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mr. mr. st. croix and mr. chatfield. i am here on my own time as a private citizen. i am distributing to ethics commissioners a new complaint that david pilpel has failed over for 130 days to file the annual required form 700 statement of economic interest sei by the required april 1, 2014 due date. on june 23 i provided you commissioners copies of a different complaint regarding mr. pilpel's violation of the statement of incompatible activities, that is applicable to task force members. during the commission commission meeting on november 25. >> >> commissioner keane thankfully raised a question regarding having a discussion about the ethics commission's executive director's power to dismiss complaints unless a commissioner pulls it off of the consent calendar. for both sea and sei complaints against mr. pilpel i strongly urge this commission to require that a hearing be held on each complaint and that both complaints be addressed by the full ethics commission as expeditiously as possible. state and local law of which pilpel must be surely aware provides that filers
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mr. st. clair. mr. st. clair has never -- he never wrote a memoir. never gave interviews so we don't know for sure but it's my belief that he played a role in getting these tapes made public quickly. once they were public, everyone saw that the tape of june 23rd was a smoking gun that the president knew that mitchell as head of the committee from the re-election of the president was aware of this break in before it happened and that the president agreed with holderman's suggestion and interdeed reiterated it that the cia should be told to tell the fbi that this was something the fbi should stay out of. that strategy did not work. the cia ultimately refused to go along with this approach but there was no question that the president was involved in deciding to ask them to do that. that led very quickly to the president's announcement on august 8th that he was going to re-sign and to his actual resignation on august 9th. so everything happened more quickly after the 8-0 decision. it was 8 because justice renquist had refused himself because he had been
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mr. st. clair. mr. st. clair has never -- he is now dead. he never wrote a memoir, never gave an interview, so we don't know for sure, but it's my belief that he played a role in getting these tapes made public quickly. and once they were public, everyone saw that the tape of june 23rd was a smoking gun. that the president knew that mitchell, as head of the committee for the re-election of the president, was aware of this break-in before it happened, and that the president agreed with holdeman's suggestion, and indeed, reiterated it, that the cia should be told to tell the fbi that this is something the fbi should stay out of. that strategy did not work. the cia ultimately refused to go along with this approach, but there was no question that the president was involved in deciding to ask them to do that. and that led very quickly to the president's announcement on august 8 that he was going to resi resign his actual resignation on august 9. so everything happened more quickly after the 8-0 decision. it was 8 because justice renquist had recu
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mr. dooley appreciate your time. mr. dooley is the st. louis county executive joining us from st. louis. >>> the 72 hour ceasefire is still holding, indirect talks in cairo aiming to reach a lock term truce. al jazeera's charles stratford with more. >> tens of thousands of people used to live here. there were schools, shops, mosques. a gaza neighborhood struggling but surviving under israel's iss blockade. but there were few places in shujayea inhabitable here. she shows me her home, she and 39 members of her family used to live here. a chance to salvage what she can. >> translator: we came in the ceasefire to see our house to take out what we can under the rubble. we hope we can find a few of our things. god willing the situation will become stable again so we can rebuild our lives. >> reporter: there was the sudden sound of machine gun fire. israeli tanks were kicking up clouds of dust as they raced towards the border. that was the first day of the new 72-hour ceasefire. you may wonder why i'm wearing a flak jacket. we're in the neighborhood of shujayea and as we arrived, coming up from the right here we hear that there are tanks down there. you can probably see the dust and they were firing over people's head, people who have gob down to their -- gone down to their farm lands close to the border. the nearby market was busy shoppers buying as much produce as they can afford. after so many failed ceasefires there is a doctor descrip a aree the ceasefire will hold. >> i've lost everything. >> the conditions of the local school are shocking. two hours of electricity per day. dependency on drinking water, overflowing drains. the majority of 500 people here are from shujayea and many are still too afraid to return to see what remains of their homes. >> my house was smashed by an f 16. i'm scared about going back even though there's a ceasefire. i'm afraid they will hit it been. me and my family of 15 have nothing left. >> reporter: in a quiet room at the back of the schoolchildren are given cra crs and paper. their supervisor tells them to draw whatever they like. >> translator: the children are the most vulnerable in this war, we're working with them in order to ease the pain of their chronologpsychological sufferin. >> there is nothing can the people of gaza can do but to hope and pray that this ceasefire lasts. charles stratford, al jazeera, gaza. >>> andrew simmons reports from the site of a soap factory. >> only to find them destroyed, business people have been returning to their factories like this one. $2 million of stock and equipment completely burnt out. and a business that's on its knees now and will make at least 25 people jobless. it was set on fire because of an air strike in the final hours before the ceasefire came about. plumes of black smoke, a massive fire and now, a company that says it cannot understand why israel targeted its business. its raw materials were exported from israel and it had always dwelled on good business throughout the gaza strip and indeed israel and elsewhere in the middle east. other companies are affected as well as a massive economic impact, aside from the humanitarian crisis here, and people are at a stage they're so worried here that there can be any form of permanence to this ceasefire. many feel that they're not confident enough to return to their homes and areas that they feel they're exposed. i spoke to one family who said that they categorically couldn't consider living anywhere near a border. that they will continue living in the shelter. they're not near to peace yet. >> after colleague was infected .1ebola virus, the missionary worked with nancy writebol one of three americans being treated with experimental medicine z map in atlanta. world health organization is holding a panel on the ethics of treating patients with z map. humanitarian aid will soon be sent to areas of eastern ukraine hd hit hard by recent fighting. -k suffering in the separatist held city of luhansk, the announcements t announcement come as ukrainian fighters continue to battle. >> this is a battle for ukrainian forces fighting on the front line. hot and dirty work, which some believe is entering its final phases. after months of co conflict, the ukrainian military claims to be pack in control of three quarters of the territory it lost. >> i think we will regain these territories soon. i won't predict a date. god is on our side. the rest us up to us. >> reporter: in the separatist stronghold of donetske a shell hit a high security prison. on the outskirts of the city. more than 100 inmates managed to escape. >> translator: we escaped from prison 124 when explosion started. we went away and we were caught in neighborhood, they didn't even ask who we are. we went running because we didn't know where to go. we didn't have any choice. >> reporter: almost half the city's population have now fled the fighting. others have sought shelter anywhere they can find it and the military is now urging people the leave donetske. >> we are hiding from the bombs. why are we here? shells are flying over our heads here and there. people are dying. how many people from donetske have already died? it's horrible. >> reporter: back at the base preparations for what lies ahead go on. some of the troops here are returning from the front line. and there is a sense they now believe that they are in the final stages of this battle. but it will have come to a cost to this force which has lost more than 550 soldiers in four months of fighting. emma hayward al jazeera in eastern ukraine. >> coming up. dozens of educators accused of a widespread cheating range and tony stewart pulls out of another race after hitting and killing a fellow driver. police trying to recreate exactly what happened. ah, got it. these wifi hotspots we get with our xfinity internet service are all over the place. hey you can stop looking. i found one. see? what do you think a wifi hotspot smells like? i'm thinking roast beef. want to get lunch? get the fastest wifi hotspots and more coverage on the go than any other provider. xfinity, the future of awesome. >> so a dozen former educators went on trial. accused of conspiring to boost student scores. roberts ray, tell us who these educators are and what they are accused of doing? >> good afternoon, tony. when you think of the education system and teachers you don't really think of jail time, do you? but indeed jury selection began here in atlanta for the scandalous period of the atlanta public school system. we all know that standardized testing has come underway in the past decade in the united states. well it looks like allegedly a couple hundred principals and teachers decided to take this under their own hands over the past decade or so to try boost the scores of the atlanta public school system so they could then get more federal and state funds into the pockets of their own hands and also, their different schools. tony. >> so robert how long is this trial expected to last? >> it looks -- it appears to be about six months. perhaps a little bit less. i mean there are going t to be a lot of witnesses that take stand, a lot of people involved so it should be a long enduring marathon kind of trial ahead of us here in atlanta, tony. >> so almost three dozen people were implicated in connection with this. what happened to the rest of the educators caught up in this scandal? >> well, let me break it down for you. in 2011 state did an audit of some of these teachers. they found that 178 principals and teachers cheated. now many of those folks took plea deals. they worked with those, the government and said yeah, we did this so they're going to be witnesses actually in this trial. many others were on the bridge of retirement so they took the retirement and kind of slipped out the door in that way. the ringleader in all of this her name is superintendent dr. beverly hall in atlanta. these teachers said they would be fired or demoted if they didn't do as she wanted. they will probably go against her. but here's the thing. she is actually not often trial. she has breast cancer and a judge has decided her trial will be postponed. couple of other things. during that period where the test scores were surging in atlanta because of the alleged cheating she made over $500,000 in performance bonuses if you can believe that and in 2009 she was named national superintendent of the year, tony. >> robert ray for us let's get you off that road, i know you're in front of the school but my goodness it's loud there. >>> stocks rose, on an easing of geopolitical tensions, the nasdaq and s&p 500 are higher today. >>> the controversial xl pipeline, could produce up to 121 million tons of carbon dioxide a year, that is higher than the u.s. government's estimate of 30 million tons. researchers said the government did not take into account that the pipeline would help reduce oil prices and lead to more consumption. pipeline will carry the oil from canada to texas. >>> controversial drilling practice of fracking, not everyone is happy with reform. adam rainy is in nuevo leon mexico for more. >> fracking has been sold as a cost effective and clean way to drill for oil and gas despite growing claims to the contrary. placido reyes said these cracks appeared only after pemex began fracking in the area. >> i'm 50 years old and as far as i can remember we have never felt any earthquakes before, they only began after the drilling. >> many told us the same thing. the earth is shaking and their houses are crisscrossed by cracks. geologist rodriguez says earthquakes are increasin incre. >> in a span of only six years, in 2012 alone there were 89 quakes. >> reporter: in the u.s. there's been a large increase in earthquakes near fracking sites. tremors though are not the only concern. fracking requires water, lots of it. just one well requires millions of liters, and the plan is to draw thousands of them. water is already scarce in northern mexico. drought in the recent years has hit the cattle industry hard. rancher has sold rights to drill to pemex on his land. >> many are emigrate to u.s. others to monterey the nearest city, the reason, that in this house, this hacienda, there's no life. what do we live on, cattle and water, if we have none, there's no life. >> fracking has been banned or restricted in several countries. still, the head of pem rvetion exervetioemex saysdrilling is k. >> we have the fourth largest shell reserves in the world. cheaper gas, safer energy, cleaner energy. >> foreign companies are planning to build thousands of fracking wells in this dry, hot region of northern mexico. they promise it will lead to an economic boom but many here also fear long lasting environmental impact. adam rainy, al jazeera, mexico. >>> report that evidence of war crimes in the u.s. military justice system. >> now available, the new al jazeea america mobile news app. get our exclusive in depth, reporting when you want it. a global perspective wherever you are. the major headlines in context. mashable says... you'll never miss the latest news >> they will continue looking for survivors... >> the potential for energy production is huge... >> no noise, no clutter, just real reporting. the new al jazeera america mobile app, available for your apple and android mobile device. download it now >> so the fbi is now conducting a separate investigation into the fatal police shooting of an unarmed teenager in. 18-year-old michael brown was shot several times after scuffling with an officer. the shooting sparked riots over the weekend, more than 30 people arrested and now face felony charges. uraniumy whajamie what is your ? >> fbi coming in and conducting a parallel investigation. so the locals will continue with their investigation, the feds will conduct their investigation. the federal investigation is into whether or not there was a civil rights violation of mr. brown's -- >> are they asking different questions, they're essentially speaking to the same witnesses aren't they? >> that's right, that's right. >> are they asking the different questions? >> same questions of fact, different questions of law. >> i see. in your view, is this a good development? what does this say when the fbi gets involved? the justice department is looking into this as well. >> we have a situation that is dangerously ready to blow. look the feds say we're not coming down there because there was civil unrest. but the fact is tony there was civil unrest. >> there was civil unrest. we have too often you and i talked about too many other cases. ren sharenisha mcbryde, others,w enforcement involved in the killing of the young black man, two, civil unrest and three, local chapter of the ncaa and other ministerial leaders asking for the help of the feds. >> listen to the chief and he's trying to explain this and you get sense that it is still kind of a work in progress, r
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mr mr. karliner here. as you know, he was born in germany. he was a passenger on the ms st. louis. and after the ship returned to europe, mr. karliner ended up in france. his whole family was sent to auschwitz death camp in poland. with the help of a jewish to auschwitz camp. he survived the remainder of the war in hiding. in 1947 he came to the united states. and he's going to be the first panelist speaking about his experience. would you like to introduce our other panelist now as well and invite them to join us up here and then we'll have them speak one by one. the second panelist is dr. margalit bejarano. she's professor amerrittous of spanish at the university of jerusalem and director of the oral history division at the avran harmen of jerusalem. she is the author and co-editor of books that are also for sale. and dr. frank mora is director of the latin american center and with fiu. he was the director deputy of defense. he's taught at the national war college and at rhodes college. dr. mora is the author of five books, including latin american and caribbean foreign policy, and u.s.-latin american relations and pra guy
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mr. brown. and what mr. brown was down. >> reporter: the st. louis grand jury has already started its secret examination of the brown evidence. the beginning of what promises to be a long process. david mattingly, cnn, ferguson, missouri. >> and missouri governor jay nixon has faced scrutiny over his decision in the wake of michael brown's death and he's also facing the larger issue of the racial divide in and around ferguson. he talked about it in a one-on-one interview with cnn's don lemon. >> i used to live in st. louis and experienced and witnessed racial divide but that was years ago. people say there is a racial divide among black and white in st. louis. how do you -- what needs to change in st. louis and in ferguson to amend that, to fix that? >> like i say -- >> reporter: first of all, do you agree with that? >> you clearly feel, and communities across america, issues of race continue to -- we're making progress in the march towards equality and a march towards trust, but we're certainly not there yet. >> reporter: you have two sons, ri
