mr. enzi: clerk will call the roll. the clerk. mr. grassley. mr. sessions, mr. crapo. mr. graham. mr. portman. mr. graham. mr. portman. mr. toomey. mr. johnson. ms. ayotte. mr. wicker. mr. corker. mr. perdue. mr. sanders. ms. murray. mr. wyden. ms. stabenow. mr. whitehouse. mr. warner. mr. merkley. ms. baldwin. mr. kaine. mr. king. mr. chairman. mr. chairman, the yeas are 10, the nays are 12. mr. enzi: the amendment has failed. next, senator johnson's amendment. mr. johnson: thank you, mr. chairman. since 2010, 47 municipalities have declared bankruptcy. estimates of underfunded and unfunded liability in state and local pensions is is approaching $5 trillion system of this amendment simply prohibits the use of federal funds for bailing out those state and local governments, it sends a necessary and loud and clear cigna that hardworking american taxpayers from other states should not be asked to bail out those states and localities. mr. enzi: opposition? >> i think that nobody is particularly interested or anxious to be bailing out anybody. but i think this is overly prescriptive. we don't know what may happen to a town or city in wisconsin or verm

mr. grassley? mr. sessions? mr. crapo? mr. graham? mr. portman? mr. graham? mr. portman? mr. toomey? mr. johnson? ms. ayotte? mr. wicker? mr. corker? mr. purdue? mr. sanders? ms. murray? mr. wyden? mr. white house? mr. warner? mr. merkley? ms. baldwin? mr. kane? mr. king? mr. chairman? chairman: the amendment has failed. next is senator johnson's amendment. senator: 47 municipalities have declared bankruptcy. by estimates of underfunded liability is approaching $5 trillion. this amendment would prohibit the use of federal funds for bailing out state and local governments. i think it sends a signal that the hard-working taxpayers from other states should not be asked to bail out those other municipalities. chairman: opposition? senator: i think that nobody is interested in bailing out anybody. i think this is overly prescriptive. we do not know what may happen to a town or city in wisconsin or vermont or anyplace else. i would urge a no vote. chairman: i suspect a rollcall is required. clerk: mr. grassley? mr. sessions? mr. crapo? mr. graham? mr. portman? mr. toomey? mr. johnson? ms. ayotte? mr. wicker? sister corker? mr. purdue? ms. mur

mr. grassley. mr. sessions. mr. crapo. mr. graham. mr. portman. mr. toomey. mr. johnson. ms. ayotte. mr. wicker. mr. corker. mr. perdue. mr. sanders. ms. murray. mr. wyden. ms. stata now -- ms. stabenow. mr. white house. mr. warner. mr. merkley. ms. baldwin. mr. kane. esther king. mr. chairman. chairman enzi: are there any wishing to change their vote? seeing none, please report the vote. clerk: mr. chairman, the yeas are 18, the nays are four. chairman enzi: we have a vote on the side-by-side. i request a rollcall vote. clerk: mr. grassley. mr. sessions. mr. crapo. mr. graham. mr. portman. esther to me. ms. ayotte. mr. corker. mr. perdue. mr. sanders. mr. wyden. ms. stabenow. mr. white house. mr. warner. mr. merkley. ms. baldwin. mr. kane. mr. king. mr. chairman. chairman enzi: >> aye. clerk: the yeas are 12, the nays are 10. chairman enzi: next is the sessions amendment on welfare. not sure if there's a side-by-side. sen. sessions: colleagues, i believe we are spending an extraordinary amount on welfare and reform. we can do good things for poor people and help them better with the $1 trillion we are spending. $750 b

mr. graphly. >> no. mr. sessions. >> no. mr. crapo. >> no. >> mr. graham. >> no. mr. portman. >> no. mr. toomey? >> no. mr. johnson, no. >> miss ayotte. aye. >> mr. wicker? >> no. mr. corker. >> aye. >> mr. sanders. miss murray. mr. widen miss stabenow. mr. whitehouse. mr. americaky. aye. mr. baldwin, mr. kane, mr. king mr. chairman. >> no. >> mr. chairman, the ayes are 11, the nays are 11. could you repeat those numbers for me please. >> the ayes are 11 the nays are 11. >> on a tie vote the amendment fails. the next is the purdue amendment. >> thank you, mr. chairman. this amendment simply creates a spinning reserve fund aimed at cfpb to the regulation process. the last thing we need is a rogue regulator without any oversight of congress. that's the intent of this amendment. thank you. >> opposition? >> mr. chairman the cfpb is funded by all other bank regulators without appropriation, to incesulate it. but it is overseen in numerous ways. including mandatory audit by inspector general. mandatory rules before congress. rule making requirements and the ability of the oversight council to overturn regulations. >> i

mr. grassley. >> no. >> mr. sessions. >> no. >> mr. cropo. >> no. >> mr. graham. >> no. >> mr. port moan. >> no. >> mr. toomey. >> no. >> mr. johnson. [inaudible] >> my ayotte. >> aye. >> mr. wicker. >> no. >> mr. corker. [inaudible] >> mr. purdue. [inaudible] >> mr. sanders. >> aye. >> miss murray. >> aye. >> mr. wyden ace. >> miss stabenow. >> aye, -- [inaudible] year miss balled win. >> aye. >> mr. cane. mr. king. mr. chairman. >> no. >> mr. chairman, the yeas are 11, the nays are 11. >> dies on a tie. we're now to that final part. i move the cop current resolution on the budget for fiscal year 2016 be reported favorably and i'll call on the clerk to poll the committee. >> mr. grassley. >> aye. >> mr. sessions. >> aye. >> mr. cropo. >> aye. >> mr. graham. >> e. >> mr. portman. >> aye. >> mr. toomey. >> aye. >> mr. johnson. >> aye. >> mr. ayotte. >> aye. >> mr. wicker. >> aye. >> mr. corker. >> aye use mr. purdue. >> aye. >> mr. sanders, no. >> mrs. murray todd nod. >> mr. widen. >> no. >> miss stabenow. >> no. >> were whitehouse. >> no,. >> mark merkley, no. >> miss ball win. >> no. >> mr. cane understand nod. >> member king. [ina

