mr. mueller. and we don't know what mr. mueller knows. you mentioned earlier mr. er offered protection for paul manafort. what form of protection and from whom. as a former u.s. attorney why would such protection be offered. >> the security would be granted that his comfort level would be such that it would insure his truthfulness. that he feels he can comply fully. all of those detailed allegations so his cooperation essentially has no bound it insures he feels safe doing so and that he is safe doing so. remember the judge commented friday. i have never heard, she said, such a long recitation of offenses in the courtroom. the broader picture is he has insight into such a long amount of crimes argued by the government that the information and value of the for can provide is substantial. he need to feel insured he'll not compromise himself or his family by doing so further. they will will be emily, thank you so much. eric: a witness says it was like a scene out of jaws after a deadly shark attack on a popular cape cod beach. authorities are calling it almost unprece

mr. mueller's entire investigation as the one that just came out a few months ago.avid: your superb book talks about how prosecutors do lie to push their case. the prosecutor we are dealing with in terms of mr. mueller is someone using a series of witnesses for his case that have serious problems, credibility problems on a personal level and even recently with regard to michael cohen. i know that was in a different court system. but that was originally brought to the attention by michael cohen. you have a series of witnesses that mr. mueller has to make his case almost all of whom have severe credibility problems. how can you make a case with that? >> that's standard operating procedure for mr. weissmann as you mentioned in my book, "license to lie." they make sweetheart deals with the people who are the real criminals and put the screws to them to try to get them say things that incriminate people higher up that are the real targets that the prosecutors want, whether they did anything wrong or not. two defendants in the enron litigation in related cases had to be a

mr. mueller is following the constitution, yes or no? >> the subpoena should not issue.f he's following the constitution and the law. mark: clearly not. that's just at that point grandstanding, hoping to make somebody look better with the power you don't have. there are multiples on the table: one is cash, three are fha, one is va. so what can you do? she's saying a whole lotta people want to buy this house. but you got this! rocket mortgage by quicken loans makes the complex simple. understand the details and get approved in as few as eight minutes. by america's largest mortgage lender. ithe most highly recommended bed in america just got better. introducing the all-new, reinvented tempur-pedic. designed with the most pressure relieving material we've ever created. for your most rejuvenating sleep. find your exclusive retailer today at tempurpedic.com omar, check this out. uh, yeah, i was calling to see if you do laser hair removal. for men. notice that my hips are off the ground. [ engine revving ] and then, i'm gonna pike my hips back into downward dog. [ rhythmic tap

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mr. mueller's prosecutors and mr. is defense lawyers, means that mueller now knows what manafort is going to say, what manafort is prepared to say. so there's no -- it's not as though they are taking any kind of gamble here, which i have seen some of that on social media, that this is like a big gamble. there's no gamble here. mr. mueller and his team know what manafort is prepared to say and they think it's a big enough deal, a worthwhile enough amount of information and testimony, that they are willing to cut the deal. arthel: yeah. yeah. i will get more into the specifics of the agreement in a second. if you will button your jacket for me, please. i want to hear what you're saying. there's rumbling there. meanwhile, let me ask you this question while you do that. i want you to talk about manafort's long-time business partner, roger stone. as you know, he briefly was involved in the trump campaign. he served as an informal adviser to mr. trump himself. mr. stone claimed to have a back channel to wikileaks and was abl

mr. mueller is following the constitution, yes or no? >> the subpoena should not issue.constitution and the law. mark: clearly not. that's just at that point grandstanding, hoping to make somebody look better with the power you don't have. there's little rest for a single dad, and back pain made it hard to sleep and get up on time. then i found aleve pm. the only one to combine a safe sleep aid, plus the 12 hour pain relieving strength of aleve. i'm back. aleve pm for a better am. the full value oft wyour new car? you'd be better off throwing your money right into the harbor. i'm gonna regret that. with liberty mutual new car replacement we'll replace the full value of your car. ♪ liberty. liberty. liberty. liberty ♪ that skills like teamwork, attention to detail, and customer service are critical to business success. like the ones we teach here, every day. before discovering nexium 24hr to treat her frequent heartburn, lucy could only imagine enjoying a slice of pizza. now it's as easy as pie. nexium 24hr stops acid before it starts for all-day, all-night protection. ca

