mr. morell said, this is a way of slow walking some of the changes.e can appear to embrace some big broader changes, but say look, this requires congressional action. congress is not exactly up for the task. >> you are under valuing what he did, because i do think once again that the question of judicial involving inquirying these huge databases which is going to happen with or without congressional action. it is a big deal. >> also did set some changes in motion, for example, by requiring judicial review before querying the database. congress is not obligated but now it's being done if no great calamity comes. that may have actual affect whether -- regardless of -- >> schieffer: the other thing is, this is inside baseball, but it's very important. the president is really bolstered up his congressional teeth, he's put in a new congressional relations guy, new white house lobbyist on capitol hill. people outside say, come on, that's not a big deal. it's a very big deal because i had democrats and republicans coming up to me last year saying they didn't

mr. morell were not there. but mr. more ll, particularly for your ears, i think what we thought in reading the report and in listening to the testimony was that the group didn't want the program to continue. and then i read your op-ed piece in the wall street journal. -- excuse me, in the "washington post" and i would like to read parts of it and see if the committee agrees, if i may. several news outlets have reported that the review group has called for an end to the program. we did not do that. we called for a change in approach rather than a whole sale rejection to better protect the privacy and civil liberties of americans key values of our republic and we recommended that the government no longer hold the data and that it be required to obtain an individual court order, which i want to ask about, for each search but make no mistake, the review group reaffirmed that the program should remain a tool of our government in the fight against terrorism. then you go on. another misperception involved is the review group'

mr. morell, in your view, did the surveillance of prime minister merkel meet the standards you are suggesting? >> i can't confirm or deny the surveillance of any foreign leader. i would say that i think it is important policymakers make decisions about collection at that level. that has not been the case here before. >> the review group also recommended extending the oftection of the privacy act 1974 to foreign citizens. is there a precedent for the government to extend privacy protections for foreign citizens? >> on the privacy act, the department of homeland security has had a policy that should be adopted more broadly which is when there was a mixed system of records and there are u.s. and non-us people, then the non-us people should have access as well. we are building on that precedence. >> thank you. >> thank you all. -- i regret that that osama bin laden brings us to the airport about an hour earlier than we were supposed to. i regret that edward snowden brings us today but i think we have food knowledge -- acknowledge this. there is a public question about privacy and whether the gove

bill: that is michael morell, a former acting cia director and member of the president's review board on the nsa. this as we hear from mra's plan to revamp the spy agency. one of the nsa's most outspoken critics is republican senator rand paul from kentucky. welcome to you this morning. you have a president trying to satisfy world leaders, based on reports they have given him an earful about this. you have civil liberties as a question mark and question also about national security. what is he going to do, senator? >> well i don't think you can expect the fox to guard the henhouse. you can't expect the fox to oversee the henhouse. so really congress needs to step up. we need to rein in the nsa. i'm all for spying on terrorists but i don't think we're catching any terrorists by spying on every american. think about it. all those phone records we collected for five years, do you think there is a terrorist anywhere in the world using the sail phone twice? you think there is terrorist has the same phone they were using five years ago? i don't think there is one terrorist that has been stopped by any of this data. it is extr