mr. mr. johnson. >> do we have any public comment on item this item. >> seeing none, may i have. >> motion. >> motion from the commission. >> i make a motion that we recommend this. >> second. >> okay. >> okay president mccarthy commissioner vice president mar commissioner mccray commissioner melgar and commissioner walker yes, we'll move that on tuesday. >> our next item. >> if i may madam secretary there are people that want to move to item 8 take it out of order so if there's no objection supervisors i mean commissioners i'd like to do that okay. any objections? seeing none, we'll now hear item 8 discussion regarding the concerns with the removal of debris from candle stick park and i believe there's a presentation >> good morning. i'm sherryly with the clean air initiative at candle stick and dr. thompson will make the case regarding the dust and the asbestos concerned and the dust and as much as we have at the candle stick stadium issues that dr. tompkins will be reporting on today, the location of the dust monitor and the effectiveness of the dust monitors and the number of monitors installed and if their installed correctly and the proper reading of the monitors so we also have mr. andrew graft from the golden gate law school to speak to you regarding the statistics so far that have been gathered from the monitor and the community has not had access to that information except to the public information act that is requested through the law school we're concerned that with the high reach etc. vacation of the park at the same level as the community we're concerned about this asbestos and the dust that will travel into the neighborhood and we do not have a asbestos monitor or a dust monitor that place in the neighborhood as a buffer to give us the reading hass as to the amount and the focus of the neighborhood is being had from the demolition and the dust so i'm going to - we also have ms. marilyn from the visitacion valley and also another colleague we'll be speaking to convey you you our concerns about the effectiveness of the monitor and that's required we continually to come before you to address those issues and hopefully by now if we can get this right to pro

mr. grassley no. mr. sessions no. mr. crapo no. mr. portman, no. mr. toomey, no. mr. johnson no. mr. wicker, no. mr. corker, no. mr. perdue no. mr. sanders, aye. mr. wyden, aye. mr. warner aye. mr. merkley aye. mr. king aye. mr. chairman, the yeas are 11 and the nays are 11. senator enzi: repeat those numbers. the clerk: the yeas are 11 and the nays are 11. senator: this amendment simply creates a spending night tral reserve fund aimed at subbing the regular appropriation process. the last thing we need right now is a rogue regulator out there without any oversight of congress and that's the intent of this amendment. thank you. senator enzi: opposition? senator: the c.f.p.b. are funded to insulate from the type of influence that would deeply damage its regulatory role but independent audit monitored by the inspector general and rulemaking requirements, required testimony before the banking committee and indeed the ability of the oversight council to overturn the regulations. we need to protect this group that has done a fabulous job of defending consumers. senator enzi: i urge my colleagues to vote yes. ask for a r

mr. sanchez or mr. johnson of mapping would be very important i know that type of mapping should appear on the departments website one identifying where are the good places or two do i want to live next door and the one thing i want to suggest to mr. johnson and supervisor breed i think we need to have a stronger reliance on real estate disclosure i hear about many things the real estate industry has to be 340r7bd for consistent closure this is an important one many people buy things and it is completely new and in reality it is in the restrictions and they're not being mentioned to those people buying their places that would be passed on i appreciate that. >> commissioner antonini. >> yeah. i think this is very good legislation that remind me of something from mire families past i gripe two generations ago and aunt and uncles that had one of the most beautiful homes in town it was built right next to the western pacific tracks the house was built in 1925 and wherever you go that and the train comes by the whole house rattles and the conversation keys but asking western pacific to put a sound wall up through he knew better than that this is the same thing of things what is here it here and existing you have to adapt to us not us

mr. johnson did not appear to be intoxicated. despite the conversation he said he could not permit him to enter. he handed mr. back and mr. johnson walked up university avenue. a few moments later, he turned and saw mr. johnson on the ground about 30 feet further up on university avenue with abc agents. officially in a police report, johnson was arrested for public intoxicated and obstruction of justice. his court date is set for later this month. christine. >> nick thank you for that. >>> the u.s. supreme court takes up a free speech battle over the confederate flag today. the case is involving the sons of confederate veterans. they challenge the state of texas of the specialty license plate with the confederate flag. texas officials had no rules to bar the plate although it is offensive. the supreme court will rule by june. >>> what is the best performing investment since president obama took office? an early start on your money is next. 80% of the poor in africa are rural farmers. 96% of them are doing rain-fed agriculture. they're all competing with each other; they're all making very low margins making en

mr. chairman. >> mr. johnson. >> thank you, mr. chairman. welcome, mr. secretary. as you know, you're also serving as the managing trustee for social security and i'd like to, if we can get a quote up on the screen, direct you to it. however, this is what obama had to say when he was first elected. "what we have done is kicked this can down the road. we are now at the end of the road and not a position to kick itny further. we have to signal seriousness in this by making sure some of the hard decisions are made under my watch, not someone else's." that's president obama in january 2009. you know, we have to signal seriousness and my question to you is do you agree with what the president said then? yes or no. a. >> you know congressman, i think that if you look at the condition of the social security trust fund it's in stronger shape now, a strong economy helps drive that. and i think the president has many times said that we need to deal with a long-term problems in a bipartisan way. but we do have a little bit more time to do that. what we've proposed is a budget

mr. johnson on the ground on university avenue with agents detaining him. mr. how might mr. johnson's attorneys use this to their benefit? >> this is good news for them. this bigger question is was this id fake? and did he use a fake id. and that is a point of contentious debate. while banke didn't explicitly say that it was a real id he said he -- so johnson gave a wrong account, give a wrong zip code. >> he gave his parents zip code. >> that's right. >> and johnson has moved, and that's what the attorney was saying that's the reason why there was a discrepancy in there. but initially charged public intoxication obstruction of justice without force. >> nick thanks very much. >>> all right, still to come a video of former new england patriot aaron hernandez, dirty dancing shortly before his friend was killed and why the prosecution in hernandez's murder trial video shows a molt ty. it's more than a network and the cloud. it's reliable uptime. and multi-layered security. it's how you stay connected to each other and to your customers. with centurylink you get ad

johnson: i reserve, mr. chairman. the chair: the gentlewoman reserves. the gentleman from texas, mr. smith, is recognized. mr. smith: mr. chairman we are prepared to close so i'll reserve the balance of my time. the chair: the gentleman reserves. ms. johnson: i yield back. i have no requests for time. the chair: the gentlewoman yields back. the gentleman from texas. mr. smith: mr. chairman, first, i'd like to thank science committee member david schweikert for his great efforts on this particular subject. our goal is to help advance not just any science but the best science. costly environmental regulations should only be based upon data that is available to independent scientists and the public and that can be verified. h.r. 1030, the secret science reform act of 2015 gives independent scientists an opportunity to validate the studies e.p.a. uses to make new regulations. in 2012 the president's own science advisor testified that, quote, absolutely that data on which regulatory decisions are based should be made available to the committee and should be made public end quote. the chair of e.p.a.'s science advis