mr. mueller was before, evidently. but you know, in the end, i wouldn't cooperate if i were president trump. lou: at all? >> mr. mueller is looking for an impeachmenpeachment report thatn present to congress through rod rosenstein. and mr. trump shouldn't participate in his own hanging. lou: so you're sayin saying thae shouldn't even accept written questions. >> answer on russia collusion. this special counsel knows there's no russia collusion. at this point it's just harassment. lou: well that's an interesting way to look at it. and you have also -- you and judicial watch, thanks to your good offices and efforts, we know now that there have been no hearings held by the fisa courts before issuing warrants, particularly in the case on page. what is going on here? why is none of this being investigated? why is it not -- and frankly, why is president not ordering the release of this and declassifying all of this paperwork and putting it in front of the american people and this special counsel so we can get a little cleare

mr. mueller and his team.s a guy, look at his resume, he has spent most of his life at the department of justice or fbi prior to going into private service. he is an institutional us. he is not going to take the organizations down. you can go further. i think it is worrisome. you look at some of the actions he has taken a particular his decision to release the russian indictments on the eve of president's visit to helsinki. that almost seems politically motivated and biased. that is a bit worrisome. >> steve: sorry tammy, we are out of time on this one. it is going to go on and on. i just want to wrap up by saying, this is why people are so frustrated. you control the white house, vows, and the senate and still this goes on. perhaps a new attorney general will help, who knows. what is establishment only care what president trump says and not what he does? how is the president disrupting the bracher sees way of doing things? what to do about the new generation of road blocks that feed themselves, there's only o

mr. mueller is usually several months ahead of where all of us think he is. that is the mark of a good prosecutor. i don't know. he is not taking anywhere near as long as ken started. -- star did. russia tryingat to take over our country through our election system. that worries me. russia is not our friend. i hope mr. mueller is able to find out exactly what they have done and to stop it from happening again. >> patrick leahy, thank you for being the 's maker. thank you so much. we are back with our reporters. kate, let's begin with the brett kavanaugh nomination for the supreme court. you are the senator request not just in light of the letter that senator dianne feinstein has sexualblic about alleged abuse when judge kavanaugh was in high school, but beyond that, democrats say that it does not take place. one is a vote supposed to take place? >> sen. feinstein: knotting the letter public. but the allegations are public. the vote is scheduled to go forward on thursday, october 20. senator grassley has made no signs that he plans to delay. came out thisions

mr. mueller is able to find out exactly what they have done and to stop it from happening again. greta: senator patrick leahy, thank you for being this week's "newsmaker." .ate: thank you very kellie kellie: thank you so much. greta: we are back with our reporters. kate irby of mcclatchy and of cq rollrich call. kate, let's begin with the brett kavanaugh nomination for the supreme court. you heard the senator request not just in light of the letter that senator dianne feinstein has made public about alleged sexual abuse when judge kavanaugh was in high school, but beyond that, democrats say a vote should not take place here when is a vote supposed to take place? kate: one quick note, senator feinstein did not make the letter public, but the allegations are public. the vote is scheduled to go forward on thursday, october 20. senator grassley has made no signs that he plans to delay. as the allegations came out this morning, his office sent out a letter that 65 woman from judge kavanaugh who knew him in high school, who spoke toward his character. they have accused senator feinstei

mr. mueller are not the russian collusion cases. but guess what the movie's coming and the movie will be when mr. mueller makes that decision whether to issue a report that ultimately will be released to congress about his findings or drop a great big conspiracy indictment on whoever may have par niticipated to undermine our presidential elections and obstructed by covering it up. >> that will be the movie. all of these other things are the previews of things to come. >> let's consider rouge rudy guiliani's defense, rudy guiliani says he's hanging his head if shame because the justice department has found crimes and decided to prosecute those crimes. let's listen to this. >> my head hangs in shame for the department that i gave 16 years of my life to the department of justice, as a third ranking official in the department of justice when i could proudly say it was a department of justice the only thing that can be done now as relentless an investigation of all these people as they did to president trump. >> your retoaction to that i

