mr. moderator, any callers with hands raised? >> madam secretary, there are no callers with hands raised at the time. >> thank you. public comment on item 3 is closed. >> thank you. if no more comments, can i have a motion and second to approve the minutes? >> move to approve. >> second. >> madam secretary, please take roll call. [roll call] >> five ayes. >> item passes. can you please call the next item? >> item 4, report of the general manager. >> thank you madam secretary. item 4a is water supply conditions update from steve richie. >> good afternoon commissioners. steve richie, assistant general manager for water. if i can have the slides, please. as you note, we changed the title from drought conditions to water supply update because things are obviously changing dramatically. even over the past weekday and even in the last 2 days. going into the slides quickly--reservoir storage is about the same and the reason it is about the same now is because of water is falling into snow and coming in is passing out at this point becau

mr. moderator.lo, please tell me how important this project is and how much it will help us to produce various products like gases . your excellency, all respected colleagues in khabar network, as well as the dear and kind people of our country, islamic iran, at your service. south pars phase 14 network is known as the last dry refinery in south pars, which today was proudly inaugurated by our beloved president . specifications of the 14th phase development plan i would like to give brief information to your excellency and dear viewers, this phase has 4 offshore platforms , each of which has the capacity to harvest and produce 14 million cubic meters per day . these platforms were built at a distance of 150 km from kangan coast. the gas production of meson chai is carried out by 44 wells. we have two marine pipelines with a length of 210 km , which transfer all the production of these platforms to the phase 14 refinery. with the main dogs also the 4-inch pipeline is related the transfer of clavicle

mr. moderator do we have callers with hands raised? >> there are no callers wishing to be recognized. >> public comment on item 6 is closed. why upon excellent. if there are no more comments or questions. i we can have a motion. >> move to approve. >> president agentlemeny. >> aye >> vice president maxwell >> aye >> commissioner paulson. >> aye joovm commissioner rivera. >> aye >> commissioner stacy. >> aye. >> excellent item passes could you call the next item. next is item 7. authorize issuance of 865 million of 23ab bonds and issuance of the 23 series c bonds del gift to the gm authorization to apointer write and enter in one or more bond contracts with under write irs if the city's pool and procurement process and with city's policies subject to limited on compensation setforth in the resolution. authorize the gm to sell the 23 wastewater bond in one more series on negotiated basis as a gm determines in the best financial interests of the san francisco public utility's commission. jury room good afternoon, commissioners. nick, capi

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mr. shellenberger do you know how many were employed in content moderation during that time? mr. shellenberger: i do not know. ms. plaskett: we are looking at thousands of employees overall and hundreds in offices where the focus of emails and documents were released. i will ask you, mr. shellenberg, how many emails did mr. musk give you access to? mr. shellenberger: we went through thousands of emails. ms. plaskett: all of the emails for the time period? mr. shellenberger: i never had a single request denied. not only that, the amount of files we were given were so voluminous there was no way that anybody could have gone through them beforehand. we never found an incidence there was any evidence or anything taken out. ms. plaskett: you would believe you have probably millions of emails and documents, right? that's correct? mr. shellenberger: i don't know -- mr. taibbi: i think the number is too high. ms. plaskett: 100,000? mr. shellenberger: probably, yeah. ms. plaskett: probably close to 100,000 loathe both of you are saying. yet in twitter files you are proud 338 of those emai

mr. latta: my question, do you find that good faith moderation? mr. chew: congressman, section 230 is a very complex -- mr. latta: yes or no? chew:we are very focused on safety. mr. latta: okay, i'm going to -- do you believe tiktok deserves this liability protection? mr. chew: i'm sorry, congressman? mr. latta: do you believe tiktok deserves this liability protection under section 230? mr. chew: congressman, as you pointed out 230 has been very important for freedom of expression on the internet. it's one of the commitments we have given to this committee and our users. i do think it's important to preserve that, but companies should be raising the bar for safety. i really agree with that. mr. latta: the -- when you told us and repeated, we will keep safety, particularly for teenagers, a top priority for us. are you making a following commitment? why do you have to wait until now to make that following commitment, not having done it before, when this ten-year-old lost her life? i'm reiterating the commitment and all of my priorities -- okay, this com