mr. johnson: mr. speaker, i ask unanimous consent to address the house for one minute and to revise and extend. the speaker: without objection. mr. johnson: mr. speaker by all accounts, president obama seems hell-bent on striking a nuclear deal with iran, a deal that would hurt our national security interests and sell out our proven ally and friend israel. let's be clear, iran is a foe, not a friend. just consider last week iran's supreme leader said death to america. the regime has blood of american soldiers on its hands and iran is working overtime to expand influence in the region. mr. speaker, iran is determined to be a nuclear power, period. unfortunately the president seems intent to ignore the majority of american people who believe this deal would not prevent iran from gaining a nuclear weapon. mr. speaker the president's going rogue. that's wrong. he needs to stop. nothing less than our national security is at stake. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back. for what pu

mr. johnson: to seek unanimous consent -- the speaker pro tempore: the house is not in order. mr. johnson: mr. speaker, i rise in -- i rise asking for unanimous consent to remove the name of representative perlmutter from h.r. 1102 the police accountability act. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. for what purpose does the gentleman from tennessee seek recognition? >> mr. speaker i ask unanimous consent to remove my name as co-sponsor of h.r. 1041. the speaker pro tempore: without objection. the chair announces the speaker's appointment pursuant to section 106-a, of the higher education opportunity act public law 110th congress 315, and the order of the house of january 3 2013 of the following individuals on the part of the house to the national advisory committee on the instructional quality and integrity for a term of six years. the clerk: upon the recommendation of the majority leader, william of scottsdale, arizona. arthur from washington, d.c. the speaker pro tempore: the chair will now entertain requests for one-minute speeches. ms. ros-lehtinen: i reque

mr. wallace and mr. johnson we know the state government, the federal government was apart in disenfranchising negro people and we are not going to tolerate a disenfranchising -- we want to know that and understand that. all the negroes of alabama must know and feel that not only must be cheer people in selma for marching but we must much until every -- march until every negro is registered in alabama. mrllace, thinks we are going home. he thinks it is all over. we want him to understand that if we come back, we plan to come back. we do not plan to go home after two hours. mr. wallace -- he's part of the whole political system that is filled us in franchising negro people. and that system must be broken. two years ago we were in birmingham, alabama, where four girls were killed in a church. and there were killed not by rabble-rousers but they were killed by the local government because they were irresponsible to negro citizens. most of the murders perpetrated against negro people in alabama is perpetrated by the state government of alabama, state, county, and. city. and the only way we can correct that is not by cursing out wall ceace byut by electing officials who would respect the sacredness of all citizens. we cannot do that by making kind remarks. we have to do that i getting back -- by getting back in our counties and make sure our movements are on the road. we have thousands of n

mr. chairman. >> mr. johnson. >> thank you, mr. chairman. welcome, mr. secretary. as you know, you're also serving as the managing trustee for social security and i'd like to, if we can get a quote up on the screen, direct you to it. however, this is what obama had to say when he was first elected. "what we have done is kicked this can down the road. we are now at the end of the road and not a position to kick it any further. we have to signal seriousness in this by making sure some of the hard decisions are made under my watch, not someone else's." that's president obama in january 2009. you know, we have to signal seriousness and my question to you is, do you agree with what the president said then? yes or no. a. >> you know, congressman, i think that if you look at the condition of the social security trust fund, it's in stronger shape now, a strong economy helps drive that. and i think the president has many times said that we need to deal with a long-term problems in a bipartisan way. but we do have a little bit more time to do that. what we've proposed is a b

mr. chairman. >> thank you. mr. johnson. >> thank you, mr. chairman. sequestration assumes that the nation's dad is out of control and therefore we must cut spending. we cannot increase tax revenues. and if that is true then i am glad both defense and nondefense spending are included in sequestration. i myself do not accept that process. if i am wrong and if it is true i am glad the defense and nondefense spending are covered by sequestration. that is one point i want to make. the other point is sequestration is the wrong way to cut spending, both in the defense and in the nondefense sectors of our budget. the sequestration is a blunt force instrument cutting across the board regardless of whether or not it is sensible enough to do so. it is true that fraud, waste and abuse exists in both the defense and nondefense sectors. it is true. that it is also true that there are some sectors that we are doing some excellent cutting-edge necessary spending that does not need to be caught and that is why sequestration needs to go away. it needs to go away for bo

[applause] [gavel pounds] president johnson: mr. speaker mr.nt, members of the congress, i speak tonight for the dignity of man and the destiny of democracy. i urge every member of both parties, americans of all religions, and of all colors from every section of this country to join me in that cause. at times history and fate meet at a single time in a single place to shape a turning point in man's unending search for freedom. so it was at length into an -- lexington and concord a century ago at appomattox, so it was last week in selma, alabama. there long-suffering men and women peacefully protested the denail oial of their rights as americans. many were brutally assaulted. one good man, a man of god was killed. there is no cause for pride in what has happened in selma. there is no cause for self-satisfaction in the long de nial of equal rights of millions of americans. but there is cause for hope and for faith in our democracy in what is happening here tonight. for the cries of pain and the hymns and protest of oppressed people have summoned

mr. johnson: i i ask unanimous consent that the quorum call be dispensed with. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. johnson: i have nine requests for committees to meet during today session of the senate. i ask that these requests be agreed to and printed in the record. the presiding officer: without objection. mr. johnson: i yield back all our time. the presiding officer: is there objection? without objection. the clerk had read the title of the joint resolution for a third time. the clerk: calendar number 21, s.j. res. 8 a joint resolution providing for congressional disapproval under chapter 8 of title 5, united states code, of the rules submitted by the national labor relations board relating to representation case procedures. the presiding officer: all time for debate having been expired, the question occurs on passage of s.j. res. 8. mr. johnson: mr. president i ask for the yeas and nays. the presiding officer: is there a sufficient second? there appears to be. the clerk will call the roll. vote: vote: mr. rounds, mr. rubio,. mr. rounds:,. mr. rubio:, sanders,. mr. sanders:, 123450 vote: vot