mr. mueller think -- mr. woodward think mr. mueller or any other entity would subpoena his notes and recordings? in relation to what you wrote about the mueller investigation, perhaps. guest: let's hope that doesn't happen. i hope it doesn't happen and i expect it not to happen simply because ideal with lots of very sensitive, national security issues and debates. i have done this now for 47 presidencies and i try to provide as much notrmation in the book, going so far as to disclose sources and methods to harm operations essential to the security of this country or that might get somebody killed or some source blown. there is a line. i tend to push it. i think the public needs to know more rather than less. there are people in the government who would disagree with that, but i know, many times, i have been careful and people who know about these intelligence operations understand that. host: will there ever be a time we hear the source taping or otherwise from this book? isst: my general approach after 30, 40 years like in the

mr. mueller is going to a 3w50ird by the policy. he's not goings to bring in anything that's going to be an october surprise. if you know anything about bob miller as he has up to this point, once he has that finding it will be released after the mid term. you have to look back at what he's willing to date. and planned approach by the president and his folks to grow up there and call this or rigged hunt. we have a situation where mr. flynn has pled guilty, mr. cohen his counsel has plet guilty. mr. man na ford has been found guil guilty. all these various prosecutions were based on facts. people use the term fake facts, fake news, these are facts that people plead guilty to at the risk of losing their liberty and suffering heavy fines. i think we need to keep that in mind when we're talking to mr. mueller and his investigation. >> on this question, you have to read the memo closely. there's no time that's listed on the memo and really the key to or campaign the candidate and campaign. donald trump jr. is not running for office. darr

mueller from having to go through a trial and waste resources and it also permits mr. manafort to cooperate in the ongoing investigation by mueller of tony podesta and 6 others including gregory craig formerly of the law firm asking a and. i would walls are closing in but not on the president. >> laura: alan dershowitz called this a big deal today. he said basically this was not great news for the administration. he also then discussed the issue of a possible pardon and the timing of a pardon for paul manafort. let's watch. >> wouldn' once he agrees to cooperate he has to cooperate with everything. know such thing as partial cooperation. the question is did he cooperates too late. would he have been better off cooperating before his first trial. i think he was prantsdz hoping for a par con. the question comes up did the president act too late if he was requesting to pardon he would have been much better than cooperating early. >> laura: kendall, your thought on the issue and overall plea. >> it doesn't look like going to hand. manual for the may have hopes for one and t

mr. mueller's investigation.ant to quote bill frist, former republican majority leader in the senate -- congress must never abandon its role as an equal branch of government. in this moment that means protecting mueller's information. we are the best senators and republicans when we protect this. value around the world not just the material wealth of the american people but the free tom. defeat the previous question, protect robert mueller. i yield back. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts reserves. the gentleman from texas. mr. sessions: i reserve my time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from texas reserves. mr. mcgovern: if i can inquire of the gentleman from texas, just to make sure nobody wants to speak. mr. sessions: i will be closing for us so any time the gentleman chooses to do that he may expend his time. the speaker pro tempore: the gentleman from massachusetts. mr. mcgovern: thank you, mr. speaker. the republicans have so diminished this house of representatives. we'ring wi

mr. trump to demonstrate how he could perjury himself if he sits down with robert mueller. according to woodward, dowd explains the stakes in stark turns, don't testify, its either that or an orange jump suit. woodward says dowd who would later resigned called mr. trump a liar. the author also describes how former economic adviser gary cohn once removed a document from the president's desk to prevent him from executing a trade agreement with south korea. cohen said, i stole it off his desk. he's never going to see that document. got to protect the country. one of a number of actions woodward describes as a coup d' etat. we're in crazytown. this is the worst job i've ever had. the white house released a statement from kelly saying he never called the president an idiot. then according to woodward there's defense secretary james mattis who says the president has the understanding of a fifth or sixth grader. reince priebus who said the presidential bedroom was the devil's workshop. woodward offers nasty comments from the president that says priebus is like a little rat. he just