mr. desantis might be gay. the kind of behavior that swing voters and moderate republicans tend to dislike most aboutfá mr trumps get into it. joining me now from west palm beach near trump'se1 florida ho is vaughn hillyard. in new york city, garrett haake, who covers the trump campaign. also joining me is senior national correspondent for the "washington post," ashley parker. garrettm> well, there's no indication that the grand jury is meeting today so all the activity you see around and behind me is related to the enhanced securitr footprint that's been put in place here. more police officers, more barricades, moree1 lights. they're all coming to be prepared for the possibility of significant protests like those called for by the former president over the weekend, but the protests themselves ( uzxd failed to matu) there was a small rally last night with'c■ about 15 to 20 people. this afternoon, there were individual trump supporters coming by perhaps shouting support or waving a s!3, but there's nothing like an o

try to threaten social media companies under the auspices of some sort of allowed content moderation. . >> a mr. -- the didn't threaten or chorus the platform. they attorney generals complain they lack a factual basis. you did mention, as i understand, it just last, week the district judge in that case denied the administration's motion to dismiss. doesn't that's and i'll meet the opposite of what mr. shelley testified? >> turn on your mic. is your mic on? >> our federal district judge came to the opposite conclusion. >> that conclusion is that the -- there is plausible, factually geisha, and in support of a legally sufficient legal theory. that this censorship scheme violates first amendment. can you summarize some of the allegations of fact concerning coercion and threats that you tended to the court to that conclusion? >> i preface that by saying that in fact there's more than one way you can violate the first amendment. there's coercion, joint precipitation, there is conspiracy there's deception, there is pervasive entwined met, there are a significant encouragement. even if we hadn't alleg

mr. american dwight david morning. i'm lincoln forum secretary michelle crowe and i will serve as moderator this morning session. it will include discussions of national financial policies and a relationship with members of the opposition party to subjects which we have absolutely no

you don't see a lot of moderates or establishment figures coming. mr. mccarthy: well, hello. we have some important people in the audience i see with some stickers on. we want to welcome you to the capitol, to the raburn room. today we're making a little history. first of all, some people will say it's a little history for the stands point that you've got elected officials keeping their word. we made a commitment to america that we would bring a milestone bill, the parents' bill of rights. that's what today is all about. it's about every parent, every mom and dad, but, most importantly, about the students in america today. you know, it's pretty -- it's a pretty straightforward bill. we firmly believe that this bill's foundation is built on five pillars. today when you introduce a bill, it always is given a number. and in the majority you're able to reserve the first through 10. this is h.r. 5. for a very important reason. when you turn about 5 is when you start going to kindergarten, right? you start your education. but this bill kind of sits on five minute pillars. the right

mr. rezapour, for more information from here. rezapour , hello, good time, this moderator's conference was held, where is it and what goals does it pursue?

moderation practices. i believe it should be a baseline requirement to enable meaningful oversight. and consumer choice. mr. chew, just yes or no, do you believe a requirement for annual content moderation practices for social media platforms would be beneficial? yes or no? >> yes. >> this transparency bill would also require online platforms to maintain detailed records describing their algorithmic process will review by the federal trade commission, in compliance with key privacy and data identification standards. mr. chew, this tiktok currently maintain records describing their algorithmic processes? yes or no? >> congresswoman, i would need to check and get back to you on what kind of specific records you are talking about. >> i will wait for that. over the past few years, alarming information brought to light by whistleblowers have shown that social media companies are intimately aware of the effect their products on young women, political extremism, and more. despite this, they have withheld those studies or declined to investigate further. in either case, it shows a pattern of the they support negli