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mr. karliner here. as you know, he was born in germany. he was a passenger on the ms st. louis. and after the ship returned to europe, mr. karliner ended up in france. his whole family was sent to auschwitz death camp in poland. with the help of a jewish organization, mriner survived the remainder of the war in hiding. in 1947 he came to the united states. he is going to be the first panelist speaking about his experience. i would like to introduce our other panelists now and invite them to join us up here and then we will have them speak one by one. or second panelist is the leading historian of cuba's jewish community. she is professor at the hebrew university of jerusalem and was the academic director of oral history division. she received her phd in history from the hebrew university of jerusalem and is the author and co-edit co-editor. i believe the books are for sale. dr. frank mora director of caribbean center and director of politics and international relations at fiu. he served as deputy director of secretary of defense. he has taught at the national war college, national defense university. dr. mora is author and editor of five books including "latin american and caribbean policy". and over 30 academic and policy articles, u.s. latin america
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mr. brown and what mr. brown was doing. >> reporter: the st. louis grand jury has already started its secret examination of the evidence. what is promising to be a long process. experts familiar with this process tell me that of all the evidence we've heard about, of all the eyewitness testimony we've heard about also in public, it could only be a fraction of what this grand jury is in store for. >> that's incredible just to imagine the deluge of information. thanks very much to you, david. now "outfront" dr. vincent demayo, the retired chief examiner. you just heard david mattingly reporting that that final shot, which has been called the kill shot, the shot that caused mike brown his life could be the tipping point in indicting officer wilson. you've seen the autopsy results by the brown family. what can you tell from the autopsy about that kill shot? >> all you can say is that the top of the head was pointing towards the officer. you can't say if he was down on his knees or if he was charging. the shot itself will not tell you anything about that. >> and can it -- you just also heard one witness say brown's arms were up. another say his arms were down. when you say the shot could have been to the head, he could have been charging. he could have had his hands up, unclear from the eyewitnesses. will an autopsy be able to determine whether mike brown's arms were up in surrender or not? >> it can give you a probability. that is, he had a gunshot on the palm of his hand, a tangential wound. well, that's not consistent with putting your hands up to surrender. it's consistent with extending your arm and hands towards the officer and the gun. and then if this bullet that went into the lower arm or possibly the upper arm, then that reinforces your opinion that the arm was extended towards the officer. >> so when you talk about that, dr. dimaio is talking about, it gets to this question of an autopsy shows six bullet wounds. that's what the autopsy picture we have show, paul. even if darren wilson had been afraid, even if there had been an altercation, why would stopping mike brown necessitate that many shots including a kill shot to his head? >> a lot of experts in forensics and in use of weapons will tell you this. with a person as large as michael brown was, he was 6'4", weighed 300 pounds. the officer in firing the shots hit him in the arm for the most part. i guarantee you the officer's going to say he was 30 or 35 feet away. he started running toward the officer and now the officer's pumped with adrenaline. he's nefbous. his life is in danger and he starts firing. he misses. he hits the arm, arm, arm. >> but wouldn't you if you were trying to stop somebody no matter how big they are, shoot at the legs? >> no. these officers trained to shoot dead center. hard to shoot accurately. this misconception, why don't you shoot the arms, the legs, it's hard enough to shoot the body. if he was trying to shoot at him dead center and missed because it's so hard to be accurate. he's going to say that brown was so close to him and still moving, he had to continue shooting. and he probably shotarted to fa forward and was hit in the top of the head. i'm not saying that's what happened. that's what the officer will say. >> is there anything with regard to motive with what the officer was trying to do when he aimed a shotgun -- the gun? >> no, all you can tell is whether the physical evidence is consistent with his account of what happened. and, you know, we don't have the full details of his account. there are other things that enter into it like the blow to the face. if it was to the eye, he might have had double vision at that time. he might not have been seeing very well. so the medical interpretation of the wound to a face is important. >> and that is a crucial point, this issue of what happened to darren wilson's face. it turns out, cnn is reporting, paul bs and i want to be very specific. cnn is saying there is not a fractured eye socket. others have reported that. cnn is saying that the x-rays show that was not the case but he did have a swollen face. so when this goes to the grand jury, is a swollen face enough to save darren wilson from being charged with murder? >> well, first, i'm quite sure that the officer never claimed he had a fractured eye socket. i don't know where that information came from -- >> is a swollen face enough to say i thought i was going to lose my life? >> no. but the officer will say or his attorney will say that swollen face is an indication that there was an altercation at the car where he was struck by michael brown. so he knew and was fearful that michael brown would attack him again. so the swollen face supports that hypothesis that there was violence to begin with. an officer has the right to effect the arrest of a suspect without being submitted to violence. that's called resisting arrest. so that's how that will be used by the officer. >> thanks very much to both of you. obviously this grand jury going to be watched more carefully than almost any other. and we're told that they may not even have all the evidence till mid-october to make that choice on an indictment. >>> next tanks used in the battle in baghdad are now being used by police in the united states. why? 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>> these pictures are of police at ferguson protests. this looks like a war zone in a place far away, but it's in the united states and it's causing big questions about whether police should have this equipment. deborah feyerick has this exclusive "outfront" investigation. >> bullets will not go into this. you can have an explosion in the road, it will not disrupt the vehicle. >> reporter: this 2006 mine-resistant vehicle once saw action in baghdad and fallujah. the inside still looks like it was in the desert. >> pretty big capacity here. >> reporter: now it belongs to the nassau county police department on long island. >> this week because of its heavy armament could enter a hot zone. as you've seen it's very heavy. >> reporter: unbelievable. have you ever taken this vehicle out? >> this vehicle has not been used yet. >> reporter: it hasn't? >> and hopefully it never will be. >> reporter: they're giving out surplus military equipment to police agencies across the country. >> this will withstand gun fire like this one would not. >> reporter: humvees, backhoes, watch towers, in some cases even weapons, all of it handed out for free. >> they're downsizing the military now. rather than dispose of these vehicles or have them sitting in a lot rotting, they've made them available to police agencies like ours and we've taken advantage of it. >> reporter: he oversees police operations here. the equipment is a key part of the city's emergency response and rescue plan. whether responding to natural disasters like superstorm sandy or active shooting situations. >> you know, when it comes down to saving lives, i don't think there's ever too much. >> reporter: do these weapons from the battlefield belong in the hands of police officers? even before the shooting of michael brown in ferguson, missouri, the aclu accused police of becoming dangerously militarized. many police departments across the country are using these paramilitary weapons and tactics without receiving the specialized training. nas aus has strict protocols and training for its officers. other cities do not. >> these are not toys to play about. they're to be used under certain circumstances only. >> reporter: the aclu has criticized lack of oversight and inconsistent training within the nation's many police departments. people are demonizing the use of military grade vehicles in small town police departments. is that fair? >> a lot has changed in the world since 9/11. terrorist groups are attacking us from abroad. terrorist groups are springing up here in the country. police departments today in the 21st century are a giant component to our national security. >> reporter: deborah feyerick, nassau county, long island. >> "outfront" our van jones, a former member of the obama administration and the general counsel for the police officers association. you just saw deborah's piece. obviously there's been a militarization of police. why are these weapon ws from th battlefield to police officers. does it make sense to you? >> it doesn't make sense to me. when you look at this footage, is this the middle east or is this the american midwest? we're not fighting isis here. we're not fighting saddam hussein here. and the problem is when you start to -- when you can't tell the difference between a soldier or a robo cop and a police officer, it gipps to add to the distrust. i don't think that the situation here was enhanced by having so much militarization. you have to be honest. protests and rallies this size or bigger every day. the difference here was this massive militarized response that provoked a lot of what you saw here. the minute you started pulling away from that, things calmed down. it didn't make things better, it made things worse. >> we just played a soundbite from deval patrick. he said he's sick of unarmed black men being shot by police. "usa today" says that between 2005 and 2012 a white police officer killed a black person nearly two times a week. does that shock you? >> yes, it does. and i will tell you that, again, i can't speak to what happens around the nation, but i know it happens locally. we unfortunately have officer-involved shootings all the time. candidly, i don't pay attention to the racial aspect of that. but any time a life is lost, it's a tragedy. how could you ignore that? >> van, a white police officer kills a black person nearly two times a week in this country. >> well, it's something that's shocking when you hear it, but i think it does give a sense of why the african-american community is so sensitive to this. i've heard so many people say, listen, you've got a homicide crisis going on in the black community with so-called black on black crime. why are you so sensitive to this? at least when there's a homicide in the community, you think that maybe somebody's going to go to jail, they'll be charged. in this situation there's a sense of abous of authority and impunity and if somebody can be shot without there being any consequences maybe other kinds of abuse can happen. this is a very sensitive issue in the black community. it has a very longstanding history here. those numbers really bear out why there is that sensitivity. >> go ahead, yeah. >> i was going to throw this in, erin. while that number, there's no way the make that a good number, you still have to look at the circumstances. you can't ignore that. you can't just blanketly say that people are shot and here are the circumstances. not the sort of situation that's universal. you have to look at each case. >> let's look at a specific case. the cell phone video that we obtained that shows another black man shot and killed by police right in the st. louis area this week on tuesday. police say this man came at them with a knife. i want to play the video again for viewers. >> he's ganging up. he's got a gun out. oh [ bleep ]. oh [ bleep ]. oh [ bleep ]. [ gunshots ] >> you represent the officer in the video we just played. why did he go straight for his gun? why were there nine shots? that suspect has a knife, but he's sort of strolling up to him. is that something you thing is justifiable? >> yes, absolutely. he's not just strolling up to him. i've heard the entire video. you have to listen to the audio as well as watch what's going on. but in addition to that, i will tell you that the st. louis police department has released the on-air tapes, they've released the 911 tapes. they know exactly what the officers knew when they approached. there's a witness in the store, the individuals right in front o that store. she said this person had two knives, one in his right pocket and one in his right hand. when they come up, the person who is taking the video, he's talking and he's laughing about this fellow and says he's clearly agitated and he's challenging someone. >> but if it was scary, why would he be laughing? >> no, this is the guy taking the photograph. i don't know why he's laughing. >> he's close enough, he wasn't terrified. >> well, you know, again, i can't speak for him, only from the video. he's walking down, the fellow, the man that's shot here sees that he's being videotaped. when the officers pull up and he moves toward the officers, he turns around and you see his head turn around just for the briefest of moments. and he said, i'm going to be on facebook. i'm going to be on instagram. and he continues towards those officers. now, the thing you have to know here, erin, is the time. this all happens very quickly. when these officers went there, they knew that this man was armed with a knife. and he doesn't meander. he beelines for them. and they shouted, stop, stop, stop. and he didn't stop. >> all right, van. >> they gave him a chance and he didn't stop. once he gets within 21 feet, that's the point of no return. that's the point where they open fire. >> go ahead, van, reply. >> well, first of all, you know, my father was a cop in the military. my uncle just retired from the memphis police force. i'm from a law enforcement family. i get the pressure and in that situation what happened was probably legally justifiable but it was also probable avoidable. i spent a big chunk of my life working in california to get law enforcement to have a different approach to these very situations where you have someone who is probably -- has a mental health issue who is known in the community. he can be talked down and not shot down if from the very beginning the police have that training. the problem is that we now have so many people with mental health issues, we have so many weapons from knives to guns awash and we're not training our police to talk people down rather than shoot them down. i do believe it's probably legally justifiable, but it was probably also avoidable with different training. you got to begin to talk about -- one last thing. everybody in life has to deal with crazy people. bus drivers, nurses, school teachers. learn how to talk people down, not shoot them down. >> thanks to both. >>> two americans with ebola have escaped death. are they still able to spread the disease? >>> plus frightening words from american defense secretary chuck hagel on isis late today. >> they are tremendously well funded. oh, this is beyond anything that we've seen. we'we're trying ourls. best to be role models. we don't jump at the sound of the opening bell, because we're trying to make the school bell. corner booth beats corner office any day. we make the most out of our time... and our money. the chevrolet malibu. j.d. power's highest ranked midsize car in initial quality. the car for the richest guys on earth. 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mr. st. clair. >> that's correct. i might say that under the procedure that was worked out, this may predate mr. st. clair so you'll have to rely solely on my representation, the president indicated a willingness to allow the judge to listen to a few moments of conversation on either end of the portion of the tape that had been listed in this index and analysis as being water gate related just so he would have an assurance that there was a transition from one subject to another subject. that was agreed to by the president as being if a minimal intrusion on the confidentiality privilege for an unrelated subject, certainly by no means an excessive ones. >> i know we have only few very minutes. are you going to address mr. st. clair's opening argument that the dependency of the house judiciary impeachment inquiry either should leave the court to conclude that this whole business before us is a nonjustice matter therefore necessarily should be squashed or in any event because of the possible affect of a decision on the issue presented, upon the impeachment inquiry that the court should stay its hand. >>
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mr. brown and what mr. brown was doing. >> reporter: the st. louis grand jury has already started its secret examination of the evidence, the beginning of what promises to be a long process. david mattingly, cnn, ferguson, missouri. >>> later in our special coverage, missouri's governor talks to cnn. and jay nixon is making no apologies for his reaction to the michael brown shooting controversy. >> make no mistake. those are decisions that i am responsible for. and while i will listen to folks' advice about them, i'm making them. >> jay nixon states his case to our don lemon just ahead. we're back after a very short break. fithen a little family fun...... with breakfast for 4 and wifi. join us for the family fun package. doubletree by hilton. where the little things mean everything. >>> welcome back. a senior hamas official says members of the militant group were behind the kidnapping and killing of three israeli teenagers back in june. >> and this is the first such acknowledgment of hamas involvement. >> translator: the popular will was exerci