mr. rosenstein will have to make those decisions i guess on thursday. as for the mueller investigation -- that's up to the president, i have not heard that and i think yesterday was a terrible day for the media getting their information from twitter, from faulty sources, people who could not possibly have known what was going on. he's on the job today, he was on the job yesterday. the president wants to meet him in person on thursday. the department of justice, as run by the last administration, was rotten to the core at the top of the fbi. especially when it came to putting their thumb on the scales to get hillary clinton elected. this is important because -- i see a pattern here, perhaps. jim comey fired from the fbi had taken notes, got a book deal and leaked some of those notes to the media. andy mccabe got fired, had some notes, got a book deal. leaked notes to the media. >> harris: i want to bring you back and i hope you can forgive the interruption, we've got breaking news. i wanted to get you on the program, it's so important ahead of thursday to see what might ha

mr. mueller i i think mr. i hope he understands that for the country's sake he needs to he needs to bring this to a conclusion tell us what, if anything, he found out i think will conclude yes russia tried to interfere in the election do it 50 years but there is no collusion and frankly it continues by russia -- >> mark penn had a great piece recently you havewritten a lot about this as well hugo they could manufacture or find some crime, but so far, it hasn't been there, and you know rod rosenstein set a on documents conditioning is asking for. >> i do think documents need to be -- i don't want to endanger national security but i do think documents need to be released so american people can figure this out for themselves. >> can understand, how this narrative was started, the president had anything to do with russia meddling, thank you. ♪ when you have something you love, you want to protect it. at legalzoom, our network of attorneys can help you every step of the way. with an estate plan including wills or a

mr. mueller just like mr.tleman ajaworski does nor authority on his own to send evidence that he has been gathering to congress. the only clear authority he has is to make a report to his supervisor which is currently rod rosenstein. but trump maybe could fire rod re ro rosenstein to not transmit that to congress. already rudy giuliani has hinted that trump might excerpt executive privilege if the democrats would suddenly want to investigate these things. so it still might never reach congress. so the notion is here is a little used mechanism by which the prosecutor can harness the power of a grand jury to make a report and invoke that historical precedent to send the information directly to the house judiciary committee without going through the deputy attorney general, without giving the president the opportunity to order his subordinates to keep whatever that information is secret. so they are trying to draw attention to that and show it as an alternative model that mueller could use. and i would say the mo

mr. mueller, that's not a separation of powers issue, is it? mr. mueller was appointed through department of justice regulations. >> sir, i don't want to talk specifically about current events, but i will just refer back to what i've written about special counsel. >> i'm not asking you how to decide a case, i'm just asking you, do you read the paper? do you watch television?statute counsel in question doesn't exist anymore. >> the statute does not exist anymore. it's the ordinary way that outside investigation. >> is that an executive branch function? >> that is appointed by the attorney general. >> who is a member of what? >> executive branch. >> that's time i checked that's not separation of powers issue. >> that's been an executive branch. >> the question is, if someone's appointed as special counsel by the department of justice regulations who has authority over implementing those regulations and overseeing those regulations, all i can say is that's different, legally and factually than the no, smorriso situation where you had a statute. let's t

robert mueller to say, you know what, mr. manafort? you've brought enough value to the process as a cooperator that we are going to give you a plea agreement even after you've been convicted in one of your criminal cases. lawrence, that leads me to conclude paul manafort must have blockbuster information. he's provided it to the special counsel, and now we have to wait for the next very large shoe to drop. >> yeah, and jill, to that point, in general terms certainly in all of these kinds of agreements that i've ever seen and witnessed in court, the person -- the thing of value that they tend to be giving over is someone bigger than themselves. it's someone above them in the chain of command of whatever enterprise they're in. it is of value still to hand over material on people who are kind of below you in that target list by prosecutors. but to glenn's point, given how good a deal, as you could describe it, how good a deal this is for paul manafort at this stage given how clearly guilty he is, you certainly get the feeling that somethi