mrs. rosales is a staunch proponent of ocii housing programs. over 3,000 housing units started construction during her term, of which 1/3 affordable to very low and low moderate income households. whereas, mrs. rosales has been a strong supporter to provide affordable housing opportunities to members of low income house holds displaced by the former agency and eligible to receive housing preference through ocii certificate of preference program. she consistently urged the mayor office of housing and community development, which provides services to market and lease up sponsored affordable housing units to fulfill their commitment to provide accessible user friendly and online access to housing applications and marketing information through the data base of affordable housing listings information and applications, the dahlia program. and whereas, mrs. rosales presence on the successor agency commission will be greatly missed by those who having businesses before the commission the public generally and her fellow commissioners and agency staff. her legacy includes the funding of thousands of affordable housing units, creation of numerous construction and perman

mr. vasyl glory to ukraine glory to the heroes today we will speak more moderately about the situation inl, in one in a state neighboring us, and in another state that is simply close to us in spirit, and i. that situation can affect ukraine. i mean moldova and georgia, but i will ask first of all what the british intelligence reports that the enemy is suffering very heavy losses at the front right now. and actually this affects many things in russia itself, in moscow. in your opinion, these factors are loss factors, lack factors, in fact, from the already obvious lack of ammunition, can they affect putin or this will only push him to look for new logistical , so to speak, ways of supplying ammunition and new guarantees from his allies for this war , please, i don't see how this should affect russia, the principle of women will still give birth he so to speak, for the russian federation it is basic and it has been since the time of the russian empire, not only since the time of the soviet union , so there will be no changes. that is, it will be the desire to destroy the artillery, everyth

mrs. rosales is a staunch proponent of ocii housing programs. over 3,000 housing units started construction during her term, of which 1/3 affordable to very low and low moderate income households. whereas, mrs. rosales has been a strong supporter to provide affordable housing opportunities to members of low income house holds displaced by the former agency and eligible to receive housing preference through ocii certificate of preference program. she consistently urged the mayor office of housing and community development, which provides services to market and lease up sponsored affordable housing units to fulfill their commitment to provide accessible user friendly and online access to housing applications and marketing information through the data base of affordable housing listings information and applications, the dahlia program. and whereas, mrs. rosales presence on the successor agency commission will be greatly missed by those who having businesses before the commission the public generally and her fellow commissioners and agency staff. her legacy includes the funding of thousands of affordable housing units, creation of numerous construction and perman

candidate is putting their foot in the water peered the governor of maryland, governor hogan, a moderate. i think mrst a republican, he is not going to put the foot in the water. lisa: how do you take a local appeal and brought it out more generally? ron desantis talking to california. a lot of analysis about how he missed a lot of the nuance and understandably -- the visceral response to how high housing costs are in some of the states and the reason why some people are coming to florida is not for some political or moral indictment. but, it is where it is cheaper. or, it was until people moved there. jonathan: taxes. tom: part of the matter. that is all there is to it. some people this money, the idea of mr. biden slowing down some form of taxes. greg tore him apart this morning. he said, it is dead on arrival. he said the budget today and tax lift. jonathan: aren't all of these budgets dead on arrival? tom: yes, and in england, as well. jonathan: the budgets usually get done in the u.k. parliament gets the majority, you just do it. lisa: [laughter] i feel aggrieved. jonathan: just a talking point

continue this war. it's the most strict way to kill time in moderation russia will be better uh small factor where there is a little and in the end dear mr's about the fact that the chinese representative of the chinese politburo's foreign department wang y carried out his raid after this, the so -called chinese peace plan was announced in europe, in fact it is very mysterious

mr. shellenberger, do you know how many were employed in content moderation during that time? >> i do not know. >> so we're looking at thousands of employees overall and hundreds in offices where the focus of e-mails and documents you released. i will ask you, mr. shellenberger, how many e-mails did mr. musk give you access to? >> i mean, we-- we went through thousands of e-mails. >> did you give you access to all of the e-mails for the time period in which-- >> we never had a single-- i never had a single request denied and not only that, the amount of files that we were given were so volumous, there was no way that anybody could have gun through them beforehand and no evidence that anything had been taken out. >> you believe that you would have probably millions of e-mails and documents, right? that's correct? >> millions too high. >> the number is less. >> hundred thousand? >> probably. >> probably close to hundred thousand both of you. >> and in the twitter files you've produced only 238 of those 100,000 e-mails, is that correct. >> that's correct. >> who gave you access to