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mr. robert mccullough's office in response to that criticism. here's what they have to say. mr. mccullough has been elected prosecutor in st. louis county since 1991. he's been re-elected every four years by an overwhelming majority of st. louis county. the people have faith in mr. mccullough and he'll continue to do his duties. this is not going to quiet this down obviously. i should add the federal government believes the investigation being done by the county is very fair and they don't see any reason to doubt that that is going to be done properly, don. >> all right, thank you very much, evan perez, our justice correspondent in washington. meantime, back here in ferguson, missouri, this ferguson, missouri, is represented in the state senate by democratic maria chapel nidap. she joins me now. what are your thoughts today about another night of unrest? >> obviously, there is not a master plan that has been put in place, and there's complete unrest. what we are dealing with right now are two groups of people. one protesters who are peacefully demonstrating, expressing their first amendment rights. and then we have a smaller group of people who have been infiltrating themselves in the crowds and creating all of this unrest. i've been getting reports from my con
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mr. johnson in the "new york times" yesterday, in his interview with the fbi and the st. louis county police last week for nearly four hours mr. johnson, dorian john, with michael brown at the time admitted he and mr. brown had stolen cigarillos. >> allegedly stealing is not an executable offense. >> okay. i agree. but you're now making a different point. you're trying to tell me that's not been disputed. >> why would that officer get out the car and continue to fire shots in him? there was some type of struggle people say happened, but after that michael brown ran away, he was getting shots fired at him, you can't outrun bullets, he turns around and stops. maybe that officer was mad because he wanted to stop in the street and the kid said something that upset him. has that occurred to anyone that people do crazy things when upset. >> both of these men are experiencing this fight or flight instinct and make you do things out of character on both sides. good to see you tonight. >> thank you, megyn. >> michael t. brady also quoted in the trace report you just heard and the "new york times" report also added that the police officer started firing on michael brown as he fled. so that adds something to
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mr. mccaullough has been the selected prosecutor in st. louis county since 1991. the people have faith in mr.mr. m mr.and he will continue to do his duties. jean casser kas secasarez, cnn,. >> midwin, let me ask you first, it's never a simple case when you're dealing with this much media scrutiny, when all eyes are upon you. every move has its critics. in this particular case, the background of the prosecutor, should it matter as much as people are saying it should? >> i think it should matter. particularly since in this case you already have a built-in distrust of elected officials. when you talk about ferguson, you look at how many people came out in the last local election. i think less than 15% of people from ferguson voted in the last election. so that statement that comes from the prosecutor's office that he was a re-elected four times by an overwhelming majority of the st. louis community, not by the 20,000 people in ferguson. so that's one issue. >> 67% african-american. >> exactly. prosecutors have a lot of discretion when they prosecute. their fairness depends a lot on their integrity and ju
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mr. mcculloch has been the elected prosecutor in st. louis county since 1991. he has been re-elected every four years by an overwhelming majority of st. louis county. the people have faith in mr. mcculloch and he will continue to do his duties. and the fact is this case is now going to be in the hands of a grand jury. the citizens of the community, and carol, one other thing that people around talking about, but it's factual. he's a crime victim. his father was murdered. so there is an empathy for other crime victims and those are the parents of michael brown. >> so many troeferses surrounding this case. i want to bring in joey jackson. jean, you stick around. >> joey, why doesn't the governor say, you know, maybe it is time for a special prosecutor, because we don't want any controversy surrounding these grand jury proceedings. why take the chance? >> good morning, carol, jean. it's certainly within the governor's prerogative to step in. when you look at a case like this, it has so much to do with public confidence and with the public wanting and needing justice, whatever that is. so the concern, when it comes to a grand jury is that there are secretive proceedings and it's built that way and designed to protect the integrity of it. therein lies the problem. the people want it to be public. why is he pursuing a grand jury as opposed to a criminal complaint where you would then have a court preliminary hearing to determine if there's probable cause for the arrest. if it went that way, carol, what would happen is that the evidence would be made public, it would be challenged in public, and it would be for everyone to see. the family members, the media, et cetera, and to this point as we know the governor has said, he trusts that the elected representative of this county can handle the case, it goes against the notions of the people. they want more independence. they want perhaps a different way for this to proceed to this point. it's not it will be the grand jury. >> every public official in st. louis seems to be tippy-towing around this case. maybe the prosecutor said this is a racially and politically charged case. i'll let the people decide, right? >> i think you are right. i think you are definitely possibly right and if they do not return an indictment, i heard the district attorney say it would become public, everything that happened in the grand jury. so the public will see what they presented as evidence there. this is a secret proceeding but the d.a.'s office told me we will present to the grand jury everything we have. and take an oath as a prosecutor. >> the problem generally though with grand jury proceedings and i presented many as a prosecutor in my former life but the reality is that the prosecutor is the judge, the jury, and the executioner. so a lot of it has to do in the manner in which witnesses are presented, the spin in which is placed upon those witnesses and yes, they hear everything but it's about a presentation, and so therefore the hope is if and he's making it public after, i guess what he's suggesting is he will do it in the way that presents the evidence fairly, reasonably, so that those 12 grand jurors, nine of which would have to vote if there's probable cause to move forward, there's the hope that he at least presented it in a fair, impartial and factual way. >> i have to leave it there. thank to both of you. i appreciate it. >>> breaking news to pass along to you now. we've been showing you still frames from that horrific video from isis, allegedly beheading an american journalist. the person in that video who spoke about the beheading had a british accent, so british authorities are now combing through that video trying to find out who this terrorist is. cnn is on the phone with more from london. tell us more. >> what we know here is that he has a very zincative british acce accent, what the government is doing now, they are combing through that video. they are using analysis to try and see if they can identify this man through his voice. that might take some time, but it's something they very concerned about because they already know that hundreds of militants have been going from britain to syria to fight there, and it's always been a concern that they may come back. but to see this kind of video, this horrific gruesome video, is definitely very worrying for the government here and they want to find out exactly who he is and who else is out there with him. >> to me, teenage sounds like an -- it just sounds like a impossible task. this terrorist had his face covered. >> he has a distingetive voice. they have been keeping tabs on a lot of people going in. it may be matter of narrowing down who he was associated with, are they going to be able to find other people that might lead them to identify this guy. they estimate about half of the mill tonts going from britain to syria are from the london area. the more they can narrow it down, maybe somebody who might recognize his voice means they might be able to identify him. >> thank so much. i'll be right back. geico's been helping people save money for over 75 years. they've really stood the test of time. much like these majestic rocky mountains. which must be named after the... that would be rocky the flying squirrel, mrgecko sir. obviously! ahh come on bullwinkle, they're named after... ...first president george rockington! that doesn't even make any sense...mr...uhh...winkle. geico. fifteen minutes could save you fifteen percent or more on car insurance. uh, hi. i'm here to drop off my password? 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mr. mccullough has been the elected prosecutor in st. louis county since 1981. he's been re-elected every four years by an overwhelming majority of st. louis county. the people have faith in mr. mccullough and he'll continue to do his duties. so, mark, what happens in the circumstances where the people are saying they don't have faith, the voters apparently have said they do, and how does a special prosecutor ultimately end up in this case, if one does? >> my initial reaction is it's his job, let him do it. whether or not this case has racial overtones to it, which is obviously does, should not affect the way he's going to discharge his duties. i have to think we're in a completely different world. if we're going to have an event which is three quarters of truly a social event and one quarter of a murder investigation or homicide investigation -- >> it's different. >> -- maybe we have to look at it differently and say we will do what we otherwise don't need to do to really gain trust of the people that are going to be the most affected by this. hesitantly, maybe he should say, let's bring somebody else in who is not connected to local law enforcement. >> as we look at today, because today's the only snapshot we have in play, there is this word that we could have a grand jury convene as early as tomorrow. i think we're only on day 11 of this entire case. grand juries often in a case that's similar to this can take upwards of five or six months, paul, before they're seated and hear the whole case. how on earth is this playing out so quickly? >> i've been looking into the situation in other jurisdictions like new york city, how long does it take on average in a police shooting cation to get a grand jury in action and it's usually a long time, as you said, five, six months. sometimes it's a year before they proceed. they're very slow in investigating these cases and presenting the cases. now, why so fast here? one, eric holder, the u.s. attorney general, is in town, and the feds are looking at maybe superseding and taking over the investigation. that's one reason why mccullough might be convening his own grand jury to get the jump on a federal grand jury. the second thing is, if the governor and other political figures start putting pressure on him to allow a special prosecutor to be appointed, he will be able to say, listen, i'm halfway into this investigation, there's no reason to throw me out. so i think that's why mccullough is moving quickly. of course, there's a third thing, the public wants a swift resolution of this problem. >> the public wants a swift resolution to this problem. if there's someone who knows a lot about what the public thinks of a case, it's you, having gone through the zimmerman case. my question to you is this, the public is asking for justice now. no justice delayed. but is just now always the best kind of justice? >> it's not. it's absolutely not. if you rush to the investigation without doing everything right, without crossing every t and dotting every i, then you're going to get criticized for not having done it right. there are dozens of witnesses. there's a lot forensic evidence. we are rushing to judgment because we've gotten so used to the idea of wanting it now. but justice, given time, is going to be the justice most people want. what we really want to try to do is insulate the process from criticism afterwards. whatever the result is, it's going to be looked at and criticized. why rush? look at it and do it right. >> apart from appeals, you really don't get a do over in these circumstances. as i mentioned, that grand jury could hear evidence as early as tomorrow in this case. that's the first step towards a possible indictment for officer darren wilson. what will the grand jury do? what will they hear? and maybe more importantly, will you or anyone else in that community ever know anything about it? might be surprised. that's next. this is charlie. his long day of doing it himself starts with back pain... and a choice. take 4 advil in a day or just 2 aleve for all day relief. honey, you did it! baby laughs! so ally bank really has no hidden fethat's right. accounts? it's just that i'm worried about you know "hidden things..." ok, why's that? no hidden fees, from the bank where no branches equals great rates. big day? ah, the usual. moved some new cars. hauled a bunch of steel. kept the supermarket shelves stocked. made sure everyone got their latest gadgets. what's up for the next shift? ah, nothing much. just keeping the lights on. 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with you. call now to request your free decision guide. ♪ >>> welcome back. the protesters in ferguson, missouri, may get what they want, and that is swift justice for mike brown. there are some unconfirmed reports that a grand jury could be meeting as early as tomorrow to decide whether to charge police officer dash williarren brown's death. the family attorney told anderson cooper he is concerned about prosecutors taking the case to a grand jury because of the secrecy that surrounds grand jury proceedings. >> i'm always concerned about a grand jury because what you want is equal justice and when things go to the grand jury, it's all in secret, as you say, anderson, and nobody knows what the prosecutor presents to the grand jury. so these people need transparency. there's a large distrust there. they know if the shoe was on the other foot, there wouldn't be no grand jury, they would be arrested and charged with crime. we want equal justice. we don't want anything unfair to the officer, but what about -- >> joining me to talk about the potential case, our cnn analyst mark o'mara and paul callan back with me. paul, start me off with the primer 101 on grand jury proceedings. i think a lot of people don't understand, you don't have the right to know. not only are there no cameras, or they rarely ever release any kind of information about what happens, who are those people who make the decisions, what did they hear. >> it's a very secretive process. grand juries have been around for a long time. the idea was, it was a check on the prosecutor. if he was overzealous and looking to charge somebody for political reasons, the grand jury would look at the evidence and say there should be charges or there shouldn't be charges. but as part of that function, secrecy applies. for instance, they take an oath that they can't reveal any evidence that they hear in the grand jury. so a lot of secrecy shrouds the grand jury. and so we'll hear that said as this investigation goes on. a second thing i want to mention, ashleigh, just because the grand jury is beginning this investigation doesn't mean they're going to decide the case instantly. you can carry a grand jury over from month to month. it still could be a long-term investigation. they could vote quickly, but it could also be long term. >> that was my next question. just the fact that it might actually begin tomorrow doesn't mean you'll have any answers tomorrow. in fact, i've heard of grand jury proceedings that have gone on upwards of a year. but you can't imagine that would happen in this case? >> probably not in this case. there's got to be an end point. if it takes 90 days, 120 days to get there, where enough information is given to the grand jury where they can look at it and say, we have enough to make a decision. i'm not sure if he's just giving into the pressure to get the event started. i would much rather see a prosecutor get his act together, get the case together, look at it appropriately and then present it. >> gentlemen, you have heard often the refrain you can indict a ham sandwich. it's not true, but you can get an indictment pretty easily. >> it is pretty much true i think. that comes out of new york, that saying. the chief judge in new york once said that. >> my question to you, if this doesn't get indicted, are we going to have hell on the streets? >> i mean, you know what are we seeing on the streets now. the view, the public view of this case, on the street, is very one-sided. it's against the police officer. >> mark -- >> -- unless the other side gets presented, yeah, i think people are going to have trouble. >> you can indict a ham sandwich and you don't get an indictment here, are people going to accept that? >> no, just not going to accept it. at the very lead, it's a probable cause standard to get the indictment. >> for the first time in this case, we're actually hearing -- somewhat hearing about the officer's side of the story. it's coming from a friend of officer darren wilson. we have that account for you coming up next. plus, and this is a big part of it, how does the officer's account stand up when you hear it side by side with the other witnesses? you're going to get the opportunity to hear the witnesses and the officer's account side by side after the break. you do a lot of things great. but parallel parking isn't one of them. you're either too far from the curb. or too close to other cars... it's