler, you knew that there were urns uncovered in the fill area of the cemetery. now when you found those urns, what did you do? >> we looked at the umplt rns and examined them to figure out if we could determine where they belong in the cemetery? >> did you? >> no, there were no markings on the umplt rns, nothing to lead us to identify who these remains belonged to. >> you have no idea who they were. >> that is correct. >> to this day, you have no idea who they are. >> that is correct. >> did you think to yourself, we've got a problem here? >> yes, i did. >> and i assume you went right up to the appropriations committee and to omb and to the army chief of staff and said we've got a crisis. >> i did not. >> we have urns being dug up that are unidentified and they've been dumped, we've got to get on this because this could be occurring in every single section of the cemetery? >> die not do that, ma'am. >> what about you, higginbotham, when you realized you had this problem as early as 2003, what action did you take? do you go to mr. metzler or send him a memo and s