mr. enzi, for mr. johnson, proposes amendments en bloc numbered 402 596 597 and the 865. mr. enzi: mr. president? the presiding officer: the senator from wyoming. mr. enzi: i ask unanimous consent that the time until 12:00 noon today be equally divided between the managers or their designees and that at 12:00 noon, the senate vote in relation to the following amendments in the order listed with no second-degree amendments in order prior to the votes but with side-by-side amendments allowed to be offered by senator sanders or his designee on the scott amendment number 692 and the vitter amendment number 515 and that that vote occur on the listed amendment second. the order then would be sanders number 881. kirk number 545. stabenow number 523. rubio number 423. wyden number 1002. paul number 940. murray number 798. moran number 356. baldwin number 432. collins number 810. franken number 828. scott number 692. coons number 96. -- 966. and blunt number 928. durbin number 817. vitter number number 515. bennet number 547. murkowski number 838. inhofe number 649. i further ask consent that there be two

mr. canterbury and mr. johnson. i don't know if you here for the first two panels. we heard a lot about the different kinds of police injury. a major source appears to be vehicular crashes. mr mr. canterbury, you did not. in the first couple of pyÑv we actually asked the question of what the source of resistance was to wearing seat belts. i guess the question i have for you two in particular, but anybody can chime in there, can you tell me what the union organizations are doing in particular to help support officers wearing seat belts. because it seems to me that that along with encouraging officers to simply drive slower and do a few things could actually not only address a good percentage avert injuries. >> well, there's several reasons that our officers don't wear or don't like to wear their seat belts. one is with the 35 pounds of equipment that they're wearing when they're trying to exit their vehicle very quickly on a scenario, their seat belt catches. i've seen a lot of badges ripped off of uniforms. but we do support the use of seat belts. we support the mandatory policy of seat belts. but like napo, we're concerned that if an officer has to -- i -b know just from p

mr. wallace and mr. johnson we know that the state government, the federal government was a party in this franchise of the negro people and we're not going to tolerate being disfranchised and without voice in a government when we are taxed. and we want them to know that and understand that. and all of the negros of alabama must know and feel that not only must we cheer people in selma for marching but we must march in every county in alabama until every negro is registered in alabama. now mred and part of the political system that is still disfranchising negro people. and this system must be broken. a few years ago we were in birmingham, alabama and four little girls were killed 37 and they was killed by the local government because they were irresponsible to negro citizens. most of the murders perpetrated against negro people in alabama is perpetrated by the state governments of alabama, state county and city. and the only way we can correct that is not by cussing out wallace but by being participants in government by electing officials who will in fact respect the sacredness of all of the citizens. we can't do that by making kind remarks and statements. we have to the that by getting back in your townties making sure your movements are on the road. we have thousands of negros that must be put on the books. we have thousands of negros that haven't heard that a freedom movement is going on in the alabama. we have thousands of people who don't know about the march on montg

mr. wallace and mr. johnson, we know the state government, the federal government was apart in disenfranchising negro people and we are not going to tolerate disenfranchising -- we want to know that and understand that. all the negroes of alabama must know and feel that not only must cheer people in selma for marching but we must much until every -- march until every negro is registered in alabama. [applause] mrnks it is all over. we want him to understand that if we come back, we plan to come back. we do not plan to go home after two hours. mr. wallace -- he's part of the whole political system that is disenfranchising negro people. and that system must be broken. two years ago we were in birmingham, alabama, where four girls were killed in a church. and there were killed not by rabble-rousers but they were killed by the local government because they were irresponsible to negro citizens. most of the murders perpetrated against negro people in alabama is perpetrated by the state government of alabama, state county, and city. [applause] and the only way we can correct that is not by cursing out wallace but by electing officials who would respect the sacredness of all citizens. we cannot do that by making kind remarks. we have to do that by getting back in our counties and make sure our movements are on the road. we have thousands of negroes that must be put on the books. thousands of negroes t

johnson: mr. o'carroll we are talking of how many people over 112 you identified? mr. o'carroll slons have 6.5 million. senator johnson: how many people that are living today that are over 112? mr. o'carroll: one of the records we have is one database will show them as deceased and another will show them as alive. there is 1.4 million of them. we vice president really set a number. we go on the fact that about we use the estimate sort of similar to mr. brune about 1,000 a month living people report that they are alive when they are on the death master file. senator johnson: why don't we just purge -- list on the -- a date of death for people that are over, i don't know, let's start with 150. maybe next knock it down to 140 and then 130 and have some sort of protection for somebody that just might -- we are talking about 6.5 million records out there. there is about 6.49999 really of those people that are really dead and are not going to be affected by this. why don't we do that to prevent that this type of situation curse or allows. mr. o'carroll: one of the thoughts is

mr. johnson for five minutes. >> thank you mr. johnson and administrator mccarthy, thank you for being here today. i represent much of appalachia ohio. coal-fired power plants and the hard-working taxpaying men and women who work in those facilities to provide for their families. producing energy resources that are keeping the lights on heating the homes of the majority of ohio homes during this very cold winter. can you tell us why energy rich ohio was excluded from the hearings, the public hearings on epa's climate rules? >> as far as i know sir those hearings were strategically placed around the country to ensure that people could have access to attend those. >> it's interesting that they were strategically placed in places where coal-mining and coal operations don't exist. i have the list. how many coalmines are in pittsburgh? i can tell you how many coalmines are in southeastern ohio. but we can fix this. i heard my colleague from iowa say that he invites you back to the iowa state fair. i would like to invite you to come to o

mr. johnson started walking up university avenue. a few moments later, he heard a commotion and turned and saw mr. ohnson on the ground 30 feet up on university avenue with abc agents. johnson was arrested for public intoxication and obstruction of justice. his court date is set for later this month. >> nick thanks for that. >>> quiz for you. what's the best performing investment since president obama took office? is it gold? maybe real estate? stocks? what do you think? an early start on your money next. >>> it is almost top of the hour. let's get an start on your money. asian shares ended the trading day higher. u.s. stock futures down a bit. stocks climbed on friday. nasdaq closed above 5,000 for the fourth time in history. it is within striking distance of the high of march 2000. >>> it has been over six years since president obama has taken office. which assets have done best? gold or commodities. the u.s. dollar has done well. stocks are the winner. the stock market bottomed out in march of 2009. we are in the midst of the fourth longest bull run ever. the returns for stocks have not been any

