mr. morrell is speaking in defense of the c.i.a. he oversaw preparation of the c.i.a.uttal of the senate report. mr. morrell, did the c.i.a. mislead the white house and the congress? >> scott, not at all. the democratic report is deeply flawed. many of its main conclusions are simply not correct. and much of the context of the times and much of the discussion that took place in the-- inside the executive branch and with the congress about this program is not in this report, scott. >> pelley: how are c.i.a. officers reacting to this dade taid? >> this is what i am most worried about, scott. we-- what we had here were c.i.a. officers who were acting under the direction of the president of the united states and who were told by the department of justice at the time that this was legal, that this was not torture. now the rug is being pulled out from under them. so now they're sitting there thinking what is going to be pulled out from us in the future? and that is not a place you want your intelligence agency to be. >> pelley: how much conversation was there ahead of time w

mr. morrell was so fired up and his people, why are the results unknowable? why are they unknowable, when we have done these two people, one of them died, some of the techniques are really, you want to turn your head. when you waterboard somebody 183 times, is that a way to get useful information? there are allegations that we found out another evidence that we found out that information about osama bin laden before the employed these eits. some of that may have to be resolved. and by the way, it was known around the world, it was not a secret and this is not revealing a secret that we used these eits. and by the way, i did not see any increased zeal, and a possible increase in zeal on the part of al qaeda and isis to attack the united states whether this information was out there or not. i think they were carrying out orders and there was not a prohibition at that time, certainly a specific prohibition in american law, although the geneva convention clearly, which is the treatment of prisoners, not prisoners of war on a battlefield but prisoners, that prohib

mr. morrell was so fired up -- and i understand it -- and his people, why are the results unknowable, unknowable when we've done this to people that actually, apparently one of them died. some of the techniques are really, you know, almost you want to turn your head. and when you waterboard somebody 183 times, is that a way to really get useful information? and there's a lot of back and forth as to whether, you know, there are allegations whether we found out about osama bin laden and there is other evidence that says we found out that information before they employed these e.i.t.s, and some of that may have to be resolved. but what's the results of our image around the world, by the way, which was known around the world. this wasn't a secret. this wasn't revealing a secret we used these e.i.t.s. and, by the way, i didn't see any increased zeal, don't see any possible increase in zeal on the part of al quaida and i.s.i.s. to attack the united states whether this information was out there or not. >> charlie: what do you think about reports wiwï the u.n. that some people think there should be pros