just a matter of time until you rip some guy's bumper off. so, here are your choices: take the bus. or get liberty mutual insurance. for drivers with accident forgiveness, liberty mutual won't raise your rates due to your first accident. see car insurance in a whole new light. call liberty mutual insurance. >>> some of the most critical evidence in the investigation into the death of 18-year-old michael brown could certainly be eyewitness accounts, shooting. let's be clear here. there are vastly differing versions of what happened during that shooting. a friend of darren wilson's has come forward claiming the officer was bum rushed by the unarmed teenager, citing what the officer has said in his account. but the witnesses say that brown was not attacking the officer. the other witnesses from the scene. i want you to listen to a phone call that was made to the dana show on radio america by a woman claiming to be someone named josie who details the officer's version of the events. >> -- get to be about 35 feet away and, you know, darren -- first protocol is to pursue. he stands up and yells police. michael and his friend turn around and michael starts taunting him, oh, what are you going to do about it, you know, you're not going to shoot me. then he said all a sudden he just started to bum rush him. he just started to come at him full speed. he just started shooting. and he just kept coming. so he really thinks he was on something because he just kept coming. it was unbelievable. and then so he finally ended up -- the final shot was in the forehead. >> cnn has confirmation from the authorities that that is indeed the version of events that was given to them and the account from the officer in question. so now that you have that picture, i want you to listen once again ton those witnesses who came forward last week shortly after the shooting. and perhaps you can see where they are apart. >> he was trying to getway and the officer again reached out and he grabbed his arm to pull him into the car. now it's like the officer's pulling him inside the car. he's trying to pull him away. at no time the officer said that he was going to do anything until he pulled out his weapon. his weapon was drawn. he said, i'll shoot you. or i'm going to shoot. and the same moment, the first shot went off. and we looked at him. he was shot. there was blood coming from him. we took off running. as we took off running, i ducked and hid for my life because i was feared for my life and i hid behind the first car i saw. my friend, he kept running. he told me to keep running because he feared for me too. so as he was running, the officer was trying to get out of the car and once he got out the car, he pursued my friend, but his weapon was drawn. now, he didn't see any weapon drawn at him or anything like that, us going for no weapon. his weapon was already drawn when he got out the car. he shot again and once my friend felt that shot, he turned around and he put his hands in the air and he started to get down but the officer still approached with his weapon drawn and he fired several more shots and my friend died. >> i saw the officer pulling him in. i saw him trying to pull away. i got on my phone to try to get a video because it didn't look right. i didn't know exactly what was going on but i know it didn't look right for someone to be rassling with the police through the police window. but i didn't get the video because a shot was fired through the window, so i tried to get out the way. as i pull on 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forensics can get to the truth? >> the forensics will give us detail regarding angle of entry with respect to the bullets that were fired. they are -- they can actually use long sorts of tubing to put into the wound site to trace which way the bullet went. that will give us more detail about whether it was a shot from behind or a shot in front. this is still quite vague in term, of the forensics, despite the dr. baden press conference. >> speaking of vague, the press conference, this drawing of the positions of the actual shots, it seemed to leave a lot of questions unanswered, like trajectory, like stippling, like gunshot residue, all the kinds of things that might help you actually understand a little bit clearer where the bullets were fired from, how they were fire and what position the body might have been before it actually was felled. >> i think forensics are going to help us to a certain extent. they will do just that. they'll give us the geography. they're not going to really tell us what was going on between the the two individuals. whether or not michael brown was coming towards him or bum rushing him as someone said and how the officer was responding. don't forget, those six shots probably were taken -- took about 2 1/2 to 3 seconds to be shot. not very much time. reaction time was about a second to a second and a quarter. somebody can cross over 20 feet in a second. so when you start adding that into it, you have to look at the officer not in the cold light of day, what he was going through and what he perceived. >> at that moment. >> the whole issue, was he perceived himself to be in fear of bodily injury. >> the two accounts of michael brown spinning around, having been shot. it might have been about a grazing shot. but the two accounts of him spin around and putting hands up, could these different accounts, perhaps the witness account of the officer as related by josie and the witness accounts of the two people on the ground, tiffany and dorian, could they have perceiveded what that action -- and i'm just going to sort of do it, if you're spinning around with your hands up, could have meant? to tiffany and dorian, could it be surrender? to an officer, could it be attack? >> i think they're actually quite consistent. and it depends upon what you think you're seeing. now, let's take it -- >> the bum rush is one thing, i will say this. the bum rush is bum rush, not position of a body. >> well, let's take it from what we're hearing now about the officer's standpoint. if he is pursuing who he considers to be a dangerous suspect and he's yelling stop and the suspect then turns and then starts running towards him with his hands out like this, somebody looking from a window -- tiffany, by the way, i was double-checking, she was in a car when she sees this. by the way, she also is reaching for her camera so she can film it so i'm not so sure she was watching the whole incident just based on what she said. she says she sees him holding the hand up in surrender. how is that different from rushing forward with your hands out in front? it's very, very close. as mark says -- >> i'm not sure it's close. i would argue -- if i were an attorney in a court of law -- >> you can argue all you want, but the officer, the officer's look, as mark indicated, you can cover 20 feet in 1 second. this is 34 feet according to one of the witnesses. so you're talking about less than 2 seconds. and this 6'4", 300-pound person is going to be on top of the cop. >> let me ask this, we do not know any of the forensics from the service revolver of this police officer, nor do we know any of the forensics from the holster, two very important parts of this picture. if this comes out, and this is a big if, that there might be dna or a fingerprint of the deceased on the weapon, does that change the calculus for what happened several seconds later in the shooting? >> i think it does. it gives some insight. because it's the perception of this officer. if this officer knows, let's say that's true, that they tried to get his gun, that he now has not only opportunity but the obligation to arrest this person, because a felony was committed, battery on law enforcement officer, now he's got to react to it. once that person turns around to him, if he's already been the -- been seen or shown an aggressive tendency by mrm, he's going to react with that thought in mind with very little time to do anything else but react. >> again, i think we all have to remember, this did not play out in slow motion. this played out in a matter of seconds. probably all of it in less than -- >> 2 to 3 seconds. once he's out on street, yeah. >> easy to monday morning quarterback. real hard if you're any of the players on the ground, including witnesses. it is so hard to be a witness and to recount -- >> which is why we should be waiting until all the evidence is in before we decide -- >> witnesses -- >> by the way, the evidence may show the officer's guilty but we have to see all the evidence first. >> i agree with you 100%. paul, mark, thank you both, do appreciate that. if officer wilson's story is true, did he react correctly? you heard mark o'mara talk about 20 feet can be advanced in one second. so coming up, a law enforcement trainer is going to join me to talk about protocol. and what evidence could tell investiga
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mr. kris king, editorial director of the st. louis, missouri, newspaper. take a listen to what mr. johns hadn't to say about living in this community and then you and i will talk. >> this is my community. i walk down here, saw people from my church, people i went to school with and people that i feel are a part of this, and the frustration is in my household too. i have a young son that's 21 a daughter that's 23 and have to answer the same kweps that the parents out here have to answer, and -- >> reporter: and those are? >> can my son and daughter walk the streets and feel safe? can my son and daughter walk with pride? and i'm going to make sure i do everything that they can have that. >> reporter: st. louis is a very insular community. i lived here. it's about where you went to high school? where your community roots are? that makes a big difference, doesn't it? >> made a huge difference. he made good commands decisions. took the s.w.a.t. team off the street. the previous chief had an active shooter model. you're training a sniper on peaceful protesters running around with guns. you need to firchd the dangerous element, nutriize it, not point guns at peaceful people. >> reporter: sitting back in new york on the days leading up to last night and all the unrest, people could not believe what was happening, could not believe it looked sort of like an occupied territory occupied by the military. once i got here and captain johnson was in control, quite a different feeling. people were walking up to him as he came to our camera position, hugging him, wanteding to touch him. what made the difference here? is it because he's african-american? part of the community? is it because they can relate to him? >> i'm sure the young men and women that led the protest saw a more sympathetic, paternal figure a huge influence on the outcome, but really the command decisions treating it like a protest rather than like an active shooter, who like every persons running around with a gun when the only persons with the guns were the police officers. >> reporter: was it political decision or social decision to have captain johnson come in? >> it technically was a political decision because politicians made it and made it always with political calculation but wouldn't have put a commander in place, replacing one who had done such a bad job. wouldn't have given it to a commander who rein ready for the task and obviously this man was. >> reporter: you had very harsh things to say about the st. louis county police chief. you think he really botched this? >> he completely botched it and shouldn't have his job after this. >> reporter: why do you say that? >> if you had a job and your decisions brought a militarized atmosphere to a relatively peaceful community, you would lose your job. this man should not have his job after today. >> reporter: do you think that police can have the confidence of the community, and i'm talking about the ferguson police? do they have the confidence of the community after this? essentially, they have been removed from their posts? >> they don't have the confidence of the community. >> reporter: can they police again? >> they will continue to police it. more responsibly and in a way that doesn't rile these folks up again, we'll have to see. they'll need to do diversity training, diversify their leadership, diversify their beat korngs completely rethink how they do everything in the polices for in ferguson, st. louis county. >> reporter: interesting to me. as i was going to see captain johnston appeal to him to come on to cnn he was surrounded by local police office, police officers from all over missouri. as we walked up the police officers, what are you doing here? and captain johnson was like, let them come in. what is it, what is the disconnect here that people don't understand? people -- we're not here to cause trouble, and i think most of the people who are here, even the people in the community protesting, are not here to cause trouble but looked at as a troubling figure. >> is started with two young men told in a rude tone and with a curse word to get out of the street. if that police officer initially saw those kids on the street works have let them walk down the industry, oh, hey, folks, would you get off the street? there's no rapport between the police officers and the community. we should nerve verify gone through a war zone. we should be grieving michael and we should be investigating his death. we should know the shooter. we should have an autopsy report. there's a lot of things that should have happened other than 2k diffusing this situation. >> reporter: people up all night a few stragglers, carrying signs saying, no justice, no peace, but pretty much as i have been saying and ana has been saying, it was a very peaceful protest last night. people just wanting to let off steam and just wanted to be heard, kate. >> continued to let off the steam but the questions remain. now the focus can sfwurn the investigation into getting those answers done. great to have don lemon here. thanks. >>> and the other big story we're watching in iraq. iraq's current prime minister nuri al maliki finally giving in to pressure and stepping aside paving the way for what could be a more unified iraq that can go on offense against isis. al maliki is pledging support for the prime minister delegate. meantime, president obama says the militant siege in northern iraq has been broke with the help of u.s. air strikes. the yazidis claim thousands are still trap and mount sinjar. cnn's nick paton walsh is live in baghdad with the very latest. what do you make now of the latest statement from nuri al maliki? >> reporter: well, finally after today's pressure he said that he would finally relinquish power. the writing was on the wall. shia politicians, washington, paris, saying it was time for him to go. holding out for something. maybe his safety in the future. appeared on state television saying i'm willing to step down now. saying it's time for the prime minister designate, welcomed to the post by a man president obama spoke to and said could potentially bring some is sense of unity to a fractured iraq. saying it was time for him to take up the job. 26 hours to get a cabinet together and a big task of trying to heal the rift between the shia majority they run much of the government here in baghdad and the suni majority in the north who feel disenfranchised and allowed lots of space for isis militants to take control. swi that important for xbleshg saying isis is worse a threat now than al qaeda at this stage it's the iraqi army who has to do the bulwark to get it done. if it can pull this together, lots of signals from everyone they hope that's the case saying it's a tough road ahead, pulling together, maybe they do it. that unity, maybe they can come in and isis get pushed back. >> what is the role for the united states in iraq going forward? a key question definitely from coming over here. thank you. >>> and the other headlines? >> struck by what nick was saying, disenfranchise and need for healing, you can say that about missouri and the area where he is, and in gaza. negotiations for a long-term deal are ongoing. israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu who is talking tough, though, saying israel will act forcefully even to 0 a "drizzle" of mortar or rocket attacks. israelis now preparing to defend itself in a war crimes inquiry over the gaza conflict. israeli leaders are skeptical of the u.n. human rights council saying past statements by those chosen to head the decision ruled him out as a fair judge. >>> and the african ebola outbreak is expected to continue for some time. the w.h.o. places the death toll at more than 1,000 but says the number underestimates the size of the outbreak. meantime, the u.s. started evacuating members of staff in sierra leone thursday saying it is done out of an abundance of caution. >>> texas governor's actions to take up observation along the mexican border. 1,000 troops called up by perry last month saying they're necessary to secure the board around deal with a surge in illegal immigration. >>> new insight into robin williams death. diagnosed with parkinson's disease but not ready to go public with it. parkinsons is known to cause depression and may have exacerbated williams' condition. his widow says the comedian was sober in his last days. >> interesting to hear that with his battles with addiction over the years saying he was sober, not one of the things he was facing. maybe the parkinson happen something to do with it. >>> and the name of the officer who shot michael brown set to be released within hours. why did police hold on to it for so long? 