mr. chairman, if i could complement mr. johnson on the biggest budget committee i've ever seen. >> impressing that nice. >> any objection to a voice vote? all those in favor say aye. >> mr. chairman the amendment i have simply says that the irs ought to allow american citizens to know if they are the victims of identity theft is the irs has that information. we hope the irs would move on this administratively. they have not moved on it today. >> i hope we can voice vote this unanimous consent. >> it would give the irs the ability to share the confidential information with somebody who has been a victim of identity theft. that the irs knows. the iris somehow interpret the regulations right now that they cannot even tell their identity. >> i haven't been a victim myself and have it been inconvenienced fairly recently. i think we showed improved the ability to respond. they do have some sort of program and they did work through it. it probably could be improved. it's a dangerous, problematic thing if it gets worse and worse. >> any objection to voice voting? all those in favor say subfloor. all those opposed? the amendment passes. next is the wicker cbo score. >> first of

mr. johnson? >> thank you mr. chairman. sequestration assumes that the nation's debt is out of control and so therefore we must cut spending. we cannot increase tax revenues, we must cut spending. if that is true i'm glad that both defense and nondefense spending are included in sequestration. i myself do not accept that premise. but if i'm wrong and if it is true then i'm glad that defense and nondefense spending are covered by sequestration. that is one point i wanted to make. the other point i want to make is that sequestration is the wrong way to cut spending. both in the defense and in the nondefense sectors of our budget. why? because sequestration is just a blunt force instrument cutting across the board regardless of whether or not it is sensible enough to do so. it is true that fraud waste and abuse exists in both the defense and nondefense sectors. it is true. but it is also true that there are some sectors that we're doing some excellent cutting edge, necessary spending that does not need to be cut. and that's wh

mr. chairman. >> mr. chairman. >> i applaud senator johnson for wanting to educate the american people about economic reality. as a nation we should engage in the discussion and not be frightened about big numbers but i would urge sen. johnson to add to his discussion of economic reality not just deficits and debt but the reality of what is happening to the middle class and the massive level of income and wealth inequality in this country. you can't you can't just talk about a deficit without understanding that today 99 percent of all new income generated comes from the top 1 percent. you can't you can't just talk about the national debt without understanding that today the top one 10th of 1 percent owning more wealth than the bottom 90 percent. so if your goal -- and i share that goal. let's educate the american people about economic reality, talk about how we create jobs, ways wages, deal with the deficit, but i am concerned my republican friends don't talk about the trillions of dollars in the transfer of wealth that is gone from the middle class to the top one 10th of 1 percent. .. i just want to suggest a friendly amendment expressed in terms of dollars in a percentage of gdp unlike you a percentage of gdp is a helpful way to make the dollars comprehensive. >> i would be happy to include it. thank you. >> further discussion there's still about ten seconds left. >> if there's ten seconds left i would say that i'm all for adding more information and i hoped it was all about the talk of denial and delusion but i guess that's for another day. >> under -- senator sanders. >> a point of order mr. chairman. has the suggestion then accepted as an amendment to senator johnson to add a gdp language or will we have a vote on that when it comes time for voting? >> that information is already included so we can have the amendment that is reported as a percentage of gdp. is it in the johnson amendment or not? >> i will ask unanimous consent to include it. >> the author has the right to revise his amendment. >> senator sanders. >> colleagues, this is the amendment that could give us the opportunity to secure the protection for our public land and the opportunities they present for the community. this creates a deficit neutral reserve funds for federal land secure schools, payment in lieu of taxes and the land and water conservation fund. they protect our public land, water, wildlife, tourism outdoor recreation, support local businesses ahead of this debate. this ensures that role america has a presence in this budget and in the priorities that are important to us and it's important th

mr. chairman. >> mr. chairman. >> i applaud senator johnson for wanting to educate the american people and i think as a nation we should not be fighting about big numbers. i urge senator johnson to add to his discussion of economic reality, not just deficits and debts, but the reality of what's happening to the middle class and the massive level of income and welfare inequality in this country. you can't just talk about a deficit without understanding that today, 99% of all new income generated goes to the top 1%. you can't just talk about a national debt without understanding that today, the top one tenth of 1%, more wealth than the bottom 90%. so, if your goal and i share that, let's educate the american people about economic reality. let's talk about how we create jobs, raise wages, deal with the deficit, but i am concerned my republican friends don't talk about the trillions of dollars and transfer of wealth that has gone from the middle class to the top one tenth of 1%, so if you want to include that information in your amendment, count me in as a cosponsor. >> you actually can just talk about one section and this is a pretty simple amendment. talking about cbo that projects this as a gdp. we are all concerned about america. i am highly concerned about inequality. i'm concerned about the fact that federal government doesn't have enough revenue, but the fact of the matter is, economic growth, which would come about by tax reform, regulatory relief, just from 2009 to last fiscal year, we've increased revenue by more than $900 billion and that comes from incentivizing economic behavior rather than demonizing it. we can't take a look at this as a particular piece of information that would be helpful to the definition and admission of a problem. >> senator king. >> senator johnson, i'm all in favor of the more information, the better. i just would suggest a friendly amendment expressed in terms of dollars and as a percentage of gdp. i think a percentage is a helpful way to make the dollars comprehensible. >> i have to include that. >> thank you. >> further discussion, still about ten seconds left. okay. >> if there's ten seconds left i'll say i am all for adding more information. i was hopeful for a moment that with all the talk about denial we might have had a breakthrough on climate change, but i guess that's for another day. >> senator sanders, to your side. >> thank you very much. >> chairman a point of order mr. chairman. has the suggestion been accepted as an amendment to senator johnson's amendment to add the gdp language or will we have to vote on that when it's time to vote? >> we can have the amendment but cbo reports this as a% of gdp. >> is this -- >> happy to include it. >> so, i'm just asking -- standpoint, where are we on the language suggested by senator king. is it in the johnson amendment now or not? >> it is not. i'll ask unanimous consent to include it. >> the author has the right to revise the amendment. >> revised. >> senator sanders. >> thank you very much. chairman enzi. senator sanders. colleagues, this is the amendment to give us the opportunity secure the protection for our public lands and the opportunities that they present for our community. this creates a deficit neutral reserve fund for federal lands rural schools, payment in leah of taxes and the land and conservative vegas fund, each of these programs is a bonanza for rural america. they protect our public lands,