paragraph six and seven of the agreement which i've read have to do with cooperation with not with mr mueller per se but with federal prosecutors so i think the interest here is is quite significant mr mann afford had a lot of ties with the russian government dating back to the soviet era with ukrainian government there is a wealth of intelligence that he has that i think is of interest to federal prosecutors and frankly to our own intelligence services in the u.s. so there's a lot of information here as there was in the cohen case the cohen case has to do with attacks evasions and so forth that discredited certainly the president's lawyer in this case it has to do with mr mann or ford's extensive dealings so i think there is a lot of reason to have interest and to proffer a plea agreement with mr mann afford to get that information again just because there's a plea agreement with the u.s. government with federal prosecutors does not mean that the information that he will proffer has to do with president trump or the campaign or aid in that investigation so you'll your republican strategist a

mr. mueller has secured the cooperation of mr. manafort after his conviction, mr.en and others, he's in the final laps, i think, of his investigation. the american public, i believe, when they reacted to the firing of cox in the saturday night massacre expressed the view that is quite general in the land that you don't mess with an investigation by trying to derail it at the very moment that it is picking up steam and heading toward conclusion. you can't pick the person who conducts the investigation because you don't like the way things are going. i think getting rid of mr. rosenstein at this point would cause a constitutional confrontation that mr. trump and certainly the country don't need. and, so, my advice would be to allow things to proceed as they have. mr. rosenstein has done absolutely nothing wrong. no one can point to anything that he has done. >> well -- >> that has been improper. >> if you had a guy who worked for you reportedly suggest recording a conversation that you were having for the purpose of perhaps invoking the 25th amendment to have you rem

mr. mueller's office told mr. trump's lawyers in a letter two people briefed on it said on tuesday on whether the president tried to obstruct the inquiry itself, mr. mueller and his investigators understood that issues of executive privilege could complicate their pursuit of a presidential interview and did not ask for written responses on that matter. tonight, nbc news is reporting that a person familiar with the matter says discussions are, quote, moving in a positive direction. that's certainly the line some trump surrogates took on television tonight. let's bring in our leadoff panel on a busy tuesday night. phillip rucker, pulitzer prize winning -- jeremy bash, former staff at the cia and the pentagon. a national security analyst for us. barbara mcquade, former u.s. attorney for the eastern district of michigan. good evening and welcome to you all. phillip, i try gamely to prevent you from ever passing judgement on one of the stories that comes before us but you have read now and reported on this book. you re

mr. mueller are not the russian collusion cases, but guess what? the movie's coming. and the movie will be when mr. mueller makes that decision whether to issue a report that ultimately will be released to congress about his findings or drop a great big conspiracy indictment on everybody who may have participated in a conspiracy with russia to undermine our presidential elections and obstructed by perhaps covering it up, that will be the movie. all of these other things are just the previews of things to come. >> and let's consider rudy giuliani's most insane comment of the night to the fox news audience. and i don't know how much of this they actually take as real, but rudy giuliani says he's hanging his head in shame because the justice department has found crimes and decided to prosecute those crimes. let's listen to this. >> my head hangs in shame for the department that i gave 60 years of my life to, the department of justice, when i could proudly say it was a department of justice. and the only thing that can be done now as relentless investigation of all these

mr. mueller is doing, but logically, sure, they're coming close.e never had a client, and you had a guest on in the prior segment, a former prosecutor. he laid out a good process for obstruction, that there is mounting evidence, but he never had a case where the office of legal counsel has said, you cannot charge this person. so of course if mr. mueller cannot charge him, his report is the next cause of action. so the real question is, is it a slam-dunk case of corruption with obstruction intent, or is there something the president can do because of his power to make another side of this? i don't think there is anything unreasonable about the giuliani st strategy of waiting to see what the mueller report says and then writing a rebuttal. >> what would that rebuttal look like, when you see that strategy and we talk about the deadline he's putting for the monday and friday, what do you see? >> i don't see an actual deadline and i don't think the mueller team is going to do anything drastic to affect the election. but i don't know if you can predict w

mr. mueller this time. previously, it was about the investigation.if i am understanding the question correctly, no discussions of the kind you are asking. >> so you are saying no, you haven't talk to anyone in the white house about robert mueller or the special counsel investigation. >> you change the question again, senator. of course, i know mr. mueller, personally, from my experience in the dash i haven't seen him in a long time. but i knew him when we were together in the bush administration. but i have had no discussions of the kind that i think you are asking me about. >> well, i am asking about the kind you are thinking about. not myself. >> well, i haven't had any discussions of the kind. [laughs] >> i am going to take that as 'no," which you are giving under oath. we can put aside the humor for a moment. >> i'm not trying to be humorous. i'm trying to be accurate. for example, if someone says your courthouse -- >> i am talking about discussions with anybody who works for the president of the united states in the white house about the special