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well technically, you said it. ♪ >>> welcome back. the scene in ferguson, missouri, is much calmer than just 24 hours ago when molotov cocktails, tear gas and rubber bullets were exchanged between protesters and police. instead officers led by state trooper now overseeing the protest walked side by side with demonstrators last night. you see it there. today the community may get an answer to one of their questions. police are expected to release the name of the officer who shot and killed the unarmed feenage teenager, michael brown. let's examine what's going on on the ground, coordinating military relief efforts after hurricane katrina as well as tom strieker, former police chief of cincinnati and consults for law enforcements. good morning to both of you. >> good morning. >> we've said it a bunch of times this morning already. what a difference a day makes, which shows -- i'm not sure if if shows, general, you can tell me, the change in 24 hours. does that show how easy it was to fix the problem, or just how bad the problem was? >> well, i think you've stated it there. it was bad, and -- but the solution was leadership. leaders build teams. teams build confidence. confidence builds speed and speed saves lives. i think captain johnson understands that. he was in a position to see it and in a position to act, and that's what good leaders do and i commend him and his team to continue that work of working with and for the people. >> tom, lay it out for me. what was done right yesterday? >> well, i think number one, the police finally -- i shouldn't say finally, but the police understood that participate of their job is to protect, no doubt, lives and property, but the other part of it is to also facilitate the exercise of constitutional rights in america, and if the exercise of those rights happens to be free speech and people need to do that by walking down the street in mass to protest the actions of government, then that's certainly something that the agency has a responsibility to help do, and i think that the police agency did that very well last night. >> and general, look at the previous nights. what was done so wrong? was it simply the riot gear that the officers were wearing? was it the fact that the armored vehicles were kind of on the front line? what was done so wrong that sparked such violence? >> i think the use of the amount of non-lethal weapons, and i might say this, kate. non-lethal weapons are really not non-lethal's they can hurt you. they can incapacitate you, and they create like a shock and awe on the ground. i think that stunned a lot of people across america who earlier had seen people out trying to exercise their constitutional right to assemble, and to speak about an issue that had concerns with and the heavy use of those military weapons -- the challenge we're going to have going into the futch sir that there's a lot of those weapons available. non-lethal, contractors come to police departments, to help them write out the grants. send the grant requests to dhs and the all of a sudden you start getting the body armory in, the night scopes as well as these non-lethal weapons. so i think police across the country, hopefully will learn from this and take a look at when should you use this and how do you go to that level of escalation and use of force? >> it's already met with criticism. the move by the government to come in and put the state highway patrol in the leadership role rather than the county police. tom, let me ask you this. the st. louis county prosecutor said this about this changeover. he called it shameful. that it denigrates the men and women of the county police, and he also said this. he said, i hope i'm wrong, but i think what nixon, that's the governor of the state, did, may put a lot of people in danger. is there any way that this could backfire? >> well, here's something i think you have to think about. the issue that government la to act as a whole. local government feeds into state government. state government feeds into the federal government. from the governor's perspective and i'm assuming this is what he's thinking is that something wasn't working, because there was so much activity that was undesirable activity, was occurring over the last four nights that that governor felt he had to make a change and sometimes a change in leadership is something that's necessary. that doesn't necessarily mean someone has to have their head cut off, but it certainly means we need to go in a different direction. if someone can identify the correct person which it looks like they did in this case, move in, change the philosophy how the police are addressing the situation, help restore calm so people can come together and create a dialogue about what's occurred and really take a hard look at everything that occurred under these circumstances, draw out of it lessons that we can learn and apply those lessons to future training and policing as well as in their dialogue with the community, things are going to get a lot better and much quicker, but you have to include that community in all of these types of situations. without the community, and who by the way are the people that provide the agency with the authority and power that they have, are very necessary component of any, any effort moving forward from this point on. >> tom hits on a really important point we should end on, general. your take. the short-term problem, at least for now seems they've been able to calm. then this long-term issue of trust amongst the community. how does the county police -- i mean, you could go from the top down. the governor to state patrol to the county police to the local plit. how do they begin to regain the trust of the community? you've got these local police forces who need to work amongst these citizens? >> i think you'll see a lot different police department, i hope, after they get a couple days' rest and come back on the line and do self-reflection and do, as we say in the trade, some afteraction report, lessons learned, that this will be a time for them to reflect, and, remember, at the time, the worst night we had, two nimt nights those police officers in a department that size were probably operating on two or three hours sleep. that adrenaline is flowing and they think they're doing the right thing by suppressing the crowd as opposed to protecting the crowd, i think you'll see a different police department when they roll back out under the circumstances that they've been through. kate? >> you can be sure that the community and beyond will be watching that really closely now. general russell henri, tom strieker, thank you. good to have your insights and to see calm in ferguson, missouri. thank you, both. >>> take a break. coming up next on "new day," president obama weighing in on the events of ferguson, missouri, but is he doing enough? 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>> reporter: just now learning, john, these ukrainians inspectors, doing their work several hours now are finding nearly empty trucks in that russian convoy in many cases. there is some humanitarian aid, but a lot of trucks are almost empty. aft the same time, new reports that a convoy of russian armored personnel carriers, tanks on wheels used to transport troops into the battlefield were spotted by western journalists and confirmed by the ukrainian as crossing the border carrying plen with military uniforms and the ukrainian government thinks this convoy is heading right towards an area that has nearly been recaptured, we're told, by the ukrainian government. the rebels control just a small area and their situation, we're hearing, is so dire, they're trying to recruit inmates from local prisons to help them fight. this gives light to the skepticism on the part of the ukrainian government. why is there a russian aid convoy during the day but shipments going across the border, armed convoys, overnight, john. >> every reason for deep, deep skepticism. the situation changing by the moment. thanks so much. >>> a look back at home, the weather with meteorologist indra petersons looking at it. a mess of week from the midwest out east. what's it looking like now? >> finally drying out, kate. huge. detroit, d.c., eventually into long island, and out towards massachusetts. finally look at the eastern half of the country. very much more stable conditions here. you can see actually how dry for the entire eastern half. this is good news. plus it's the weekend, guys. hello? temperatures where they need to be. especially the northeast. temperatures better going through saturday and sunday. going to climb up a little warmer. mid if not upper 70s, maybe a few 80s out there. down in the southeast, warmer. climbing a little to above normal. not far off. talking low 90s out there. one thing we'll watch, yes, some rain this time of year. watching the sen trap plains maybe in towards the midwest tomorrow. in through saturday. by sunday, another front makes showers in towards the northeast itself. the heaviest amount really should be on saturday. pretty much severe weather, two to four inches possible. central plains making its way closer. omaha, towards st. louis. a localized spot there. it's on sunday you'll see more of the widespread rain out there. very mild. talk about the rain totals, only an inch or so. not a big deal. weekend looking pretty good. loving it already. >> it's the weekend. hello? as indra petersons says. it's the weekend. hello? >> all relative, looking at less than an inch of rain and you had, what was it in one day? >> 9.5 feet. >> 13 inches. >> unbelievable. >> it was. hello? >> thanks, indra. >>> coming up next on "new day," president obama spoke out yesterday about the unrest going on in ferguson, missouri, but should the president be doing more to directly address the issues of race and police brutality. >>> plus the name of the officer who shot michael brown set to be released wichbthin hours. what we now know about this case itself, we'll break it down, coming up. the wonder of summer is that i never know what kind of adventure awaits. the days are longer, and the breeze feels a little sweeter. and, thanks to volvo, i'll pay nothing for repairs or maintenance for 5 years, nothing. they even cover my first month's payment. so, i'll be happy wherever the summer takes me. the wonder of summer event. the 2015 volvo s60 sedan with complimentary first month's payment. starting at $319 a month. >>> there is never an excuse of violence by police or a cover for vandalism or looting. also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests. >> president obama speaking out for the first time about the situation and violence that rocked the community of ferguson, missouri, this week over the shooting death of unarmed teenager michael brown. overnight that city finally saw calm after the state highway police stepped in. joining us this morning to sort through the issues, attorney and radio personality and my colleague and cnn anchor don lemon on the ground in ferguson, seeing how things have changed overnight. don, start with that. i don't think it can be said enough it is a very different morning that ferguson is waking up to than just a few days ago? >> reporter: oh, absolutely. very different morning and last night, a very different night. when i got here on the scene, i expected something much different. i thought it would be a lot more volatile, and as tensions were high. and then yesterday i was greeted, people were happy that i was here and i saw the man who is now in charge of this investigation, as we rolled up here yesterday, actually out with protesters, michaela, and mo, out with protesters, hugging them, marching with them saying, you know what? i have community ties here. i'm from this community. i know you. i feel your pain. i can relate to you. that made a huge difference in the way people reacted. >> mo, in a way, it strikes me as a surprise it took so long to do this. it seems like policing 101. get into the community, talk to folks. it doesn't surprise you, or does it? >> no. it doesn't surprise me at all, michaela, because this is a problem rampant throughout our country. people that are just not experienced or respectful or compassionate enough to go into the community. the difference that state patrol, highway ronny johnson made is that he has compassion for this community. he also decided to allow them to communicate they're feelings to them and he listened and got in the crowd. a lot 67 people say, well, oh, because he's black and he got in there and they respected him automatically. no. it was because he came from the beginning with respect for the community, respect for the situation, and that is something that we had not seen in ferguson over the last five days. that's what made the difference. >> yeah, but -- >> don, i want -- go ahead. >> reporter: it does make a difference. i think it does make a difference that he's african-american, because this is a city that is, the majority of the city is african-american and the majority of the police force is white. speaking to diversity. when it comes to all facets of life, not just policing. it helps to have someone who looks like them in a position of power and authority and someone who can relate to them. last night, listen, the protests lasted until 2:00o 3:00 in the morning. most of the police officers went home and the community leaders took over. all they wanted to do, be heard, vent and let off some steam, ma cape makayla. >> i don't think the same skill sets, training, compassion, respect. >> reporter: i agree. >> that was missing from the begins with ferguson police department. >> i want to bring in the comments from the president. there have been those that have said they wanted to hear from the president. many agreed that, or hoped he might make some comments that would have a bit of a personal nature in the same way that he did when trayvon martin was killed. he spoke very emotionally and personally about that and got a great deal of criticism. some saying, don that he was directly speaking to african-americans instead of the whole nation. in a way, some are now criticizing the president that he didn't do more. some black critics saying we need him to do something substantive here and address this ongoing issue of policing in our communities. damned if he does or damned if he doesn't, in a way. >> right. >> reporter: and what is wrong with speaking to certain groups of americans? the crisis at the border. the kids who were going through awful events coming over the border. what is wrong with speaking to the hispanic population? what's wrong with speaking to african-americans if they're in crisis in this country? what's wrong with speaking to women if women are in crisis in this country? yes, it is damned if he does, damned if he doesn't. there's nong wrong with that. if he is the one person in country who has the authority to speak to black people it should be the first black president of the united states. >> what do you think he needs to do, though? >> eric holder at the justice department needs to pay attention to not just ferguson. ferguson is staten island. ferguson is sanford, florida. ferguson is new york city. there's so many police departments that have these problems. i think it's a national situation to deal with the state, individual police departments, and that's what i think eric hold ker can do. put dollars towards making sure the states can begin to revamp police departments. like that chief of police in ferguson, he's got to go. that's how it has to start happening. there have to be heads chopped for people to understand this can no longer go on and they need a team of people to do that on a federal level. >> don, final thought with you. let me ask you, in terms of the difference overnight, i'm wondering what people on the ground in ferguson are saying about the reaction from the president, from the governor? what is the overall tone in that respect? about what outside authorities and leaders are saying? >> reporter: well, just as people said they wanted the president to speak up sooner. they wanted the governor to speak up sooner and the governor to come here. people have largely put those events behind them and are now looking forward to the future. the important thing to realize, just because the protests overnight were not violent, the only thing they has had some fireworks doesn't mean that the issues have been addressed here. that doesn't mean that racism in this community has been addressed and doesn't mean that we don't need to, and meaning, "we" as a country, as mo said, we don't need to address issues when it comes to the disconnect between the police department and the young men and especially men of color in this country. those things still need to be addressed, and now there's a way forward. >> lacht thought. >> they figured how to make a difference in ferguson overnight, by bringing in a new team that was equipped to handle the situation. that needs to happen much earlier on in all of these situations that happen in the different cities. >> mo and don -- >> reporter: not being in riot gear made a huge difference. look at, people who look like the police officers who look like they are members of the military, that should not happen in cities and states across the country. >> mo, don, thanks for a great conversation. we'll watch. this situation is diffused but the problems underlying it have not been addressed. >>> a short break on "new day." >>> up ahead, the man we're talking about, this man right here, ronald johnson, cnn had an exclusive ride-along with him. a busy night with him. we're going to bring it to you, after the break. where the reward was that what if tnew car smelledit card and the freedom of the open road? 