>>> mr moran? we had some correspondence from ca and we have had some discussion about that ask is there any reason we should not accept their rep. daks, no not at all. >> then i'll like touses do that and i don't know if we need do that by resolution by by whenever form is on the list. >>> the last time you approved the program changes you had in the resolution included the recommendation by ba. w s c a. >> any further questions for ms. labonte? already ms., jensen? >>> thank you mr. president and members of the commission. i want to make a couple of points first of all, your staff has been helpful and cooperative in terms of our review and looking at what the project entails and where the program stands and some of our questions, i think you put much more simply mr. president when you said do you have enough money can you find it all and the answer to that question is what we would like brought back in the tabular form so we can all see had a and be assures and your second question is is it going

. >> off motion mr. moran? >>> i move that we amend the resolution to adopt the recommendations. >> the date of the letter is january 16th 2013. >> thank you. written by bawsca. already movement and seconded public comments? . >> i would like to. >>> you sure can. >>> i would like to say that it was an excellent letter and brought to my issues to my concern, and to my attention and i would like to know when we will be receiving a list of the items you just set forth in letter form that would -- [inaudible]. >> the bawsca letter outlined some deadline and i intend to meet those dead lines the other thing that i will do if you want, and if the general manager is in agreement would be to brief you every two weeks on the progresses being made but for sure as i mentioned we will ameliorate all of the dead lines and i think some of them were in the february or and i'll make sure that we meet those dead lines. >> good and i would like to add to that, that i think we should look at the five project that we have in prec

and so mr. moran races a good point if you bring up the most average and cost effective which hetchy is the most cost effective in california and it's an amazing system but i can't tell you it's firm for the next ten or 20 years and you will see that in one of the slides in the consumptions is that ap i has assumed that we have relatively standard prices and relatively affordable hetchy and that it's form year after year and that is a risk had a i can't mitigate away without collateral or or reserves. >> and typically what we do on that is we have a farming contract that says, where hetchy cannot meet the load. somebody else will and we can lock in the price for that. >>> that is typically always more expensive and so in the last ten-seven years, we typically had to buy at six to 7 cents per kilowatt hour and we are always trying to sell it at four so we are trying to maximize for hetch hetch worry and but which are having to buy when others have to buy too and so the risk is all a material matter to

. >> all right we have on the floor a motion as amendment aimed by mr. moran and seconded by mr. kane any other motion? all those in favor? motion carry,. >> item 12. >> approval the plans and specifications for contract wd 25 thrive in the a 31,372,335 is the contractor of 720 sective calendar days. i don't have any presentation, i would be happy to then answer any questions you have on this particular item. >>> you guys are eds today all right is there a motion? >> second. public comments? all right there being on all those in favor signify by saying aye. >> oppose? motion carries item 13. >> authorize the general manager to negotiate and execute an amendment to the 2009 water supply agreement. >> >>> steve rich aye a manager for water and this item representseses a proposed amendment to the 2009 water supply agreement and back acheally for us to deal with as it was discussed in proposition -- that the wholesale customers as a voice or clear recourse in dealing with that situation and so we developed a mechanism so wholesale customers can be protected in the future consideratio

. >> commissioner moran. >> mr. president, a couple of items under communication, "f" and "g" are basically the water supply report. i have reviewed those and had some conversations with staff. i think there is a couple of areas where the reports are incomplete. and other areas because of that incompleteness they are misleading. i would like to ask those reports be revised and reissued in january to correct those issues. >> items "f" and "g," that's the order without objection. >> and the other thing as we talk about regional water supply, i mentioned before that, we have our own plans of how we develop that supply, and boska has their own. another thing i would like to see in january is a discussion for the most appropriate way for us to coordinateinate our planning efforts with boska, with respect to the regional water supply. if you add that. >> without objection, that's the order, and for "f" and "g." any other comments from any other members? other commission business? >> commissioner caen. >> i have one thing,