mr. chairman. >> mr. chairman. >> i applaud senator johnson for wanting to educate the american people and i think as a nation we should not be fighting about -- frightened about big numbers. but urge senator johnson to add to his discussion of economic reality, not just deficits and debts, but the reality of what's happening to the middle class and the massive level of income and wealth inequality in this country. you can't just talk about a deficit without understanding that today, 99% of all new income generated goes to the top 1%. you can't just talk about a national debt without understanding that today, the top one tenth of 1%, more wealth than the bottom 90%. so, if your goal and i share that goal, let's educate the american people about economic reality. let's talk about how we create jobs, raise wages, deal with the deficit, but i am concern eded -- concerned my republican friends don't talk about the trillions of dollars and transfer of wealth that has gone from the middle class to the top one tenth of 1%, so if you want to include that information in your amendment, count me in as a cosponsor. >> you actually can just talk about one section and this is a pretty simple amendment. talking about cbo that projects this as a gdp. i just want them to convert it to dollars and reported that way. we are all concerned about america. i am highly concerned about income inequality. i'm concerned about the fact that federal government doesn't have enough revenue, but the fact of the matter is, economic growth, which would come about by tax reform, regulatory relief, just from 2009 to last fiscal year, we've increased revenue by more than $900 billion and that comes from incentivizing economic behavior rather than demonizing it. we can't take a look at this as a particular piece of information that would be helpful to the definition and admission of a problem. >> senator king. >> senator johnson, i'm all in favor of the more information, the better. i just would suggest a friendly amendment expressed in terms of dollars and as a percentage of gdp. unlike you, i think a percentage of gdp is a helpful way to make dollars comprehensive will. >> i would be happy to include that. >> thank you. >> further discussion, still about ten seconds left. okay. >> if there's ten seconds left i'll say i am all for adding more information. i was hopeful for a moment that with all the talk about denial we might have had a breakthrough on climate change, but i guess that's for another day. >> senator sanders, to your side. >> thank you very much. >> chairman a point of order mr. chairman. has the suggestion been accepted as an amendment to senator johnson's amendment to add the gdp language or will we have to vote on that when it's time to vote? >> that information is already included by cbo. we can have the amendment but , cbo reports this as a% of gdp. >> is this -- >> happy to include it. >> so, i'm just asking -- standpoint, where are we on the language suggested by senator king. is it in the johnson amendment now or not? >> it is not. i'll ask unanimous consent to include it. >> the author has the right to revise the amendment. >> revised. >> senator sanders. >> thank you very much. chairman enzi. senator sanders. colleagues, this is the amendment to give us the opportunity secure the protection for our public lands and the opportunities that they present for our community. this creates a deficit neutral reserve fund for federal lands rural schools, payment in leah -- in lieu of taxes and the land and conservative vegas fund, each of these programs is a

mr. chairman. >> mr. chairman. >> i applaud senator johnson for wanting to educate the american people and i think as a nation, we should not be fighting about the must remembers, but urge senator johnson to add to his discussion of economic reality, not just deficits and debts, but the reality of what's happening to the middle class and the massive level of income and wael and equal thety in this country. you can't just talk about a deficit without understanding that today, 99% of all new income generated goes to the top 1%. you can't just talk about a national debt without understanding that today the top one tenth of 1% more wealth than the bottom 90%. so, if your goal and i share that, let's educate the american people about economic reality. let's talk about how we create jobs raise wages, deal with the deficit, but i am concern eded my republican friends don't talk about the trillions of dollars and transfer of wealth that has gone from the middle class to the top one tenth of 1% so if you want to include that information in your amendment, count me in as a cosponsor. >> you actually can just talk about one section and this is a pretty simple amendment. talking about cbo that projects this as a gdp. we are all concerned about america. i am highly krped about quality. i'm concerned about the fact that federal government doesn't have enough revenue, but the fact of the matter is, economic growth, which would come about by tax reform, regulatory relief, just from 2009 to last fiscal year, we've increased revenue by more than $900 billion and that comes from incentiviseing economic behavior rather than demonizing it. we can't take a look at this as a particular piece of information that would be helpful to the definition and admission of a problem. >> senator king. >> senator johnson, i'm all in favor of the more information, the better. i just would suggest a friendly amendment expressed in terms of dollars and as a percentage of gdp. i think a percentage is a helpful way to make the dollars comprehensible. >> i have to include that. >> thank you. >> further discussion, still about ten seconds left. okay. >> if there's ten seconds left, i'll say i am all for adding more information. i was hopeful for a moment that with all the talk about denial, we might have had a breakthrough on climate change, but i guess that's for another day. >> senator sanders, to your side. >> thank you very much. >> chairman a point of order mr. chairman. has the suggestion been accepted as an amendment to senator johnson's amendment to add the gdp language or will we have to vote on that when it's time to vote? >> we can have the amendment, but cbo reports this as a% of gdp. >> is this -- >> happy to include it. >> so, i'm just asking -- standpoint where are we on the language suggested by senator king. is it in the johnson amendment now or not? >> it is not. i'll ask unanimous consent to include it. >> the author has the right to revise the amendment. >> revised. >> senator sanders. >> thank you very much. chairman enzi. senator sanders. colleagues, this is the amendment to give us the opportunity secure the protection for our public lands and the opportunities that they present for our community. this creates a deficit neutral reserve fund for federal lands rural schools, payment in leah of taxes and the land and conservative vegas fund, each of these programs is a bonanza for rural america. they protect our public lands,

mr. canterbury and mr. nelson. i don't know if you were here for the first two panels. we heard a lot about the different kinds of police injury. a major source appears to be vehicular crashes. mr. johnson, you mentioned wearing a seat belt a bit. mr. canterbury, you did not. in the first couple of panels, we actually asked the question of what the source of resistance was to wearing seat belts. i guess the question i have for you in particular, but anybody can chime in there, can you tell me what the union organizations are doing in particular to help support officers wearing seat belts? it seems to me that along with encouraging officers to simply drive slower and do a few things could actually not only address a good percentage of fatalities but could also avert injuries. >> well, there's several reasons our officers don't wear or don't like to wear their seat belts. one is with the 35 pounds of equipment that they are wearing when they are trying to exit their vehicle very quickly on a scenario, their seat belts catches. i've seen a lot of badges ripped off uniforms. but we do support the use of seat belts. we support the mandatory policy of seat belts. but like napo, we're concerne