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and what do we not know? our susan candiotti has a look. >> killed for no reason. >> reporter: an unarmed teenager shot dead on a saturday afternoon. how did this happen? moments earlier, dorian johnson says he and his friend big mike were walking in the middle of a neighborhood street when a police car pulls up. >> and the officer says, get the [ bleep ] out of the street. verbatim. his words. >> reporter: johnson says a squad car starts to leave but goes into reverse backing up within inches of the teens. >> at that time, reached out the window with his left arm. grabbed on to my friend big mike's throat and is trying to pull him in the vehicle. >> reporter: what little police have said differs sharply. police say the two struggle over the officer's gun. >> there was at least one shot fired within the car. >> reporter: mike brown's friend says brown was just trying to get away. not fighting for the gun. >> i saw the fire come out the barrel and i instantly knew was a gun. i looked at my friend, big mike, and i saw he was struck in the chest, or upper region, because i saw blood splatter down his side, his right area, and at that time, we both took off running. >> reporter: another witness is watching from a distance. >> the officer gets out of his vehicle and pursues michael as he's shooting his weapon. michael jerks his body as if he was hit. >> reporter: at th-- >> at that time he told the officer he was unarmed, stop shooting. >> turns around faces the officer, puts his hands up and the officer continues to shoot him until he goes down to the ground. >> i watched him until his body stopped moves and then i ran. >> just got another call stating that it's a officer-involved shooting. >> reporter: as crowds gather, brown's uncle rushes over to identify his nephew, but police hold him back. brown's mother desperate for any detail. >> how many times my son was shot. >> reporter: we don't even know that. police do, but refused to reveal even that irrefutable fact. susan candiotti, cnn, new york. >> really interesting to hear that all pieced togetherbreak this down more. with us this morning, joey jackson, hln legal analyst and criminal defense attorney and paul callan, cnn legal analyst and former new york city homicide prosecutor. paul, start with you. sta start with not what we know but about to know. we're about to know the name of the officer who fired that gun. what do you think that does to the kmurchlt or just community, legal jeopardy is this officer in? >> we know remarkably little about the facts of the case considering the level of violence going on in ferguson, missouri. usually in these shootings, the investigation is a lot more open and transparent. the reason, to give the public confidence that law enforcement authorities are doing what they're supposed to do. instead, in this case, the officer's name was kept secret, and that's very unusual, because it creates the impression that there's a cover-up going on, and it increases this conspiracy theory in the community, and i think that's been a major problem in the investigation. >> so that comes out today and at least that conspiracy part of it, perhaps, will subside a little bit. joey, the case itself, we heard interesting witness accounts there that had been given to cnn over the last few days about what went on. i think, to me, there seem to be two key moments. what went on at the police car itself, between michael brown and the officer, and then what went on a way from the police car when these witnesses say michael brown had his hands in the air. what matters legally? let's start with, in the car? >> absolutely. good morning, john and paul. the reality, everything matters. you want to piece together all the facts here. when you look at this you have to examine the police officer's actions. lethal force historically is a last resort. it is a last option, not a first option. so you have to ask, why? what made this officer draw his weapon and then discharge that weapon? what actions were they engaged in at the time, such that the officer felt that he was in imminent fear for his life? the second issue, then when you address this, john, becomes the proportionality of the force used to the threat posed. why was it necessary as opposed to using a least restrictive form of force such as pepper spray if then had it, such as a taser if he had it or anything else that would make this happen. then when you examine this, you have to piece together the evidence and say, if there was a shot at the car, which may or may not have been justified and as the facts unfold, it appears not. why when michael brown was running away, not posing any imminent threat, harm or danger, was he then shot again? so finally, john, what i think will happen, ballistic tests will be done to term muzzle to distance of that gun to where the target was unfortunately that target being michael brown. that forensic evidence will establish what the distances were of those shots and forensic evidence will be done on the car in terms of dna to determine, is there any on the gun? any on the car? and what exactly happened to -- >> can i jump in? i want to break it down into two parts here. based on what you say, in the car or near the car itself. what would it have taken, then, for it to be legally justifiable for the officer to shoot his gun at the car? then we'll talk about away from the car in a second. >> what joey says excellent. a two, maybe three-part analysis. we have the statement the police officer has an injury to his face. we also know that from eyewitness testimony that maybe a shot was fired in the car. so was somebody reaching for the weapon? was the officer in fear of his life and the gun discharged in the car as a result of a struggle? now, if that's the case, the use of force in that discharge in the car maying justifiable. >> maybe. maybe, but take away -- >> step away from the car, if as the witnesses say michael brown has his hands in the air, twhaen? >> then what? >> part two. the fleeing doctrine. if you committed a felony, maybe assault on a police officer. maybe that's what the cop will claim, and you're fleeing, the cops used to have the right to shoot you. they don't anymore under u.s. law. a felon can only be shot if he poses a danger to himself or somebody else. when he turns, and if he did turn with lis hanhis hands up a officer shot them, that's unreasonable force and that's criminal. >> no matter what happened inside the car, then, if as these witnesses say he had his hands up trying to get away from the car, that's the problem for this officer? >> absolutely it is. very troubling. certainly, again, police are in a position of protecting and serving. when you have someone posing no imminent threat whatsoever and apparently in a surrendering position what is the need then for lethal force or any force for that matter when a person clearly is indicating i mean you no harm. i'm not causing any trouble. i'm unarmed. at that point, certainly, there would be no justification for the shot, and that's where a prosecution potentially could be forthcoming in this case. >> joey jackson, paul cowen, glad to have you with us. the facts that will come out in the coming days and weeks starting today with the name finally of this gentleman. thanks for being with us. >> take care. >> you, too. >>> much more news coming ouingf missouri. >>> no excuse for using excessive force. >> ron johnson is now in charge here. >> protect the safety of the people in this community. >> michael was a very peaceful guy and we want to remain peaceful. >> the prime minister nuri al maliki finally agreeing to step down. >> the siege at mount sinjar has been broken. >> air strikes will continue if needed to keep pushing isis back. >>> robin williams was in the early stages of parkinson's disease. >> parkinson's itself can cause severe depressive symptoms. >>> good morning and welcome back to "new day." john berman is here. chris is off. a sense of calm has finally returned to ferguson, missouri, it seems. the streets there, largely quiet overnight allowing almost, following almost a week of escalating tensions between police and protesters after the shooting death of 18-year-old michael brown. the missouri state highway patrol is now in charge. the division was calmed in after local authorities seemed to fail for days to ease the community's concerns when the unarmed teenager was shot. >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> you hear it there. thousands shows support for brown including some right here in new york's times square. today we expect to learn the name of the officer who shot michael brown nap name kept under wraps over concerns, the police say in missouri, for that officer's safety. want to bring in cnn's don lemon, live in ferguson this morning. don a very, very different morning there. >> reporter: yeah it is a very different morning. first i want to tell you the police chief in ferguson says they plan to release that name this morning, today, and when pressed when they were going to do it, he wanted to meet with attorneys, get legal counsel before deciding how to do it and when to do it, but we should get information very shortly, and, john, you're absolutely right. the sun went down last night, and came up this morning and there was calm here after days spent yelling at each other, protesters and authorities finally really finding some common ground here in ferguson. a lot of credit is going to this man that you're looking at right here. highway patrol captain ron johnson. you guys mentioned his department was brought down to get the situation under control here in ferguson in a very critical moment and they did just that. cnn's jason carroll went on an exclusive ride-along with johnson to see his approach. >> over here. >> reporter: he's a veteran, but some might call this night captain ronald johnson's first night on the job. >> don't expect any issues, but just in case, there are issues where we have some parties that may get unruly and we need to get out, and call you to come and help us get out. >> folks at intersections. >> reporter: captain johnson took our crew with him on one of his first assignments. your assessment how things are going so far tonight? >> gone fine. i think they've gone well. i think we have to continue to assess it and monitor it. >> reporter: and then came time to meet the demonstrators. >> all right. this is what i'm going to do. i'm going to take a chance. i'm going to have you turn around and go back to the mcdonald's, both of you, then i'll call you when i need you. >> all right. >> reporter: no tear gas, no riot gear. instead call it street diplomacy. >> we love everyone. >> >> reporter: is this the type of reception you expected when you came down here? >> this is -- yes. >> reporter: while there were plenty of hugs and handshakes, tough questions, too. >> yes. come on. >> the scene of the crime. any other person, it they would not be able to leave the scene of the crowd. >> actually they're not allowed to leave the scene. took him for questioning. that's normal. you know what? i'm tired, too, and we're going to get it right. i lived here 42 years. >> what do you make of all of this crowd? all of these people surrounding you like this in this way supporting you? >> don't shoot! >> their voice is being heard. that's all that -- the bottom line, that's what they warrant is the their voice to be heard. >> reporter: did you expect this kind of reception? certainly police were not getting this kind of reception before. >> not to this magnitude. but i know it's good people that live in this community, and i've lived here 48 years of my life. so i know we've got good people in this community. >> reporter: johnson says his approach is and has always been an honest one. >> i just found this out a few hours ago i was going to be in this job. i'm going to be back tonight. if not tonight, i'll be back tomorrow. that's a promise. okay? i'm coming back. >> you sure? don't you lying. i'm going to be looking for you. >> we need you out here. >> all right. i'll be back. i'll be back. >> reporter: when the night was over, finally time to reflect. >> do you feel an overwhelming sense of pressure to take all of this on? >> no, because i don't think there's pressure to the honest. and i think if we treat them with respect and honesty that's all we can do. >> reporter: jason carroll, cnn, ferguson, missouri. >> reporter: hmm. wa huge difference. joined by daniel iceham, retired chief of police for st. louis and mow a criminology professor at the university. amazing to see what ron johns han done. before we get to that what about the releasing of the name? will that make a difference? >> now that the situation is calm, it would be great if the police chief can release the name of the officer. hopefully in the background, they will provide any security and continue to monitor the situation to see if there are any threats that come up against him. >> reporter: uh-huh. go back to what happened here. an immediate shift in tone. what happened? >> well, i think that we got locked in a cycle of this daytime, allowing them to have a peaceful rally and then i believe that the police department felt to control the situation at night they had to use more force. so there was a continual psych that wepsych -- cycle that went on four days but no dialogue. they've reach add common ground. allowing them to peacefully protest, have their first amendment right and also protect the public. >> reporter: you were the chief between 2008 and 2013 and know this community well. what do you make of -- first of ale, let's talk about the protesting, and some of the violence that happened. as i spoke to one of the newspaper editors here, he said there were outside agitators. people who came in and just wanted to cause trouble. they weren't necessarily from the city of ferguson? is that correct? >> that's probably correct, but that happens in all protests. whenever you have a major protest, there are people, local people, who are involved in the pro test and then a wider group from other municipalities and even from out of town who come. it's the responsibility of the police to be able to attack those people who are causing problems but allow the protesters to expose and to have their frustration heard. >> reporter: i know you probably hate to go back and second guess, you know, your comrades, and your co-work others, but the way -- you know, st. louis police have been criticized the way they handled it, ferguson police criticized the way they handled this. do you think they handled it improperly? >> the problem was there was no dialogue. the only way to solve these situations is through a community approach. so i think the first tactic was, let's use force. and people were angry, and that force was not working. so the problem was, they never re-evaluated what they were doing. >> reporter: was there a legitimate fear from police officers -- go ahead? >> i think there was. we all were horrified by the initial stages of this incident. where people were breaking into businesses, they were looting. we saw molotov cocktails. shots fired. we even had reports of shots fired at helicopters. so there was a real concern. >> reporter: a legitimate fear. >> on the part of officers, legitimate fear. >> reporter: let's talk about, i want to get this in, talk about the equipment. the apparatus police are using. a lot of it is coming from the pentagon, surplus from iraq, from afghanistan. and it appears that members of a small police force are members of the military? they're throughout in tactical gear. ron johnson said, i don't want people wearing any of that gear. pointing guns at citizens. what about the optics of all this? what about that equipment? should police forces be equipped with that sort of equipment? >> well, in the wake of 9/11, there are a lot of police departments that bought this type of gear. the original intent was, if we have a terrorist situation -- >> reporter: for training. >> if we have to do a s.w.a.t. entry, search warrants. typically that's what it's used for. it wasn't necessarily intended for these types of encounters. so i think, yes. we do, and law enforcement and the community needs to think how do we use this equipment? is it the proper use in domestic protests? >> reporter: and are those police departments necessarily trained to use that equipment, and does it give them a false sense of security or bolster you know what they can accomplish out in a situation like that? >> in this case, there were multiple agencies that were involved, and they are well trained in terms of s.w.a.t. injuries, but not necessarily using it in a protest scenario. that's something we need to examine. >> reporter: a lot has been made about the racial makeup of the department, the lack of diversity in the department here in ferguson, and ron johnson is an african-american. many in the community believe that they can relate to him, because leez frhe's from here, family member s harassed by police. should the police force at least try to mimic or make up the racial component at least in their -- in the community they're policing? >> i think in this case, the diversity of the police department could have mattered. if there had been a relationship where the community, in the community, where someone involved could have come to an officer and said, hey, this is what we want accomplished. we want to peacefully protest. we want to express our frustration, and that dialogue might have allowed them to ramp down the tension. so diversity matters a lot, because of the different experiences, different backgrounds that you bring to bear and all of that helps a very holistic approach to how you police. >> reporter: having the confidence of the community is very important to police? >> yes. >> reporter: will they be able to regain the confidence of this community going forward? >> they have work ahead of themselves. they need to repair the trust. issues of legitimacy. partnership with the community. i think they can do it, but they have to sit down and this has to be a long, a long discussion about how are we going to move forward? how are we going to partner to keep this community safe? >> reporter: it's not -- that is not going to be easy, considering what happened. >> no, it's not, but i think they can do it. there are police departments that have gone through these incidents before. and i think they can do it. >> reporter: what's your one piece of advice to them? >> my piece of advice is that policing is a partnership. it's collectively working together to keep the community safe. >> reporter: thank you very much. daniel eisen, former police chief in st. louis city. kate, back to you. >> don, we'll get back to you. thanks so much, don on the ground for us in ferguson, missouri. >>> turn our focus overseas. the white house has what it wanted in iraq. the embattled prime minister, nuri al plmaliki stepping down. clearing the way for his successor to try and unite the country against the threat from isis. meantime, though, president obama's claim of victory in working to help free the refugees from the grip of militants on mount sinjar, some say may be premature. cnn's barbara starr is live at the pentagon for us. barbara, you've been following this and breaking news on this all week long for weeks now. what do you make of it? and what are you hearing from sources? is the siege broken, at the administration's claimed? >> reporter: the siege of isis on iraq far from broken. just yesterday a u.s. intelligence official told reporters that isis now is seen by them as a credible alternative, his words, to al qaeda. isis, a credible alternative to al qaeda, and that isis views conflict with the u.s. as inevitable. the problem in iraq right now, maliki may be out, al abadi may be in, but he has to establish a government that can bring the iraqi people together, enough