mr. mueller, that's not a separation of powers issue, is it? aren't these different facts? mr. mueller was appointed through department of justice regulations. >> senator, i don't want to talk specifically about current events. i will refer back to what i have written previously >> i'm just asking you do you read the paper? do you watch television? the special counsel statute in question doesn't exist anymore, does it? >> the independent counsel statute -- >> independent counsel statute. >> -- does not exist anymore since 1999. traditional counsel system i've written about is the ordinary way that outside investigations -- >> is that an executive branch function? >> that is ordinarily appointed by the attorney general and is -- >> who's a member of what? >> the executive branch. >> so last time i checked that's not a separation of powers issue. >> that traditionally is as i've written is an executive branch -- >> now, the question is, if someone's appointed a special counsel by department of justice regulations who has authority overseeing those regulations, all i can say is tha

anybody might have thought a pardon could apply because basically if he's cooperate with robert with mr mueller then a pardon doesn't really matter if you pardon him for his tax evasion or what are these other charges he's already he's already talking. jose do you think this is going to break anything big. it could i mean it's hard to tell there is so much things going on as to pertains to this investigations and i agree with amy i mean what we want us republicans democrats that we want to get to the bottom of this i want this whole investigation to to be over but it takes time so i i think robert mueller is doing an outstanding job i think he should continue to do it as a fast as we can. i think a lot of folks a lot of you know a lot of folks in washington were hoping that this investigation was going to finish before the november election that's clearly not going to happen so time will tell but i can tell you it's it's a lot going on and i don't think it's looking very good for the president. but larry i do want to add that these redactions might not look very good for the f.b.i. or the d.o.j

mr. mueller knows. maybe he's not vulnerable. maybe he's angry at the process. his monthly attack on mr. sessions. >> shepard: if goal is to get jeff sessions to resign so he can put somebody in that position that would not have to recuse himself and change the scope of the mueller investigation, so far at least it's not working. >> it's problematic. if that's what you want to do, firing him feels obstruction of justice doesn't it? so maybe you force him to resign. even there, the senate has said -- many in congress have said you're going to have a hard time getting a replacement from sessions through the congress, particularly in a dance of the mid-terms. so do you want to do this now? we don't want to be seen as putting a different person in who might be more malleable for -- to get this investigation. what happens between now and the mid-terms? probably just more of the same. what is very interestingly, the sessions statement that you cited. he said we're not going to let politics get in the way here. after the mid-terms, after there's a new complexion in the

mr. mueller to finish whatever he finishes. what happens if he doesn't? >> it's his problem.tember 7th would be the date. the justice department has a rule to stay out of politically charged investigations within 60 days of the election. i hope he respects that. >> or what? >> nothing. otherwise, it affects how people look at the legitimacy of the investigation. is it political or a law enforcement investigation? >> joining me now is ashley. >> good to see you. >> you heard trump's personal lawyer say the justice depment has a rule law enforcement should stay out of politically charged investigations 60 days within the election? >> this is not a written rule. it is an unwritten rule. it is not a law. there's no punishment. a lot of agencies have administrative rules internally. if you weak them, there could be an internal punishment. it's not that fine identity. this is a gentleman's agreement where they say it's better to stay out of elections, not have the investigation or indictment come down within 60 days of the election because of the fear it will look politically charg

mr. mueller.sident trump's, even with the plea, you don't see any claims or links between the trump campaign on the one hand and russia. i don't see any evidence, any facts out there about any kind of conspiracy to violate federal law. that's what mueller is really supposed to be investigating. >> dana: so you think of a president, if he wants to see this end, he needs to cooperate. his lawyers are telling him he would be a good idea. >> i think the best thing for the president, and the best thing for the country, dana, is to get the investigation over with as soon as possible. the more president trump fights with mueller, resists sitting down and answering questions, the longer this is going to go on. i think he could end this long national fight by sitting down with mr. mueller in answering the questions directly about what he did and what he didn't do. president trump said he didn't do anything wrong, so he has nothing really to be afraid of by telling the truth to the american people on televi