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mr. hogan: it was a tough decision, but i have decided that i will not be a candidate for the republican nomination for president. lisa: as former maryland governor larry hogan, a moderate024 race for the white house. his concern, splitting the opposition to former president donald trump. mr. hogan: i didn't want to have a pileup of a bunch of people fighting. lisa: one potential candidate still deciding -- new hampshire governor chris sununu also wants to move past trump, but will back him if he wins the nomination. gov. sununu: yeah, look, i'm a lifelong republican. i'm going to support the republican nominee. lisa: this, as trump -- announcer: president donald j. trump! lisa: -- heard cheers saturday on political home turf. his speech at cpac, the conservative political action conference, was a mix of philosophy and fabrication. but something new -- the former president who once railed against mail-in and some early voting is changing strategy. mr. trump: republicans must compete using every lawful means to win. that means swamping the left with mail-in votes, early vote and election day votes. lisa: trump, in the midst of multiple investigations, told reporters he w

mr. vitaliy on this airwaves. and yet, it is more convenient for china. is lukashenko independent from putin or dependent? i think that uh, let's say moderatenko at all. because that is not lukashenko anymore, this strategy in general, lukashenko's success in life is dependent. and so lukashenko became the president of belarus in 1994. that's how he became economically dependent on russia. and it's absolutely obvious that china. it is important that one way or another the majority of the expenses for obtaining the belarusian regime should be borne by russia and china does not like to simply heat the air with yuan, this is a russian prevegative. but at the same time , it is important for china that belarus does not identify itself completely with russia, that is what is happening with chinese transit through belarus the ordinary chinese cannot like us. all border crossings are still being closed one by one. and it is absolutely obvious that the day will come when china will simply understand that it cannot transport anything through belarus. are there many european countries that are conscious counterparties to china? no, there are countries

try to threaten social media companies under the auspices of some sort of allowed content moderation. . >> a mr. -- the didn't threaten or chorus the platform. they attorney generals complain they lack a factual basis. you did mention, as i understand, it just last, week the district judge in that case denied the administration's motion to dismiss. doesn't that's and i'll meet the opposite of what mr. shelley testified? >> turn on your mic. is your mic on? >> our federal district judge came to the opposite conclusion. >> that conclusion is that the -- there is plausible, factually geisha, and in support of a legally sufficient legal theory. that this censorship scheme violates first amendment. can you summarize some of the allegations of fact concerning coercion and threats that you tended to the court to that conclusion? >> i preface that by saying that in fact there's more than one way you can violate the first amendment. there's coercion, joint precipitation, there is conspiracy there's deception, there is pervasive entwined met, there are a significant encouragement. even if we hadn't alleg

authorities are trying to moderate the further process of this process in internal political schedules, and this is definitely to some extent a burden on georgian society , mryr. and let's go back to the beginning and explain to our viewers why the authorities in georgia took up the idea of ​​a law on foreign agents in the first place and adopted, in fact, a format copied from russian legislation. with what this is connected rational explanation does not exist in my coordinate system. let's talk about the irrational. happening in the background, for example, i will rewind a little more in the background of the attitude of georgian society , i emphasize not georgian society, but official tbilisi to kyiv and to the russian war against ukraine, flirting with the kremlin there , not joining the sanctions, terrible communication and the like, there is no ambassador of ukraine in georgia, that is, between kyiv and tbilisi is cold, why is the cold war already happening on the other side? because mikhail saakashvili is sitting on a cigarette without political preferences and his ukrainian-georgian background is actually a shame for georgia, political preferences ar