to challenge isis. he's got to get u.s. officials believe the sunis back in the fold, get them away from isis, and sbook an iraqi government. the u.s. did conduct air strikeses in erbil against isis targets. that is not going to push isis back. they are still on the move across northern iraq, and there are still tens of thousands of iraqi civilians suffering in iraq at the hands of isis. so as far as many people see, no siege has been broken. kate? >> and what is going to happen with the iraqi military, and what is going to happen in the next 30 days? key questions no one has an answer for quite yet. brash starr at the pentagon, thanks. >>> michaela and a look at the headlines. >>> the latest cease-fire holding in gaza and as negotiations persist for a long-term deal israeli prime minister benjamin netanyahu is talking tough saying israel will act forcefully even to a "drizzle of mortar or rocket attacks." israel is preparing for a possible war crimes inquiry. israeli leaders say they're skepticing of the u.n. human rights council saying past statements by the expert chosen to head the commission shows he lacks credibility. >>> the world health organization places the official death toll in the ebola outbreak in west africa more than 1,000 but says the number underestimates the true scale of the outbreak. mean meantime, the u.s. start eade evacuating u.s. citizens out of an abundance of caution. >>> and the first guard troops stationed at observation posts along the border. called up by governor rick perry last month saying the military is knows secure the border and deal with the surge in illegal immigration. state officials estimate the deployment will cost about $12 million a month. >>> some new insight into robin williams' struggle with depression. his widow, susan schneider, revealed williams was sober in his final days and that he had been diagnosed with parkinson's disease. parkinson's is known to cause depression in its early stages and may have exacerbated williams' condition. his wife says he was not ready to make that diagnosis public. we'll speak to our dr. sanjay gupta about parkinson's agents laa little later in the hour. >> more than half people with parkinson's end up suffering from depression at a point. could have been a factor here. >> absolutely. >>> coming up next on "new day," a missouri lawmaker caught up in the tear gas during this week's protests in ferguson, missouri, lashing out at the governor of the state. we're going to talk to her live about the very latest are and also the inflammatory tweets she sent out like this, calling for the governor to step down. >>> and there are calls from democrats and republicans to demilitarize american police departments. what could actually happen? you might be surprised who's making some of these calls. we'll tell you when we go "inside politics" coming up. 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>> i'm very happy the name is coming oubt. my residents have been asking for this for a very long time. in the state of missouri we have a 72-hour rule. any information that we kwhaeft to be released within 72 hours. that was not followed. and so we are awaiting for the names so people can know who the person was. >> reporter: you're optimistic that calm will be kept now? >> i hope so. what my constituents really want is transparency in this entire investigation. if they get that, i think they'll be fine. >> reporter: i have been traveling, i was remiss i feel, in not asking you about the twitter controversy you had with governor jay nixon. you said governor jay nixon, the situation in ferguson does not represent who we are. must keep the peace safeguarding rights of citizens and the press. you said you don't know s, because you never communicate. f you, governor, and he says, as governor i am committed to ensuring the pain of last weekend's tragedy does not continue to be compounded by the ongoing crisis pup said, f you, governor. i'm calling your bs. do up regret that? >> not at all. it's my first amendment right and the governor has never come to the minority community unless it was politically expedient for him. >> reporter: did you have to use that language as a representative? do you feel it was appropriate? >> absolutely. because the governor doesn't listen. he has a 30-year history of not listening to minority representatives and senators. this past year alone he never spoke on really important legislation dealing with the education of young african-american students, and he vetoed a bill that was bipartisan. so he has showed a lack of interest for the minority community. my community has been fed up with tear gas. this is his katrina. what we have -- >> reporter: why do you call it his katrina? >> because he failed to respond. >> reporter: can you give us a minute. we're online. go ahead. >> seriously, he failed to respond, not even been at ground zero. he met in a community north of us, not ferguson. and a community south of us but the governor has not come to ferguson and talked to the young people who were actually the victims of what's been going on. yes, i'm frustrated, because my constituents are frustrated. when senator mccaskill came to ferguson she had no detail what's so ever and embraced the community and talked to them to listen to what they're concerns were. >> reporter: but -- as a leader, you set the tone. right? >> yes. >> reporter: you don't want violence, right? >> i don't want violence. >> reporter: and you don't want people calling people names and essentially were you calling him names. you said, f you. what if he had done the same to you? i'm asking you, what if he had done the same to you? >> he ignores us. >> reporter: answer my question. what if he said to you, started something like that on twitter say, f you, how would you feel? >> he does it by his actions because he doesn't correspond with us, he doesn't listen to us. he doesn't communicate with any of us. not even the republicans. if he can't correspond or communicate with democrats in the senate or the house, then that's pretty bad. >> reporter: so you say that's the way help should be dealt with because of his actions? >> that's his fu to us and not just the 14 years where i've been in state government. it's been 30 years. >> reporter: a group of students last night when we were on, diverse group, white and black, and a report, the only report of violence, a white student was attacked. do you think that's something targeted or something that happens in these situations? >> it's unfortunate. i would like to tell you all the protesters have been really peaceful thus far and it has been interracial. we've had multiple groups of people coming out to protest. so that incident is unfortunate, and i do not condone that kind of behavior whatsoever, but we have to maintain the philosophy of being accepting of all people. this issue -- michael brown issue -- this incident, is about young people. not just black people. not just white people. all people. all young people. they are victims. they're the one whose have been threatened, the one whose have been harassed and the reason i've been out here day one at ground zero is -- >> reporter: and lashing out on twitter because of that. >> yes, because i want to ensure the first amendment rights for all people and when we were tear gassed and i was tear gassed fw twice. not once, twice nap was an infii infringement upon my rights. if i was nervous and scared, i'm pretty courageous, but if i was nervous and scared and shaking, i know 17-year-olds were shaking, too. >> reporter: thank you for coming in and taking the tough questions and being transparent again. >> absolutely. i believe in the first amendment. >> reporter: thank you. appreciate you joining us. kate, a little later on we're hearing they'll release the name of that police officer and hopefully that will make a difference here. people calling for transparency and police saying they're going to do it. we should know later in the day when. back to you. >> don, thanks. we'll get back to you briefly. >>> take a break. coming up next on "new day," the calm in ferguson, missouri, is being credited to the actions of captain ron johnson. you see him there. he's with state highway patrol. we're going to hear from him about his approach to keeping the peace. >>> and these images of police wears gas masks, manned with rifles. is the pentagon to blame for supplying these weapons of war? 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"inside politics" on "new day." happy friday. >> t.g.i.f., how are you today? >> hey, hey. >> all right. talking about ferguson and the political impact on "inside politics." with me sharing reporting and inside politico, and in our conversation yesterday morning talking could or should the president, could or should oh politician doss nor speak out about ferguson? we know martha's vineyard the president had a meeting with his attorney general eric holder. white house release add photograph of that calling the governor of missouri jay nixon. then the president came out and made a statement. you'd have to say, listen to the statement, say this got quick results. >> there is never an excuse for violence against police or for those who would use this tragedy as a cover for vandalism or looting. there's also no excuse for police to use excessive force against peaceful protests. or to throw protesters in jail for lawfully exercising their first amendment rights. >> am i right to say it's a very calm but almost a textbook use of the bully pulpit? a balanced statement. the president is critical of the violence and looting but then essentially without using hard words criticizes the police and the governor assaying change your ways. >> and the governor acteded quickly after that as we saw the difference between what we've seen play out on tv between even yesterday morning and this morning has been remarkable since the highway patrol took this over. yes. the president did a very measured, careful statement. he's not the mayor, not the police commissioner. he does have a responsibility to be careful. >> and the tone i thought was perfect in that i would love to nope what they privately said to the governor, and to be fair to the governor, we don't know if it was just the president's intervention that had him change his behavior. within years of him calling him and calling him out publicly, you see the difference today. >> hailed and greeted as a hero. when people look back at this a question, i was looking at this in the conversation on twitter, and twitter's been very engaged in this. some were saying, why did it take the president so long to even do this? you saw that swift change. could he have done monday or tuesday? a place essentially on fire by wednesday night and thursday. for the president to act, because it seemed like once he stepped out you had a flood of action and a flood of other politicians also there on the ground. >> and white house officials say they were trying and hoping to leave this to the local authorities and then reached the conclusion to your point it was spinning out of control and bad and likely to get worse and the president came out and spoke and also we should remind folks there it a justice department investigation of what happened at the michael brown shooting. we'll watch it unfold. a calmer day this morning and we're grateful. also a fascinating and potentially interesting political conversation happening. you have people on the left and on the right looking at the images. we can show you some. from the wednesday night protests where it looks like as the police say they're out on the streets to have crowd control, it looks like a military operation. armored vehicles, police in camouflage and s.w.a.t. vests out there. claire mccaskill, democrat in missouri, saying she thinks too much police work has become like the army or like the military. listen. >> after 9/11, in a, sometimes in knee jerk fashion, we began equipping police departments with all kinds of tools that had not been typical of policing in this country. and maybe it's time to look at all of that, and make a determination as to how effective is a show of what is military force in obviously an intensely and emotionally charged environment like the people of ferguson are facing. >> claire mccaskill there, democrat. her home state. she's talking about essentially the look. how you have people protesting peacefully what does it feel like in your community to see an army comingality you? the interesting part, the conservative reflex over the years, defend law enforcement. but a number of republicans, paul rand saying, when you couple this militarization of law enforcement with an erosion of civil liberties given these developments is ch it is almost impossible for americans not to feel like their government is targeting them. goes on to say, given the racial disparities in our criminal justice system it is impossible for african-americans not to feel their government is particularly targeting them. so a bipartisan consensus, will something happen? or will we just talk about it. >> i suspect talk about it for a while but the conversation is moving from the left to the right. messages from the postoccupied wall street days on one hand and judicial reform coming on the right from the other. rand paul's comment, some spoke about the arrest of reporters when the colleague was arrested. that struck them as over the line. inner its of where rand paul went, a wake-up call to his party more than anyone has done. >> i will say police hassling, arresting, reporters is over the line. much more important, the treatment of citizens in this community. i'm not minimizing the work of the brave reporters out there, too. you see the pictures. both have a point. if this is your neighborhood, your neighborhood, you're out on it's streets and 99.9% of these people are out there peacefully protesting what does it feel like? >> and this is a community, right, that has had an issue with race. i mean, it's a predominantly pr african-american community. three african-american police officers. so you have rand paul now emerging at the republican race man. the only republican, really, to come out and say the words african-american, and mention race and talk about the inequality in terms of the tr t treatment that african-americans receive in the criminal justice system. something president obama didn't do. he was criticized by some for not at least showing some empathy with the african-americans, in the way he did with the trayvon martin statement. rand paul fascinating and taking a risk talking about race. >> a lot of the left criticized rand paul whether he's general wic wichbed-o -- genuine here. see if he delivers and goes forward. it is, how often do we sit here in the morning saying you have democrats and republican ps actually talking about somethinging where they might agree? see where this goes. having a complementary conversation about people speaking out about this now. there's this. i don't know what to say about this. congressman steve king republican of iowa a tea party favorite. might remember a week ago public tv footage of a conferenceation with dreamers, undocumented latino who wanted to approach him about immigration views. a conservative outlet, on television. inter1r50ud, asked a question about the congressional black caucus complaining there might be racial profiling, and in ferguson. here's what he said. >> this idea of no racial profiling, i see the video. looks like you don't need to bother with that particular factor because they're all, appear to be of a single, you know, of a single origin, i should say, continental origin. might be a way to phrase that. >> tore might not be. >> might not be. >> definitely would not -- you could not go with that. >> yeah. this -- steve king la not really been known as a racial healer. so this is not, i don't think it's a surprise if you had to name somebody who might say that. that was not wise. >> right. how about, their americans? our neighbors? >> right. >> yes. >> and when looking, as you said, in your community, in your homes, in your neighborhood, when you are seeing this image of rifles pointed at people who live there, that's hard to get past. >> and i think that's how americans saw this. they saw this as a neighborhood and saw those militarized police and tanks moving in and said, what's going on here? >> thanks for coming in. back to you. steve king, we are having a different conversation about ferguson. let's hope it continues. >> very different, it seems. >> than anyone else. steve king. >> and the maggie put it well. not a racial healer. >> thanks, john. >>> coming up next on "new day," just when ferguson, missouri, seems on the brink of collapse, order is being restored. captain ron johnson with the highway patrol led the charge to make it happen. it happened overnight. we'll have his take on how to reach out to the community coming up after the break. your 16-year-old daughter studied day and night for her driver's test. secretly inside, you hoped she wouldn't pass. the thought of your baby girl driving around all by herself was... you just weren't ready. but she did pass. 