mr. moran: i know mr. bishop has been involved in the legislative process long enough to know that process and regular order can be one of the most difficult ways of preventing anything from getting done. and i will not challenge him now to tell us how many things have been held up that thought they could get through regular order in a reasonable period of time. we have an emergency here. this is urgent to repair these seashores. national parks and national seashores and national wildlife refuges are great assets to our communities. they increase property values and enhance our quality of life. now it's clear that public lands and natural systems that they protect buffer built-up areas from the impact of storms and play a very important role. so we need to restore them. and restoration of these public resources will require a specific targeted strategy. but a prohibition on land acquisition may very well fruss tate the ability to bring back the public value of existing park and refuge lands and meet commun

moran. >> thank you, mr. chair. there is a danger when you let people with whiskers in the room, they remind of you what is going on for a long time and not always pretty. i could hear commissioner's caen's blood boiling for a while there. and my memory of our discussion in may is fairly similar to what mr. catikin communicateded to us. what started with a discussion about mou, turned into a discussion whether or not rec park was an agency that could do a job. and the showing at that meeting was pretty dismal. and we asked that rec/park come back to us in a short period of time. nomally six months. and show us a plan for what they were going to do. and action they had taken. and demonstrate and show us they were capable of stepping up and doing the job. progress has been made. that particular showing has not happened. i look at this, i think it's very clear that we own the land. i think it's very clear that we have a responsibility for maintaining the watershed and the assets that are there. both the underground and

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now that it's an enterprise department and i know that mr. moran is looking at me with big eyes, and that's rightly so. now that this is an enterprise department we need some sense about our assets. so i was at the last meeting, and i missed the first portion where (inaudible) and i was there in the succession portion with lafco, and i strongly feel that hetch hetchy was taken, and all the mandates laid down in the regular act, which people do not want to read. which we should read. are to focus on hydroelectricity. and how much of that can we increase to bring here to the city. we are not paying attention to it. we are like arbitrarily thinking if they pay us something, we can be content. we need to revisit that. now

mr. moran: i hope the gentleman would recognize, as mr. connolly and mr. lynch recognized, there are serious risks going forward with this. i don't think the way to solve our deficit situation is to cut off our nose to spite our face. this is what we're doing. this is not fair to the federal work force. it's not fair to the country. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's time has expired. the gentleman from california. mr. issa: mr. speaker, as i note once again that this is half a percent that will not be increased by this action. half a percent. so on $100,000 it's $500 of a pay raise that will not occur for federal workers that in fact the sky is not falling if we choose not to have that happen this year. with that i'd like to yield a minute and a half to the gentleman from texas, mr. flores. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas is recognized for a minute and a half. mr. flores: thank you, mr. speaker. our nation is on the verge of going over a fiscal cliff because washington has a spending problem. president obama still does not understa

. >> @ i yield one minute -- i yield one minute to mr. moran. >> thank you, mr. chairman. tonight we will pass 83 provisions that removed a revenue. totaling $3.90 trillion. all of the deficit financed. we will add $64 billion for this year to reducing the deficit, so we have a $1.30 trillion annual deficit this year. that will bring it down to $1.24 trillion. many of us feel on this side that deficit does not matter, but it does matter because we have another deficit -- a deficit in the investment and education of our children. a deficit in the training and skills of our work force, and the physical infrastructure of our country. we will have none of those resources to make that investment after we make this vote tonight. the problem is, we have set up three more fiscal cliffs. we will have to deal with the debt ceiling, we will have to deal with the continuing resolution expiration, and we will have to deal with the sequestered. all that is left is spending cuts. the only question we have to ask ourselves is, what programs do we cut and how deep do we cut them? we have t