moderate their platforms. it's not what it's doing. that's exactly what it was meant to do, but almost immediately, courts, mr. brad section $230.00 to immunize companies, or any decisions they made about publishing. 3rd party content. so since saw so much of what internet company do can be categorized as publishing 3rd party contact . section $230.00 has eliminated a lot of potential liability for tech companies. and as a result, it's incurred some pretty bad behaviors. that disproportionately impact marginalized groups. so for instance, 2nd to 30 as a lab tech companies to ignore and even encourage harassment and abuse on their services. because companies claim that the harm comes entirely from 3rd party content. so like there are no, no i was just given, sorry. i mean there of it's, it's almost a bit confusing. i want to try to clarify this a bit. maybe mcclin's you can help us out and then we'll, we'll dig a little bit deeper. does section $230.00, give free freedom to platforms, to kind of decide what content would be deemed, you know, acceptable for their, their space as their platforms and what content

moderation and it worked. stop trashing the economy. treasury department, i would go to my boss, president biden, and say, mr.tax cuts, not increases. let's cut a deal with the republicans on the debt ceiling. >> todd: both things, treasury and the fed, everything is natheba to the democratic party. >> steve: it will be trouble in 2024. >> ashley: your comments make me nervous. should americans be worried about their money? >> no, most people within the $250 range, so don't panic. people are spreading money around if they have cash among various banks covered by insurance. in terms of the economy, we are feeling rough water, there is a lot of great stuff going on if people get out of the way. >> todd: a house democrat lashing out at republicans trying to negotiate government spending before agreeing to raise the debt ceiling. listen to this. >> i got a great-granddaughter that falls out and screams when she can't have her way. i tell her, get up off of the floor, you are not going to get it. get up off the ground and pass this debt ceiling. >> todd: mr. steve forbes, labeled screaming toddler by the left. >>

mr. musk with twitter. the way he has taken away the key functions of the key regulations and the u.s. would like to see and moderation, that sounds familiar. am i drawing too many conclusions? >> the risk appetite is right. the disastrous thing in other domain musk goes in he has the crazy cavalier attitude to buy twitter for fun. >> $44 billion whatever. >> other people have thought about content moderation carefully and a steward in a democratic society he hadn't thought about it because he is happy to take risks. >> this is the point i was trying to get to the banking point. has the risk appetite of vcs great, which we need, has that now added extra risk because of the attitudes of the bankers because of taking on board of the vcs? they have all of the risks across the banking society as much, is that creating more problems for all of snus. >> i think with the bit of truth in what you say. just in 1999 with the tech bubble and that had a macro effect it disrupted the economic cycle for everybody. you take your swings you have the most vibrant tech sector in the world. it is envy of everybody. europe would love its

liabilities -- legal obligation to moderate content and flag misinformation to those platforms have? >> tell us about witnesses from those platforms you interviewed. mr. heaphy: officially, facebook, twitter, youtube very resistant to cooperate and we ultimately had to subpoena them for records. much like a lot of other individuals, they knew that by contesting the subpoenas with litigation, they could essentially run out the clock. so we were engaged in that with facebook and twitter when we ran out of time. so we never got official cooperation with the committee. thankfully there were people inside both companies, whistleblowers, who told us the truth. one woman recorded a twitter internal meeting from january 5 where she is saying, i'm seeing on the platform lots of people saying this is going to be violent, what are we doing about this? re: flagging them, or we cooperating with law enforcement? the response was, well, that's john's job and it doesn't start until 8:00 tonight, we will put a note in his box. so they were not sufficiently focused on the content that was playing on their own platform, that again we need to talk about have social medi

moderation. >> thank you. senator padilla had to leave and we'll convey your testimony to him. mr. lewis, do you want to answer that as well? >> i guess i would add, i agree with miss lewis, i guess what i would add is just that the language in the bill is so specific, mr. francis keeps pointing to the competition harm phrase, but i think it's very important that the attorney general, the federal anti-trust official would have to go to court and make a case for what is materially harming competition in the practice of the platform and so why read that phrase as referring to content moderation, but if someone wants to bring that case they would have to point to what that practice is. simply limiting someone's content that they posted online, i don't see how that hurts competition when there are so many places where you can post online and folks can create their own websites, there's great opportunity to speak. proving that case seems very hard, i think that's what miss lewis means by impractical. >> and we note that the attorney general, the justice department supports this bill as

