mr. morell to follow up on mr. lobiondo's questioned the reason the perpetrators have not been brought to justice yet is because they are not labeled al-qaeda by the united states government. isn't that right? >> at sir i don't know that. >> but the cia, you know this. the cia did consider them to be al-qaeda didn't they? see what we said and what the analysts still believe is that the attackers that night, some of them were affiliated with al-qaeda. >> i want to switch topics here. he participated in your testimony and the deputies committee on september 12. you don't mention it but you also participated in the deputies call on the 13th. who else participated in that call? >> which one? >> on the 12th in the 13th? p. i don't remember in detail cermak who participated. >> can you be more specific? was anyone from tripoli on those calls? beyond the 12th i am certain of it because i was in i ran at the time and i remember that both the chief of station and the deputy chief of mission were on and i believe they were a

mr. morell. i want to thank and commend the chairman and the ranking member for the work they have put on .he legislation ending double data program and the data being held by the government. i appreciate that and appreciate your insight. hopefully, going forward we will pass legislation soon. the programright, is vital to our national security, but the american people have to have confidence that we're doing it the right way and it will never be abused. i think this is the right path forward. thank you for your work on that bill with us. that was an important piece of legislation moving forward. it would not have happened without your help. mr. king? >> so many questions from beginning to end on this whole issue of the talking points. to believe your version would require almost absolute faith in your word. paragraph of your statement, you say you value the ability to communicate with congress and general and this committee in particular. you were sitting at the table along with other officials

mr. morell thank you for being here in your years of service to the cia. i wanted to stand that are the deputies meeting on the 13th and your subsequent edits to the talking points. were you all having daily deputy meetings at this time? >> yes sir we were having twice daily deputy meetings. >> so twice a day on the 13th on the 14th of the 15th you would have these videoconference meetings in which you participated as a deputy for the cia? >> that's correct. >> i assume there would you deputy from state and defense as well as members of the white house national security staff. >> via the i, doj, nctc. >> so as we reviewed the e-mails e-mails -- let me backup back up for just a minute. as best you remember the deputies meetings the two deputies meetings on the 14th ipers m. benghazi had to be a major issue that you all discussed. >> it was not sir. we were not looking backwards at that point. we were looking forward so the focus of all of these deputy meetings particularly the ones on saturday a

mr. morell. but the problem is that you have all of these conflicting stories. the stories that you talked with senators and what mr. keen brought up, they were changed by the fbi, not the white house. later you took responsibility for that and then there is other contradictions about whether or not in the talks points about whether the white house was involved or not. all of this could be false but i lead your testimony and you have an excuse for everything. forrering, fofor everything, wh, but when the chairman asks you about when you sat next to jim clapper in november of 2012, you don't have an excuse, you only have an apology. >> i have an explanation of why i did not say anything in response to the question, who took al qaeda out of the talking points because i did not know at the time who did that. my apology -- >> you sat in front of our committee in november of 20123 an2012and you wouldn't have hade here today if you said what you knee at the time. >> i don't believe that at all, sir. i would be here anyway. the only thing i would be able to say at the t

mr. morell third committee testimony he will give. two of them happened in classified session the tway should to protect classified information and the individuals involved. this is that first open hearing for the highest highest official involved in the benghazi event and i think it's important to set the station but that question has to be answered. it absolutely has to be answered. >> there is a chance he will take the fifth. if he lies to you. >> i hope he doesn't do that he told us that he is going to come and be truthful i have encouraged them to show up and be get the truth out and put the thing behind us and country by determining the truth. the folks on the ground the cite people were telling the state's people hey you need to change your configuration here it's really dangerous. they asked for help and didn't get it all of that leads up to the day of 9/11. so, certainly decisions were made in the state department that i at least argue are complies politic in the murder of those four individuals at least negligence was involv

mr. morell. with all your years in the c.i.a., who is the one person that you would count on the most to get your information from anything that happened in country where he was the station chief? >> i'm sorry. could you ask the question again? >> who would you go to to get the most accurate information if you wanted to find out about an incident that happened in country? >> i would -- if i'm looking for the c.i.a.'s judgment about what happened in a particular case, i would go to my analysts. >> not to people that were on the ground? >> the chief of station's view is very important. but it is not determinative. >> so the analyst that is not there, he is the most important? >> sir, there are two sides to the central intelligence agency. there is an operations side and there is an analytic side that makes analytic judgments. >> ok. this analyst, was he the gentleman that was at the roundtable with director petraeus on the 11th? >> the senior that i spoke about who did the first draft of the talkin