mr. moran. the chair: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for two minutes. mr. moran: welcome a new running backing member of the full appropriations committee -- ranking member of the full appropriations committee who also hails from new york and full ynds what's involved here. -- fully understands what's involved here. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. that's what all the members of this body should ask themselves . if they were in the situation of the states that were so severely impacted by hurricane sandy, how would they vote? the fact is that natural disasters are occurring with more frequency and with greater severity. and so there's a very good chance that in nearly every congressional district in this country this may happen to you. and of course when it does, property values go way down. in fact, billions of dollars can be lost, certainly were with hurricane sandy. so where does the municipality get the money to repair? likewise with the state. the only place yo

mr. moran. the chair: the gentleman from virginia is recognized for two minutes. mr. moran: welcome a new running backing member of the full appropriations committee -- ranking member of the full appropriations committee who also hails from new york and full ynds what's involved here. -- fully understands what's involved here. do unto others as you would have them do unto you. that's what all the members of this body should ask themselves . if they were in the situation of the states that were so severely impacted by hurricane sandy, how would they vote? the fact is that natural disasters are occurring with more frequency and with greater severity. and so there's a very good chance that in nearly every congressional district in this country this may happen to you. and of course when it does, property values go way down. in fact, billions of dollars can be lost, certainly were with hurricane sandy. so where does the municipality get the money to repair? likewise with the state. the only place yo

mr. moran: mr.aker, the deal that republican senate leader mitch mcconnell was able to get his colleagues to pass last nightle is a bad deal for america -- last night is a bad deal for america and a worse deal for our children's future. it's the largest increase in public debt that this body will have ever passed. more than $5 trillion from today's current law. our deficit this year alone is likely to be about $1.3 trillion. this would reduce it down to $1.24 trillion. with the $60 billion of new revenue that it gains. most importantly it sets up three more fiscal cliffs over the next three months. when appropriation spending expires on march 27, when the debt ceiling has to be increased at the end of february, and when the sequester has to be dealt with at the very same time. so all we have done is to stumble forward and to an even less predictable situation with far fewer resources to invest in our nation and our children's future. thank you, mr. speaker. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman's t

levin: i yield one minute to the gentleman from virginia, mr. moran. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. moran: tonight, we will pass 83 provisions that remove federal revenue totaling $9.3 trillion. all of the deficit financed. we will add billions more this year to reducing the deficit, so if we have a $1.3 trillion deficit this year, it will bring it down to $1.24 trillion. many of us feel that deficits doesn't matter, but it does matter, because we have another deficit, we have a deficit in the education of our children. and investment in the infrastructure of our country and we will have none of those resources to make that investment after we make this vote tonight. and the problem is we set up three more fiscal cliffs. we have to deal with the debt ceiling. we are going to have to deal with the continuing resolution expiration and we are going to have to deal with the sequester. and all that's left is spending cuts. the only question we have to ask ourselves, what programs do we cut and how deep do we cut. we

mr. moran: mr. president, thank you. all of us in our lives from time to time hear of the passing, the death of someone we know. sometimes it's family. often friends, someone we're only vaguely acquainted with. this past week we learned of the death of a kansas city resident, adell hall. that passing is so personally sad -- saddens me because adell hall is such a person, a person with such optimism and so engaged in improving the lives of others. kansas city in fact lost one of their greatest champions when adell hall passed away. she was a longtime resident of kansas city, and adell was well known and well loved, highly respected for her acts of service and kindness to others. when she wasn't serving on a board of a nonprofit, she was raising funds for a worthy cause or volunteering with children. my guess is that she probably was doing all those things at once. adell, i'm sure had the financial resources to live a life different than in service to others, but she chose to commit her life to making sure that others had

