mr. bill moyers. [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] [applause] >> i didn't know there were this many lutherans left in st. paul. you must have bust him in from late. >> i'll endowed about these people and their lutheranness. [laughter] >> we'll see. we'll see. afterwards when we get to the pot luck and -- [laughter] [laughter] >> we'll see how much they partake. no this theater is crowded with your admirers and your disciples. i'm an admirer, but i'm not a disciple. just to get that clear. >> 12 is all i can manage. [laughter] [laughter] >> i never cared for joseph campbell, i never did. i've tried to read him a dozen time even before he was on tv with you. and it just didn't make any sense to me whatsoever. if we're going to get into the power of myth, you are going to be all by yourself over there. you can do that, you can do that later. and there have been guests that you've had in your conversations. i'm not going to mention names that i just thought they should have talked a lot less. yo

moyers' journal -- the conversation continues." i am so delighted the conversation continues on this program tonight. >> where else but with mr. tavis smiley? tavis: i am happy to have you here. there was a rumor, may be some truth to it, all over the internet that bill moyers was thinking about coming back to pbs, un-retiring. >> like rumors of my death, which happen occasionally, this was exaggerated. we have been exploring some things to do, including specials, miniseries, potentially an interview show of the smaller mold than the one we did, but we have not decided anything yet. i am still enjoying the reflection and deliberation. we're working on a four part series and we're hoping to finish by the end of the year, the time between the civil war and the election of 1912 when corporate power became dominant in the american economy and workers and people in the south had to fight back to try to win their place and dignity. but there is no weekly series in the planning right now. tavis: to your point, i know and i thought of you when this happened many months ago, but that citizens united decision must rub you raw. >> i have