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>> can my son and daughter walk the streets and feel safe? can my son and daughter walk with pride? and i'm going to make sure i do everything that they can have that. >> reporter: actually i was in new york on the anchor desk last night watching the unrest happen here. when i walked up today, there was no fear. have you been out speaks to do people, and what are they telling? >> the interesting thing about tonight, there's a lot of energy but it's positive energy. that's a new thing. we saw a lot of energy over the last few nights but it wasn't positive like it is today. there's been a true change. there really has been. >> reporter: is it -- is this an admission from you that the tactics were, police handled the next couple of nights wrong? >> i'd like to explain a little. the energy is better. regardless of the opt ices, i had an opportunity to call with reverend sharpton, the optics are nor pretty. if you're here over the last few nights you've seen that. what we're proud of, no one protester or one rioter and most importantly the people that live in this community have been seriously injured during this. so i'm sorry about the optics, i understand that. but this positive energy here tonight it is really -- it encourages me. >> reporter: the citizens are saying, listen, there's always one in the crowd, and the citizens are saying that they are the one whose are being intimidated by police and feel like they were positive for the most part, but officers weren't positive. >> i understand the perception in the community about estly do. we just want to build on the atmosphere tonight to make sure everything stays as safe as it possibly can. >> reporter: many people who live in the missouri people say they feel like they're under, they're in militarized zones that they're occupied. what do they need to do? the police, do police need to reflect the community that they serve in? >> i believe in true diversity. the police department should reflect the community they serve and part of the strategy as far as any agency and police department throughout the united states so people know the cultures of different people. all kind of people make a community. if you got people in your agency that know the culture already, we can spread that knowledge among all officers to build the trust and rapport with the community again. >> reporter: members of the county police department, city police department, talking about st. louis and ferguson police, highway safe patrol, everyone promising transparency when it comes to the investigation and how they're dealing with the citizens. a big part of that transparency coming up shortly as they announce the name of the officer involved in the shooting. s that is, you see here that is tom jackson. he is the chief of ferguson police. he's coming over, going to do a live interview with us to talk about the releasing of the name and how hair lathey're handling situation here at ferguson. at the top of the hour. back to you, kate. >> first they needed to find calm in the city and then the focus could turn where it needs to be, on the investigation, and really getting down to the answers of what happened that day. that seems a step forward is going to happen today. don, thanks so much. back to you shortly. >>> coming up next on "new day," talking about robin williams. his widow revealing details about the actor's final days. his depression and a private battle that no one had known about previously. his battle with parkinson's disease. we're going to talk about that with cnn chief medical correspondent dr. sanjay gupta. he'll be here. ah... 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did. >> it's interesting. she said in her statement that he just didn't feel comfortable releasing it yet. we don't know when the diagnosis happened so maybe he was still trying to come to grips with this diagnosis of having parkinson's disease, so he just wasn't comfortable talking about it yet or he may not have ever wanted to talk about it but i think her releasing this information was really interesting, and you and i were talking about why would she do that? sometimes, and we don't know this to be the case but sometimes like if a celebrity has information and a tabloid gets a hold of it and they know that they're going to release it, they want to get out in front of the story, they want to control the conversation, control the dialogue, and they don't want a tabloid splashing their information all over it. so it could have been a situation where she said listen, i need to get out in front of something, i want to make sure that people know this our way and that we control this conversation. >> sanjay, a know a lot of doctors were looking at this and when this news came out aha, the national parkinson's foundation seen studies a connection between parkinson's and depression in 50% of the cases? >> there's a real connection here. i don't think it's one causes the other, you have parkinson's disease necessarily causing depression but i think it can exacerbate it and some of it is psychological. there's no cure for this disease, people can get good treatments but there's no cure that can be psychologically tough. you used to like to exercise and bike ride to relieve his anxiety that, could be part of it. there's also a neuroscience component as well. patients with parkinson's disease tend to have lesser er tone serotonin, one of the feel good transmitters in the train brain. it can could worsen signs of depression that already existed. >> one of the interesting ironies, robin williams had done work for parkinson's disease with michael j. fox who everyone knows has been dealing with parkinson's disease. he sent out a tweet "stunned to learn robin pd. pretty sure his support for our foundation pre-dated his diagnosis. true friend i wish him peace." >> holly robinson peat said the same thing, her father died from the disease, sometimes exercise can help and if he had a fear he couldn't continue the biking and exercise because of the disease maybe is would lend to more of a depressed state. >> sanjay we talk about parkinson's disease, usually diagnosed as an absence of something else, you look at it, i guess what i'm saying no one knows what causes it but people looked into over the years whether there's a link between cocaine abuse and parkinson's. robin williams admittedly was dealing with cocaine early on in his career. >> you're right, first of all they often call that a diagnosis of exclusion. if nothing else fits it ends up being that disease, that's sometimes how parkinson's is diagnosed. there's a lot made of the idea cocaine would cause people to have parkinsonism later in the life, that's never been proven. there was a lot of theories based on lab studies, when they exposed animal brains to high doses of cocaine, they lost a certain thing in the brain called dopeamine. from the height of the cocaine use in the '70s and '80s, those people are starting to become baby boomers. within the next 10 to 15 years we'll have a better idea long-term if the cocaine use led to the symptoms but that has not been shown for fact. >> quickly, sanjay, this presumably was the early stages of parkinson's for robin williams. what kind of treatment would he have had? >> people focus on the tremor when they think of parkinson's disease but there's a lot more going on in the body, people can have difficult with balance, problems with their blood pressure, they can develop a masked face, you may have noticed this, they start to lose expression in their face. treatment wise, there's some very good treatments as i mentioned, medications to replace the dopamine which has gone from the brain. interestingly, john, you were mentioning some of his work for the parkinson's foundation. he played one of my favorite characters in "awakenings" a fictionalized oliver sachs. he worked on the medication that treats parkinson's disease. that was what the character was in the movie but there's deep brain stimulations, there's a clip there, deep brain stimulation is another option and stem cell transplants being worked on. there's no particular cure but there's people who live productive lives with this. >> sanjay mentioned the masked face thing because robin williams made his life on his expression. >> right. >> so that could have been a really big fear of his, if things like this were starting to set in with him. >> it would have been understandable and fitting one of his great movie roles wases adoctor and not surprising one of your movie heroes was a doctor as well. dr. sanjay gupta thank you for being here. tune in to "sanjay gupta 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released. why did they hold it for so long? this as we get new video from the moments just after the shooting and talk live to a key witness. don lemon is live in ferguson. >>> maliki. iraq's embattled prime minister agrees to step down but can the new leader slow isis in iraq? we're live in baghdad. >>> your "new day" continues right now. -- captions by vitac -- www.vitac.com >> announcer: this is "new day" with chris cuomo, kate bolduan and michaela pereira. >> good morning, and welcome back to "new day," everybody. it's friday, august 15th, 8:00 in the east. john berman is here with us. chris is off. the missouri police officer who shot and killed michael brown is expected to be identified today. ferguson police are getting ready to name the officer who gunned down the unarmed teen after a confrontation. his name has been kept under lock and key quite honestly because police there say of concerns over his safety. >> the local police no longer overseeing the situation there, the state highway patrol is in and a sense of calm has returned to this town that has spent much of the last week under the national microscope. streets were largely peaceful overnight after days of rising tensions and demonstrations between protesters and police. >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> hands up! >> don't shoot! >> chants of "hands up don't shoot" thousands of people across the country showed support for michael ferguson and his family. let's start with don lemon live in ferguson, where we are awaiting some pretty big news there, don. >> yes, good morning. we are waiting pretty big news. the man who is going to give it to us standing right next to me, he is the chief of ferguson police, his name is thomas jackson, going to release the name of the officer and we'll see what we can find out about that officer just a little bit on cnn, that's coming up in a little bit but in the hours just happening after that shooting, my, how it has changed. there's been a change in leadership, how that can turn the tide in a tense time, tense situation. for days it seemed that everyone in ferguson was pouring fresh salt on old wounds but john, as you mentioned here, the state highway patrol led by captain ron johnson came in with an effort to connect with residents fed up with their local police force and it worked. it appears to have worked. so captain johnson stressing his part in this community that he is a part of this community and he says he walks the streets, he's a family man. he takes a personal stake in seeing the situation defuse and instead of throwing molotov cocktails, residents were throwing themselves into captain johnson's arms with gratitude and kept their message forceful but it was peaceful last night for the most part. let's bring in ana cabrera with the latest. good morning, ana. >> good morning to you, don. really what a difference some new policing tactics, new tone have made in the past 24 hours. we are outside that burned out quick trip, it was chaos wednesday night, not last night. in fact, protesters basically policed themselves, and they protested peacefully. they packed up their things, they left on their own accord, just a few hours ago, and they say they finally feel like their voices are being heard, that people are listening, and for the first time in almost a week, they have hope that justice will be served. >> don't shoot! don't shoot! >> reporter: calls for justice, peace, and answers. anger and frustrations ravaging this community for days, finally calming after nearly a week of unrest following the fatal shooting of unarmed teenager michael brown. >> hands up! >> don't shoot. >> reporter: control over security now the responsibility of missouri state troopers. >> there it goes, they are firing onto the crowd. >> reporter: after chaos broke out wednesday night, police firing tear gas, smoke bombs and rubber bullets into the crowd. overnight, no riot gear, no armored vehicles no, machine guns. leading the charge is ferguson local cap ratain ron johnson, walking aamongst the protesters at times embracing them. telling don lemon he plans to protect the community without gas masks, listen to them and give them answers. >> i think they know what i'm telling them are true and my feelings are true and honest and i made a promise about integrity, integrity is something i can't get by. trust is something that's hard to gain but easy to lose, and i think we've got their trust and i am going to do everything i can to maintain their trust. >> good afternoon, everybody. >> reporter: president obama calling for an end to the excessive force used by police against peaceful protests as did missouri governor jay nixon vowing to return trust between residents and police. >> ferguson will not be defined as a community torn apart by violence but known as a community who pulled together to overcome it. >> reporter: police announcing they will release the name of the officer who shot michael brown today. new moments after the shooting showing michael brown's body lying uncovered in the street, his uncle pushed away, while crowds at the scene yelled at police that brown did nothing wrong. >> with hands up. >> reporter: brown's family attending a protest vigil ate the st. louis arch telling cnn's wolf blitzer they wanted to be surrounded by peace as they try to grieve. >> we haven't had time to grieve much. it's been a long, stressful time. we don't really have many answers to what occurred on that day, and she can't rest as a result of not knowing everything that occurred on the evening. >> reporter: again the headline today, local authorities will release the name of the officer involved in the shooting death of michael brown so we should have an answer to one question that has been on so many minds in this community, who killed the unarmed teenager. it could be weeks, possibly even months before we know why. >> yes, they still have to conduct an autopsy, the family wants an official autopsy and the investigation obviously if done correctly is going to take some time. ana, appreciate that. joining me now is a man who is going to make that announcement, give the officer's name, ferguson police chief tom jackson. thank you for joining us. >> nice to be here. >> reporter: you got any sleep? >> a little bit. >> reporter: so you're going to announce the name of the officer. >> i am. >> reporter: here to do it now? >> no, i think we need to do it in front of the entire press corps that's been here the entire thing. >> reporter: is the police officer a veteran? >> he's been with us about six years. >> reporter: what kind of an? er is he? >> great, he's been a fantastic officer, no problems. >> reporter: no problems? >> no. >> reporter: no disciplinary problems, nothing for the past six years. >> no. >> reporter: and a member of this community. is he a lifelong member? >> i really don't want to talk about where he lives and so forth. >> reporter: has he lived here his entire life? >> you know, again -- oh, yeah, in the st. louis area. >> reporter: his entire life. so have you spoken to the officer? >> i spoke to him a couple days ago and i'll be talking to him, giving him a call. >> reporter: how does he feel what's going on? >> he's devastated heartbroken, this is his community. he never wanted any of this to happen, and he certainly is heartbroken by the continuous violence that's been going on. it's tough. it's hard. >> reporter: why did it take so long? >> well, as i said initially, we backed off on releasing his name because of the threats of violence and death threats that were coming in, and i did say to you that this was going to be a day-to-day decision we were going to continue to weigh the value of releasing it to the press corps, and to the community versus safety issues and that's been an ongoing discussion, and we had a couple meetings yesterday about this issue and came to the conclusion that it was time. >> reporter: you're doing this voluntari voluntarily? there's no court recororder? >> there's no court order. >> reporter: people have been concerned about the tactics that your police officers have taken here, and i'm wondering if you, do you feel personally that you made any leadership mistakes about the deployment of officers in full combat attire and gear? >> it's not so much combat attire. it's tactical attire. we never called in the national guard. the governor and all of us agreed that that was not the proper thing to do, that we would handle this in blue, that means with police presence. we had tactical teams out there and in spite of the perception that's been out there, you know, across the country about the tactics and the exchanges between police, no deadly force was used and not a single protester war rioter was injured during this entire process. >> reporter: is there anyone in your command structure that has any accountability about the decisions that were made this week? >> we are all accountable for our actions at all times and ultimately that all comes to me. and there's going to be a lot of discussion after action discussions, lessons learned discussions, and what happened happened. the perception of the community is not actually what happened on the ground. again, no one was hurt, and i'm really proud of that, and that's really what we're going to focus on going forward is making sure that nobody does get hurt. >> reporter: do you stand by your decisions? >> i do. >> reporter: did you make any mistakes? are you willing to admit that you made mistakes? >> certainly, yes. >> reporter: which were? >> i can't list them now. it's just too soon. it's too soon to really go into that, but moving forward we're talking to irve who is a stakeholder in this, the justice department and actually setting up the protest area with the cones and putting out the port-a-potties is the result of a discussion between myself, the community relations bureau for the justice department and the naacp. so we all met yesterday morning and we actually rode out that plan, mrerend ford, national president of the naacp, we worked out the plan. these guys have been on the other side of the line and they've been tremendous help to us. >> reporter: so you're not involved in the investigation at all anymore? >> i haven't been since day one. >> reporter: a lot of people around the country have questions for you, including our own kate bolduan. she wants to ask you a few questions. >> yes, chief, just to join in with what don was saying there, one of the questions has been all along the identity of the police officer, but another question that a lot of folks have is how many times michael brown was shot. are you going to release that information today? can you tell us now? >> reporter: i actually can't release that information because i don't know. the autopsy has been done, but the coroner's report has not been released. all of that information is up to st. louis county and really the county prosecuting attorney to determine when that's going to be released. >>
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