johnson gave a wrong answer. part of the statement reads -- in summer badke's pin mr. johnsonappear to be intoxicated. despite the conversation that was cord ad mr. badke reiterated that he was not permitted to enter the bar. now virginia state police are investigating. we have the bar's full statement on our website nbcwashington.com. >>> also happening now a 60-year-old woman is sitting in jail tonight accused of stabbing her mother to death in maryland. margaret wells was 94 years old, and police found her body on saturday in her own home as darcy spencer discovered, the family is rightfully stunned. >> i really can't even put it into words. it's just unbelievable. she lived 94 years, and to have her life come to an enlike this is devastating. his great-aunt would have celebrated her 95th birthday in may, about you she was killed in her own home allegedly at the hands of her very own daughter. >> god has a plan for all of us. i don't question him and am not angry, but you live 94 years, you're not supposed to go with someone plunging a knife in you. >> margaret wells retired from the marine corps annex, married for 50 years before her husband

mr. johnson for five minutes. >> thank you, mr. chairman. i represent appalachia, ohio and i don't have to tell you folks, probably, how rural that is. i hear the horror stories, many of which you've just heard. i could cite similar cases that my colleague from west virginia, mr. mckinley, did. mr. selman, long before i was elected to congress i served 26 years in the air force and i was stationed in columbus, mississippi. and you know how rural that area is. so i've seen this for a long time. mr. gomez. does the gao track and can you tell us in regards to all urban and rural systems how many municipalities have their systems charged the true cost of providing water to their customers? in other words, how many of them are operating in the red? >> that's a really good question. and it's always one area that's debatable, right? whether people are actually paying the true price of what the water cost. i don't believe that we have done work on that. but if we have i'd have to get back to you on that. >> would you take a look at that, please? i t

mr. brune. our next witness is patrick o'carol, jr., inspector general for the social security administration since 2004. mr. o'carroll has 26 yours of service for the united states secret service. mr. peril. >> good afternoon, chairman johnson, ranking member carper and members of the committee. thank you for the opportunity to par tis mitt inning this discussion. my office investigates hundreds of social security misuse every year but recently one incident out from the rest. a man opened two bank accounts with social security numbers that belongs to people northern 1886 and 199 -- 1893. we can safely assume these people who today would be 129 and 122 years of age, are deceased. however, according to ssas databases of social security number holders these people are alive ssa does not have dates of person for eperson or holder records. our audit fors found out these two record were anything but unique. re reported 6.5 million people whose social security records indicate they are over 112 years old do not have a date of death on the social security number record. without a date of death on the database these people do not appear on the agency's death master file. i should note that none of these aged number holders are impro

mr. johnson for five minutes. >> thank you mr.airman and administrator mccarthy thank you for being here today. i represent much of appalachia, ohio. home to several coal mines and coal-fire power plants and home to the home, tax paying men and women who work in those facilities to provide for these families. these proud men and women are providing the energy resources that keep the lights on and heat the majority of the ohio homes during this very cold winter. so can you tell us why energy-rich ohio was excluded for the hearings the public hearings on epa's climate rules? >> well as far as i know, sir, those hearings were strategically placed around the country to ensure that people could have access to attend those. they were heavily -- we've been working with ohio. >> they were strategically placed in place where coal mining operations don't exist. >> that is not correct. it was pittsburgh -- pittsburgh pennsylvania. >> how many coal mines are in pittsburgh? i can tell you how many are in southeastern ohio and there are a numbe

mr. collins. >> thank you, mr. chairman. before i get to my questions for commissioners o'rielly and pai one follow-up to mr. johnson's questions, chairman wheeler there were ten meetings and we do understand there was on the ex parte side disclosure on one of those ten meetings. it's my understanding that on the other nine meetings there was nothing of significance discussed relative to the fcc where under the rules of ex parte you should have or would be required to otherwise disclose those. is it true there was nothing disclosed on nine of the ten meetings? >> no there's -- the test is -- >> was there anything -- sir, i'm asking the questions. was there anything disclosed on the other nine meet sngz that's a yes or a no. >> i had no instructions -- >> yes or no. >> no. i had no instructions. >> well, i guess i am befuddled that in nine of the ten meetings in the white house there was nothing of any consequence discussed with the fcc. i'll take you at your word. one thing we were clear about is the importance of certainty. and mr. cheeler, chairman wheeler more than anybody stressed the importance to the providers i

mr. brune, our next witness is patrick o'carroll jr. inspector since 2004. and mr. o'carol also served as 26 years of service for the united states secret service. mr. carroll? >> good afternoon, chairman johnson. ranking member carper and members of the committee. thank you for the invitation to participate in this discussion. my office investigates hundreds of cases of social security number misuse every year. but recently, one incident stood out from the rest. a man who opened two bank accounts with social security numbers belonged to people born in 1886 and 1893. we can safely assume people today would be 129 and 122 years of age are deceased. however, according to ssa's database of social security number holders these people are alive. living in the sense that ssa does not have dates of death for either person or number holder records. our auditors followed up and found these two records were anything but unique. we recently reported that 6.5 million people whose social security records indicate they're over 112 years old do not have a date of death on the social security number record. without a date of death on the ssa's disablesatabase, these people do not appear on the agency's death

mr. johnson for five minutes. >> thank you mr. chairman and administrator mccarthy thank you for being here. i represent much of appalachia ohio. that's home to several coal mines, and coal fired power plants, and home to the hard-working, tax paying, men and women who work in those facilities to provide for their families. these proud men and women produce the energy resources that are keeping the lights on and heating the homes of the majority of ohio homes during this very cold winter. so can you tell us why energy rich ohio was excluded from the hearings, the public hearings on epa's climate rules? >> as far as i know sir those hearings were strategically placed around the country to ensure that people could have access to attend those. they were very heavily -- >> yeah it's interesting that they were strategically placed in places where coal mining and coal operations don't exist. >> that's not correct. >> i have the list -- >> -- pittsburgh, pennsylvania is fifth -- >> how many coal mines are in pittsburgh? i can tell you ho