mr. morell. with all your years in the c.i.a., who is the one person that you would count on the most to get your information from anything that happened in country where he was the station chief? >> i'm sorry. could you ask the question again? >> who would you go to to get the most accurate information if you wanted to find out about an incident that happened in country? >> i would -- if i'm looking for the c.i.a.'s judgment about what happened in a particular case, i would go to my analysts. >> not to people that were on the ground? >> the chief of station's view is very important. but it is not determinative. >> so the analyst that is not there, he is the most important? >> sir, there are two sides to the central intelligence age sifment there is an operations side and there is an analytic side that makes analytic judgments. >> ok. this analyst, was he the gentleman that was at the roundtable with director petraeus on the 1th? >> the senior that i spoke about who did the first draft of the tal

mr. morell before this committee to talk about benghazi. my keelings with him mr. st and forthcoming and i expect he well do so again today. after today i hope we get back to our more pressing work on committee, overseeing intelligence community, passing intelligence authorization acts and improving cybersecurity and reforming fisa. thank you, mr. morell for be willing to come before the committee even after you retired. your service to this country over 30 years has been exemplary and we owe people you and in cia led especially those employed in the hot spots around the world a tremendous debt of gratitude. mr. chairman, and i yield back. >> thank you for the kind words, mr. ruppersberger. we have continued to work in bipartisan way and continue to that you will be ranking member and i will be chairman. thank you for that. before turning to our witness, as this is an investigative hearing we're going to swear the witness in before he testifies. this is the prerogative of every committee chair it has not been custom here at the intelligence committee. so while it is

mr. morell, for coming. with all your years of the cia, who is the one person you account on the most to get your information from anything that happened in a country where he was the station chief? >> address the question again? >> who did you go to to get the most accurate information if you're going to find out about an incident that happened in the country? >> if i were looking for the cia's judgment about what happened in a particular case, i would go to the analysts. >> that two people on the ground. >> the cheapest station's view is very important, but not determinative. >> said the analyst is not there. >> there were two sides to the central intelligence agency. as an operation site that collects agents in an analytic side that makes analytic judgment. >> okay. this analyst, was he the gentleman that was that the brand stable with director petraeus on the 13th? >> senior analyst i spoke about who did the first draft on the talking points, the director of our office of terrorism analysis is a one-man

mr. morell. i just wanted to clarify to make sure that i understood what you said concord that whether it was the information for the people on the ground the station chief for instance we have information that a cable since september 12 by the cia station chief reported eyewitness confirmed the participation of islamic militants and made clear they facilities had come under terrorist attack. that was clearly sent by the station chief. we know the rso on the ground the chief of days the political officers the grs officers, again the ddd chief all of them on the ground say the same thing but i thought i heard you say mr. morell that the information taken from eyewitnesses on the ground wasn't given to your analysts, but they looked at the press reports, that the intelligence products signet humid. >> maam what you have to understand mayhem is that the information did not come all at one time. the information came in pieces over time and when the analysts wrote their piece on the 12th that was publ

mr. morell was very chairitable to the state department after the attack. what is the headline for you on the hear something >> is that former deputy director of the cia defended his conduct and said politics were never injected into the analysis of what happened at benghazi but he was forced to admit he was told by the cia station chief on the ground in triopoli there had been no protests and he, morell decided to disregard that and to with the judgment of the intelligence community saying no, there was a protest he took their word. this is in essence akin to pleading over crook. there is certain thing that's morell said that be open to question. his assertions the white house made no substantive changes to the famous benghazi talking points we've shown in our reporting how jn brennan struck a reference to broad sectors of the libyan society. this is 11 of many changes made by the white house. >> all right. now, morell came off as a wishy washy kind of guy. because he said well, i believe it was terror. nochlt blah blah, but i believe there was a demonstra

mr. morell said that when susan rice on 16 september said that the protests was caused by video, mr. said the cia never told her that a video caused a protest. where did she get the information about a video? she also said that the con salute was strongly substantially and significantly secured. who told her that? that's not in the talking points. here is what i would say to speaker boehner there is a conflict of interest all staring us in the face. the lead investigator for the republican house intel committee is now in business with mike morell. the lead investigator of the house republican intelligence committee is also in business with hillary clinton's gate keeper. i think this justifies a new process and a new look. you're losing a lot of information by doing this in a segmented fashion. if you had had the station chief at this hearing when the station chief auto school -- at this hearing. it would have made mike morell's testimony look differently. >> i have got to go or we are going to get cut off. >> i'm sorry. >> that's all right. nice to see you sir. >> we need a select com