. >> mr. moran. >> columbine high school had an entire police force at virginia chadwick.but what i would like to principally focused on an old directives to mayor said for being from virginia. philadelphia, d.c. and other major cities have the toughest guy mosque, but look at all the gun crime. virginia is one of the major problems because what happens even though governor wilde passed a law limiting handguns to an amount, date and reverse the virginia legislature and so now people will go and another thick and show her or whatever, often time stop to buy cases of guns, transport them up 95 and then find a street corner, open up the trunk and saw the guns. i'd like to mayor to address the phenomenon and white demands federal legislation. thank you. >> mr. kildee, one minute. unless the mayor to answer questions first because he has to leave. >> panel comic thank you for your present during testimony. i represent flint michigan, where over the last two years on the one in every 540 residents have been slain an amazing statistic. i talked to her prosecutor today. his concer

moran. >> thank you mr. president. i would like to move the resolution of this in front of us. >> is there a second? >> second. >> moved and seconded. any opposition? any discussion? any public comment? called roll. >> president torres. >> aye. >> commissioner. >> aye. commissioner. >> aye. >> motion carries. i think we're adjourned. >> okay. very good. thank you very much. i am very excited to see that go forward. thank you commissioners. let's go to our next item. >> item number six public comment. >> this is a chance to comment on any item not on the agenda, any item before us. >> the lafco committee that has been established all over california have an very important role to play, and there is a channel 108 that shows the deliberations of the lafco and what happens in sacramento. here in san francisco we just take it for granted when we get our hydro electricity and when we get our hetch hetchy water delivered to our taps, and i think it's high time because how the rich folks at one time went to congress and dammed

. >> mr. moran. >> thank you. two things. columbine high school.we had an entire police school at virginia tech. but what i would like to principally focus on -- and i'll direct this to mayor nutter -- being from virginia, invariablely the n.r.a. points out philadelphia and d.c. and other major cities saying they have the toughest gun laws but look at all the gun crime. virginia is one of the major problems because what happens, even though governor wilder limited handguns to one a month, they reversed it, the virginia legislature. so now people will go in and whether it's a gun show or whatever, buy cases of guns, transport them up 95 and then find a convenient urban street corner, open up the trunk and sell the guns. so i'd like the mayor to address that phenomenon and why it demands federal legislation. thank you. >> mr. kildee one minute and then i'll ask -- i am going to ask the mayor to answer the question first because he'll have to leave. mr. kildee. >> thank you, panel. thank you for your presence here and your testimony. i represent flint

>> mr. moran. >> thank you. two things. we have an entire police force at virginia tech, armed guards at columbine. but what i would like to principally focus on, i'll direct this to mayor nutter. being from virginia. invariably the n.r.a. says, points out philadelphia an texas and other major cities saying they have the toughest gun laws but look at all the gun crime. virginia is one of the major problems. because what happens even though governor wilder passed a law limiting handguns to one gun a month, they then reversed it, ve virginia legislature. so now people will go in, whether it's a gun show or whatever, oftentimes they buy cases of guns, transport them up 95, and then find a convenient urban street corner, open up the trunk and sell the guns. i'd like tomeior to address that phenomenon and why it demands federal legislation. >> mr. kildee, one minute. i'm going to ask the mayor to answer questions first because he's going to have to leave. mr. kildee? >> thank you. panel, thank you for your presence here and your

. >> commissioner moran and commissioner courtney. >> thank you, mr. president. first of all, thank you for all of that reading material. [laughter] >> i was looking for things to do. and actually, i think your characterization of it was very helpful. it is a -- what's being proposed is a paradigm shift. that takes us perhaps out of our comfort zone, but that's what we need to look at. that's not a bad thing. it's just it is very good and very different. and the challenges of it, i what just beginning to appreciate as i was going through that. retail electrical generation puts me in mind if there were suggestions from time to time that instead of improving treatment at our water treatment plants, we should put water treatment facilities under every sink in the city. and it's somewhat similar to that. and the logistical demands of how you do that in various -- not all sinks are the same. not all property owners are the same. how you service that with a work force that is limited the number of trucks. that sort of thing. it's a very different proposal and that's th

. >> commissioner moran and commissioner courtney. >> thank you, mr. president. first of all, thank you for all