mr. mueller because he was hoping for a pardon from president trump. manafort has fought all of the charges against him even going through with a full trial last month. that prompted president trump to tweet, "unlike michael cohen, he refused to break, make up stories in order to get a deal, such respect for a brave man." >> it's called flipping and it almost ought to be illegal. you get 10 years in jail, but if you say bad things about somebody, in other words, make up stories if you don't know, they just make up lies. >> reporter: in august mr. trump's former personal lawyer michael cohen agreed to cooperate with mueller's team. cohen admitted to paying off adult film actress stormy daniels in coordination and at the direction of then candidate trump in order to influence the election. nicole killian, cbs news, the white house. >> the white house says that manafort's guilty plea is unrelated to any work he ever did for the trump campaign and it insists that president trump himself has done nothing wrong. >>> more details are emerging about an allegat

mr. mueller's team. he grilled them on how allegations about -- or against -- anafort for activities well, the copy i have ends there, but it says, quote, how does bank fraud in 2005 or 2006 have anything to do with coordination with the russian government? judge ellis said, what is really going on it seems to me is that this indictment is to put pressure on mr. manafort, but in and of itself has nothing to do with your appointment, unquote. judge ellis appeared to agree with the defense. but did not issue an immediate decision. he repeatedly barraged prosecutors about their authority to pursue decade-old charges against mr. manafort. at one point judge ellis asked how the manafort case differed from the f.b.i. raid on president trump's attorney, michael cohen. the cohen matter was referred by mueller's team to prosecutors with the southern district of investigation for and -- for investigation and possible prosecution. the manafort case is being handled directly by mr. mueller's office. he then appeared

mr. mueller has lot more tools in his tool chest than we have at the senate intelligence committee. >> brennanwhen you might get the former foreign policy advisor to the trump campaign to sit and answer questions with you and do you intend to go back to the attorney general to ask why he did very different testimony than george had about conversations regarding setting up a meeting with vladimir putin? that. >> that is something that the mueller investigation is looking into. we want to see george and michael cohen who indicated he would come back without immunity and testify before our committ committee. our committee is the last b bipartisan effort that trying to pursue these facts. if you step back and you look at all of the guilty plea, is that mueller has received, and the total number of indictments, the fact that this president still undermines the mueller investigation, this president who this week basically calling into question somebody who wrote a memo about the activities or op-ed of activities inside the white house, a president who basically asking the justice department to back

mr. mueller.sive leaking campaign on the eve of that which is extremely troubling. couple that variety of proprieties that took place if early in christine blasey ford once it became clear with mr. trump would be the nominee. and the impression you have is that a group of individuals in the obama administration and intelligence community, law enforcement community tried very hard to help hillary win and it became clear that she lost and were trying to destroy the trump administration. it is very concerning. arthel: there are accusations about underhanded, ongoing, if you will between the fbi and the doj. is anything in particular that you are focused on? >> for example, official launch of a crossfire until june 2016. of improper use of confidential informants.in ways that border on entrapment. arthel: what do you mean, what he talking about? >> and talking to various individuals that are staffers in the trump campaign instead of just asking them what was happening, as far as context and the russia

mr. mueller to finish whatever he is to finish. what if he doesn't? >> rel september 7th would be the date. the justice department has a rule that you should stay out of politically charged investigations within 60 days of the election. i hope he respects that. >> or what? >> well, nothing. i mean, otherwise it just affects how people look at the legit ma legitimacy of his investigation. >> how does the trump team justify these attempts to discredit the nvinvestigation while this happens. you saw the poll showing a number of americans do agree with it and then we have this deadline that's going to probably come and go. >> i think they're using the customs and habits of the fbi and the justice department to say don't go forward, stop it. we have an election. now, obviously that hasn't always happened in the past. remember 2016 but i think what giuliani is trying to do is shape the public perception and do something about those numbers that you just had on the screen. if the public is giving more credibility to the mueller investigation, if the public i