mr. morell was very chairitable to the state department after the attack. what is the headline for you on the hear something >> is that former deputy director of the cia defended his conduct and said politics were never injected into the analysis of what happened at benghazi but he was forced to admit he was told by the cia station chief on the ground in triopoli there had been no protests and he, morell decided to disregard that and to with the judgment of the intelligence community saying no, there was a protest he took their word. this is in essence akin to pleading over crook. there is certain thing that's morell said that be open to question. his assertions the white house made no substantive changes to the famous benghazi talking points we've shown in our reporting how jn brennan struck a reference to broad sectors of the libyan society. this is 11 of many changes made by the white house. >> all right. now, morell came off as a wishy washy kind of guy. because he said well, i believe it was terror. nochlt blah blah, but i believe there was a demonstra

mr. morell, i'm going back again to this intelligence report that you used on september 13th called extremist capitalized on benghazi protests. that's the one you used, correct? >> uh-hm. >> and you were quick to point out there was no mention of a video in that. >> correct. >> but you failed to mention there were two other cia pieces produced on the 12th both mentioned the, quote, recently released flamer to video, unquote. were you aware of these two products that were published on september 12th? >> probably. i don't know in what context those references were made. >> so, if the reference to benghazi protest wasn't related to the video, what type of protest did your analysts believe it was in reference to? >> their view what motivated the attackers that night changed overtime. what they said on the 13th was that the attackers -- >> you can't have it both ways. >> look. are you going to let me answer the question? >> i will. but you can't have it both ways. >> i'm not trying to have it beth ways. i'm trying to explain the facts. on the 13th analysts said what motivated the attackers is what

. >> mr. morel told us that the fbi did the talking points and then later in his view corrected the record. obviously, he didn't correct the record. >> morel now works for a d.c. company with close ties with clinton. >> i believe this conflict of interest justifies a new set of eyes, justifies a select committee. >> another lawmaker went further, emphasizing that the house committee's former republican staff director michael allen has gone into business with others he once investigated. >> he's gone into a group that has been formed for one purpose and one purpose only and that seems to make sure that they can protect and smooth the pathway for hillary clinton to be our nx president in 2016. >> earlier in the day, house democrats blasted republican colleagues. >> we've had enough of the false statements, enough of the partisanship and enough of trying to use this terrible national security incident for political gain. >> some of the democrats have said why are we continuing to investigate this? we h

mr. morell to talk about benghazi.after today i hope we get back to the more pressing work of the committee overseeing the committee passing intelligence authorization act improving cybersecurity. in the meantime let me say thank you for being so willing to come before the committee even after you have retired. your service to the country over 30 years has been exemplary and we know you and the people in the cia that led especially those deployed in hotspots around the world determined instead of gratitude. mr. chairman, thank you and i yield back. >> thank you for the kind words. one thin big of the committees e have a bipartisan way and we will continue doing that in the remaining months that he will be the ranking member and i will be chairman. thank you for that. before turning to the witness, this is an investigative hearing. we are going to swear the witness said before he testifies. this is the prerogative of every committee chair. while it is always against the wall to provide false statements to congress, the

. >> this is not the first time mr. morel has been on the hill. and in a perfect world, what do you expect to learn from him tomorrow? >> in a perfect world we tell the truth. i have to shout out for cathrein on fox. she's been ahead of this story all along. and everything she came up with, it has proven thorough. mike morel, we'll see what comes out. it looks like and smells like he cooked the books for political reasons. we'll so what the ultimate judgment is. that concerns me as a former inteleigence professional. one thing you don't want to do to this country, is turn intelligence in politics and polit sideways. it the president has to hear the truth and by the way, except when there is an urgent need to dope the secret. the president has to tell the truth to the american people. it locks like intelligence was politicalizeda on the highest levels of the cia and they lied to the american people knowingly. >> why is it a conflict of interest? on one hand they are supposed to provide information to the white house. are they not supposed to have a