moderation requests from every form of government. >> you are not going to tell us when musk first approached you. >> you are asking me to reveal a source. >> do you consider mr. musk to be the direct source of all of this. >> you are trying to get me to say he is the source. dan: the police state is here. ignore this at your own peril, and it's look for a crime. if we don't fight back, the police state will grow bigger and more powerful. joining me is the journalist you just heard testify on capitol hill, journalist matt taibbi. thanks for your time. i have been concerned about this i am bthissynbiosis between the. how does it work which results in content being pulled down? >> originally what we thought was going on was that only the fbi and dhs maybe, and maybe a few other agencies were directly telling companies like twitter to pull down a few accounts here and there. but as time went on we learned that actually there was a whole complex of organizations and ngos, a lot of them are state funded, some of them are entirely state funded sending huge lists of names to these companies. that's the primary rout by which people are taken off places like twitter o

moderator, please unmute him first and then go to caller 4 to see if that person is also gotten accommodation. >> this is patrick again. code ww. >> thank you. >> mr. pickens continues asserting that cms and (indiscernible) still haven't accepted the revised closure plan. it is inconceivable 6 weeks after the requested changes were submitted to cdgh and cms february 2, that 2 it still hasn't approved the closure plan. i submitted a complaint asserting that laguna honda, dph and this commission are potentially violating the settlement agreement paragraph 41 requiring all parties and sig tories to the agreement to release documents under law and our local sunshine ordinance. in past meetings, i noticed mr. pickens is referred to as a doctor. unless mr. pickens holds a ph.d, his salutation should be mr., not doctor. good hearing him say though that you are doing everything he can to save the 120 beds. the city attorney should submit a letter immediately seeking a waver under cfr paragraph 483.90f3iii dated march 3, 2023 that says all you have to do is submit a written waver outlining why (indiscernible) three room suites will not cause residents any

mr belinsky after he is in moscow. basic stephanie if he's welcome in kiev, i'm i'm guessing not because he wouldn't appear to be an impartial moderator. that's for sure. um you know, it's a bad look for vladimir putin. i don't think you to us in the west. i don't think he really here's uh, and the russian government his regime. doesn't really care in in terms of the countries that they are most closely interacting with. um you know iran, china not exactly a great human rights record, either. um so, um, i think it's important symbolically. it may make him slightly, um, less welcome in some parts of the world and complicate his life. but if he spent the rest of his days in russia, i don't think he'd be terribly unhappy a lot to watch moving forward as it relates to vladimir putin. stanford's dr kathryn stoner. thank you so much for your expertise, sanford thinking the time tonight. my pleasure. thank you. and you say bill would protect doctors who male abortion pills to people in other states. east bay state senator nancy skinner has introduced this legislation it would prevent california from extraditing doctors who faced charges and

former maryland moderate republican governor larry hogan deciding not to run for fear of dividing the anti-trump vote he said, as other potential candidates avoid challenging mr. trump and his maga loyalists, who turned out for the cpac forum to hear the former president this weekend. >> i am your warrior. i am your justice, and for those who i've been wronged and betrayed, i am your retribution. i am your retribution. i'm not going to let this happen. >> and joining me now, vaughn hillyard who was at the cpac forum, national political correspondent ashley parker and charly sikhs. vaughn you spent the weekend there and you've been there before. it was different this year, sparsely attended. lot of major players not there. as we saw the divide between club for growth and cpac on the same weekend different stages. >> others ceded the forum to donald trump literally. it was his show, his allies on the stage there, and those in attendance, you know, great number of them, i spoke to, i said, what do you think about ron desantis, mike pence not being here? and it wasn't necessarily -- the feedback wasn't we don't like ron desantis or mike pence, it was disappointme