mr. carson: i agree with everything that you are saying except that johnson in 1 bernice: barry: mr. carson: -- 1964 won by a landslide and that is the last time that a majority of white americans and black americans voted together. dean: were i agree with lincoln is that i think the legacy of slavery is still deeply a part of our national problems. and we keep on telling ourselves, we have moments were we say -- it is like when you go through therapy and you think you are well and you discover 10 years later you go back into slavery, -- therapy, slavery feels like that. at best we will be in recovery from slavery but i am not sure we will be here was a nation from slavery. mr. matthews: let me get another question. this is just looking for trouble. but a larger impact -- who made a larger impact on modern society? i don't know the purpose of this. what do you think? mr. carson: i look upon jefferson, lincoln, and king is in this perpetual dialogue about american democracy -- as in this perpetual dialogue about american democracy. one without the other does not make a lot of sense to me. if you look at lincoln's draft the declaration of independence, and the way in which later on lincoln has his commentary on that, king has his commentary on lincoln having a commentary on that, that is the american dialogue. so you cannot take one of them out of it. king's speech do not make sense without lincoln and jefferson. -- speeches do not make sense without lincoln and jefferson. mr. wilson: it is the bad american habit of having to know what is the biggest. mr. matthews: me ask you about the history behind being the experts on these gentlemen. what is it they did n

mr. speaker, for the time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentlewoman yields back the balance of her time. for what purpose does the gentleman from georgia seek recognition? mr. johnson: to address the body for one minute and to revise and extend. the speaker pro tempore: without objection, the gentleman is recognized for one minute. mr. johnson: thank you, mr. speaker. i rise today to recognize the competitive carriers association which is the leading organization for competitive wireless carriers and stakeholders. c.c.a. was founded in 1992 by nine rural and regional wireless carriers. since its founding c.c.a. has grown to become the nation's leading association for competitive wireless providers serving all areas of the united states. today is the first day of c.c.a.'s 2015 global expo in atlanta. more than 100 c.c.a. member volunteers will gather for a special day of volunteering with hands-on atlanta. c.c.a. will assemble 2,000 boxed meals and deliver them in person to schools, senior citizens homes and other locations in the old fort worth neighborhood. i'm pleased that c.c.a. is bringing the spirit of community to atlanta and i'm confident this event will be quite successful. with that, mr. speaker, i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman yields back the balance of his time. the chair lays before

mr. mader from the office of management and budget. he held various positions at the irs from 1971 to 2003. and then ten years in private sector before rejoining the federal service. mr. mader. >> thank you chairman johnson ranking member carper and distinguished members of the committee for inviting me today to discuss the federal governments ongoing efforts to prevent and reduce and recapture improper payments. i appreciate the opportunity to provide an update on this important topic. our partnership with the congress consultation with gao and the important support of the ig community over the years has been vital to our efforts. addressing improper payments is a central component of this effort to eliminate waste fraud and abuse when the president took office in 2009 the improper payment rate was 5.2%, an all-time high and since then the administration working together with the congress has made progress by strengthening the accountability and transparency through annual reviews by inspector generals and expanded requirements for high priority programs such as the requirement to report supplemental measures and program information on payment accuracy.gov. as a result of this concerted effort in 2013 we reported an improper rate of 3.53%. during fiscal year '14 we experienced an improper rate increase in major programs including medicaid, fee for service, earned income tax credit and medicaid and unemployment insurance. over the same period other major programs experienced improper payment rate decreases, including medicare part c, supplemental nutrition and assistance program and public housing rental assistance. as a net, these changes resulted in a government-wide improper payment rate of 4.02% or $125 billion. notwithstanding this agencies recovered roughly $20 billion in overpayments through payment recapture audits and other methods in 2014. while progress has been made over the years, the time has come for a more aggressive strategy to reduce levels of improper payments than we are currently seeing. that is why the administration has proposed to make a significant investment in activities to ensure that taxpayer dollars are spent by expanding oversight in the largest programs and increasing investments. over the years the administration has worked with the congress on legislation regarding this topic. and these laws have provided agencies with new tools and tuck sneaks to prevent reduce and recover improper payments. the president's fy-16 budget provides the opportunity to build on this congressional support and administration activities to reduce improper payments. there is compelling evidence that investments in administrative resources can significantly decrease the rate of improper payments and recoup many times their initial investment. examples of proposals in the fy-16 budget include a robust package of medicaid and medicare program integrity proposals, strategic reinvestments in the irs, a robust program integrity proposals, a proposal to expand the department of labor initiative to conduct reemployment and eligibility assessment and reemployment services and improving further the accuracy of the death master file by sharing across multiple agencies. in addition, and this began long before we knew what the improper payment rate was going to be for the fiscal year the office of management and budget issued an appendix to the circular on internal controls entitled requirements for effective estimation and remediation of improper payments. and agencies were instructed to reexamine improper payment strategies on a number of fronts government-wide. the new guidelines were issued in october of 2014 and provide strategies for agencies and inspector generals to key in on improper pages. in addition to these government-wide initiatives on february 26th of 2015, the director of omb sent letters to agency heads for four organizations, d.o.l., h.h.s., s.s.a. and treasury that have the largest priority programs. this direction requires the early implementation of the appendix c requirements i just mentioned by april 30th of this year. the direction further requires that each agency conduct the following analysis and present it to o.m.b. one, provide a comprehensive correctionive action plan for each program in question. two, renew new categories for reporting improper payments and three, provide an analysis linking the agency efforts and establishing internal controls to the internal controls that they have for improper payments. under this administration, we have focused on the increased use of technology and sharing data to address improper payments. the effective use of data analytics provides insight into the methods and improveing the performance and decision-making capability. examples of using data analytics for improper payments include the cms fraud prevention system and d.o.l. integrity center for excellence. improper payments remains a high priority to this administration. although progress has been made, much more remains to be done and we need your help. we look forward to working with the congress to pass the present's 16 budget and we expect additional progress as we execute against our new improper payments guidance during this fiscal year. thank you for giving me the opportunity to testify and i look forward to your questions. >> thank you, mr. mader. our next witness is miss berry davis. she is the director of financial management and insurance at the government accountability office. miss davis. >> chairman johnson ranking member carper, members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to be here today to discuss improper payments and the use of death data to prevent payments to deceased individuals. in face cal year 2014 federal agencies estimated that improper payments totaled $124.7 billion. this represents a significant increase of almost $19 billion from the fiscal year 2013 estimate. the increase can be attributed primarily to increased error rates in three major programs. medicare fee for service medicaid, and the earned income tax credit. these three programs accounted for about 65% of the 2014 estimate. nevertheless improper payments are a government-wide problem. the $124.7 billion estimate was attributable to 124 programs across 22 agencies. 12 programs had estimates exceeding $1 billion. one large progr