and he is going to say well then i asked mike morell and mike morell said well, there could have been this and there could have been that, mresident. it seems to me you are never going to nail down a sole villain here. >> the headline from today, bill is morell took the fall for hillary clinton and barack obama. that's what this is. it can't be lost on people that his current job is working for four individuals who started a consulting company. three of whom are major hillary supporters. >> he pointed that out, yes. absolutely. >> one philip reigns is the gate keeper for hillary clinton. this is the narrative that if hillary clinton decides to run for president in 2016, this will be the narrative. and they will blame it on some bureaucrats at langley here in america who came up with an inclusion that it was protester. so they will point to some underlings, rather than they had knowledge. even the state department during the attack, bill, put out two cables that said they -- number one, they knew it was terrorism and, number two, they knew that it could be ansar al al sharia al qaeda group. >> morell took that out. >> morell

mr. morell didn't have to change because you made the changes for them. >> that's the point. that's why you're in front of this committee today. you made significant substantive changes for the white house. whether it was on behalf we don't know. we know you are the one who made the changes. >> if you look at the record, you will see changes i made were fully consistent with what our analysts believed at the time, period. >> analysts part of beaurocracy not individuals on the ground with eyewitness testimony and who as early as september 12th sent you a cable it was not a protest and it was, in fact, an attack. those were potentially ignored. >> time to bring in chris plante radio talk show host and a fox news contributor. great to see both of you. chris, this was intense. it was hard to turn away watching questioning of mike moree of it? >> he's threading a needle, a very difficult needle. this whole thing stinks. mike morell left central intelligence agency, works for moneymaking advisory in washington, d.c. with a couple former hillary clinton staffers and former chief of

mr. morell don't know what's going on. >> senators ayotte, graham and mccain put out a lengthy statement.dn't buy the testimony today and said quote this looks an awful lot like misleading congress. >> well, it was and i think morell actually admitted when he said that he sat by clamp when clapper when asked who changed the talking points clapper said i don't know who changed the al qaeda reference. clapper said i don't know. morell is sitting right there. he not only knows, he is the guy who does the majority of the cuts. he does nothing. he says i should have said. well, the fact is by not saying he deliberate bradley allowed congress to reach a false conclusion and that sort of changes the nature of oversight. it turns it into a prosecutorial adventure. democrats complain they are being tough on the witnesses. if the witnesses are going to play by the book and not enlighten the committee as to what they know, unless nailed on the perfect question, you are going to get this kind of withholding evidence and misleading testimony. >> quickly, steve? >> yeah, i think one of the interesting

mr. morell threw the analysts under the bus which was cowardly but that's to be expected.d until this point that the cia was so concerned about the sensitivity of the state department. come on. you know. the conversation got moved forward a bit. but i'm still not very satisfied. bill: the questions about the talking points were numerous. at one point he said, just top characterize and paraphrase his words. he says he took out the refns to extreme d the reference to extremists because we were dealing with protests. and he did not want to inflame those tensions. what did you think when you heard that. >> i thought that was like basically yet another excuse, bill. you know, it's just like i think really to a large degree, the promotion of the anti-islammic video by president obama and hillary clinton actually brought the video into greater focus and created more protests. before this came out, the video was barely seen. it was like a blip in the screen. bill: the other thing morell talked about was the whole idea of classified sources being revealed. he said he did not know t

mr. morell, he was supposed to be investigating ask to many down in washington, d.c., this is just a littlefriends" and said this about that line - up. >> follow the money. this is where i think it all starts to come together. there is real issues relate to go who did what regarding the talking points and it's clear morell had a key hand in this. >> you got to accept the reality for what it is. you can't explain this away. you can't one day pick up and be work for the very guy that was supposed to be critical of you and get paid a lot of money to do it. >> i didn't listen to the whole interview, but i watched the tape on-line. if you have mike allen, chief of staff with chairman rogers and suddenly out of nowhere, the former f.b.i. guy, mr. investigator, pulls his foot off the gas, doesn't seem curious about the benghazi situation. could his chief of staff been saying, there is nothing here, just an unfortunate situation of events because in his connection outside. why is chairman rogers now into it? has he suddenly realized there is a different angle to this than maybe someone might have b

mr. morell said the other day that was really truthful was that he doesn't understand the motivations of families of these four americans and catch these murderers. i'm tired of the rhetoric. president obama has promised with the various scandals plaguing washington that he's going to get to the bottom of the truth. well, he should be a derriere analysis at this point, you know. analyst rather, excuse me. >> i understand your frustration. thank you for joining us and we'll see if america is as curious about what happened that day as you and i are. thanks so much. >> thanks to fox for keeping it alive and i challenge the rest of the media to follow suit. >> i hope they snap out of it soon. thanks, mike. appreciate it. >> you're welcome. thank you. >>> ten minutes before the bottom of the hour. what was the top constitutional violation made by the white house? was it the irs targeting the tea party or fast and furious scandal? the winner voted by you next. those are the two people involved take a closer look at your fidelity green line and u'll see just how much it has to offer, especially

i thought mr. morel had only suits. >> it was caught on tape. told? have they been brought to justice? >> no, they haven't. he was promised by hillary clinton and president obama that they were going to get back to that report from tom's mother. isle i've done this before, i'll do it today. i want him to fulfill the promise he made to the family members and capture these murderers. we know where they are. i'm tired of its rhetoric. i'm tired of his excuses and i'm tired of him leading this country from a cult of personality as opposed to principle and as opposed tostant substantive policy. >> thank you so much. >> more "fox and friends" coming right up. msung galaxy s5 on ver, you get a second samsung galaxy s5 for free. so, who ya gonna give it to? maybe your brother could use it to finally meet a girl. your mom, but isn't your love reward enough? its not. maybe your roommate, i mean you pretty much share everything else. hey. your girlfriend. just do not tell her it was free. whoever you choose, you'll both get the best devices on the number 1

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mr. chairman, none of what i just said should be interpreted to mean that we at the cia did everything right. no organization ever does. >> charlie: i am pleased to have michael morell at the table for the first time. also in the interest of full disclosure, i take note to have the fact he is a contributing analyst for cbs news where i also work and we've had many conversations at the anchor desk over there about national security issues but i'm pleased to have him at this table for the first time. welcome. >> great to be here, charlie, thank you. >> charlie: we want to talk about what you testified and obviously what you hope to accomplish by that testimony. but let me just begin from the beginning. what was your job when you first heard about benghazi? >> i was the number two at the central intelligence agency. i was the deputy director, i was dave petraeus' deputy at the time. >> charlie: how did you hear about it? >> so i was traveling overseas. i was in amman, jordan. my staff actually woke me up in the middle of the night to tell me about what was happening in benghazi. >> charlie: what did they say? they woke me up the first time to tell me about the attack o

because when morell retired from the cia he said in his exit interview that he wanted to advice a presidential campaign in the future and anonymous sources said that he was very close to mrs. clinton. so what you see here is he removed factual warnings that only helped the state department and in effect damaged the cia. >> wow, what a development. >> thank you. >> we'll talk more about that coming up. in the mean tile new concerns about an obama administration plan to give up control of the internet and what could happen if the foreign government like russia or china could get the chance to empower over the web. we're live in washington looking at this. >> you know, most people have never heard of i cam but it controlled the internet, sends users to proper websites, controls domain names and assigns addresss. the department of commerce watchs to transfer that to the international community when its contract runs out in september of 2015 and that has raised tremendous concern, especially among conservatives. >> crossed any other government, the chinas of the world, russias to control that which they seek not have available, even to their own population. i don't want americ

mr. rogers, is screen right. he was his chief of staff. he was also the lead investigator on the benghazi stuff for a while. mike morell c.i.a. he's in the middle. he gave testimony last week that was favorable to, among other people, hillary clinton, who by the way, screen left, is pretty much the gate keeper for her. they all work together now in a place called beacon global strategies. isn't that cozy? >> and it comes into question why the talking points were what they were, were they changed and why weren't they accurate, right? so the questions are there. brian, the answers, you seem to try to get some today from mike rogers. >> steve had a source and we've also read a lot of speculation and said how candid could mike morell be, being that he did play a role in changing the talking points and it did work out better for the state department headed by hillary clinton, could he have an agenda? the fact that he got a job with hillary clinton's main operator, is there a nexus there? so i asked rogers how he feels about his chief investigator now linked up with hillary clinton's main man and was there linkage at all and

mr. morell on these attacks several times before but in closed session. today we receive his testimony in open session so the american people can hear directly from one of the most senior intelligence officials involved in the leadup and response to those attacks. we are all interested in mr. morell's role in in developing the talking points that shaped the administration's inaccurate narrative about the attacks. we expect he will explain for the public how this controversy developed. i understand you will do some of that in your opening statement as well. i want to first acknowledge the courageous american heroes on the ground in benghazi both those who lost their lives -- and that's chris stevens information officer, shawn smith security officers greg dougherty and tyrone woods. and those who risked their lives to save their colleagues. each of these brave americans served on the front lines defending americans' interests so the rest of us can sleep safely at night. we lost some of the best among us on that terrible night. many of the brave officers who