mr. mullin is referenced in his diaries to your suggestion that a two-party alliance would be necessary to do with the influence of mr. murdoch and it is politics. it is early something i believe to be true. you have no hope of such a consensus with mr. blair, and did not pursue this option. but putting aside the past now, sir john, isn't this something which you think is still necessary looking forward to? >> i think it's probably necessary, and certainly desirable. and i have no idea what this inquiry will recommend. but if it makes recommendations that require action, then i think it is infinitely more likely that that action will be cared into legislation if it has the support of the major parties. if it does not, if one party breaks off and decide it's going to seek future favor with power for proprietors and press barons by opposing it, then it will be very difficult for it to be carried in two law. and i think that is something that is to enforce i think there is an especially sponsored building on the lives of the three major parties. 20 odd years ago, over 20 years, 22 years ago i

mr. mullins diary. use of this mob and 70 words were you are intending to communicate that obviously the clear and stark message, which we see at the top of the page might not have been imparted to mr. murdoch as a more subtle version might have been. you accept that or not? >> i cannot remember precisely what -- precisely what i would have said. it was not an occasion that i did not recall. i do not know whether there is type of a system or not really. >> at the end of this encounter with mr. malone, you said my absolute priority is to win. i know that sounds and principle, but i see it as my role in life. >> sounds like it. by the way, let me emphasize i do not think it is an principle to win. i think if you believe in what your doing, you should. it is pointless to do anything else, but i saw an ability to go out and persuade the murder of a group as it did with others as important. >> mr. neal has attributed something that you said to him. he said ten lines down, this will depend on how they treat t

mr. mullin. in one of these on december 5, 2000, your recorded as having said you were provoked by the continual attacks on me by the murdoch press and in the telegraph. you set out in paragraphs 61 your recollection of the conversation, but more important in your view of mr. murdoch generally. can i ask you, please, to address that? >> i don't remember the conversation. he's a pretty honest guy. what he writes but i said sons very much to me as though i might have said it to him. although he said the other side of the political fence, he was something of a distant friend. i don't mean a friend in the sense that he stayed at my house, but he had a puritanical cast of mind which are rather admired. so i did talk to mr. mullin. i'm sorry you reported it. it was a private conversation. but i think it is probably entirely accurate. as for my view of mr. murdoch, i was not an especially admirer of mr. murdoch's activities as a prop.. i did recognize his enormous skill as a businessman that he had buil

tondo mullin is the hero of the book. -- mr. donovan is the hero of the book. according to this review, and from my reading of excerpts of the book, someone at the highest level of government has been talking about programs that i think are incredibly sensitive. on a scale of 1-10, how serious do you think these leaks are? >> i think they are extremely serious. >> 10? 9? 8, 7? i am not sure what 10 would be, but i would put them up there. >> i cannot imagine -- if there is something worse, i would hate to see it. my point is i think our concern on this side of the i/o is there are clearly people around -- this side of the aisle is there are clearly stories of people leaking highly-classified information. you have one program called fast and furious that has been an embarrassment to the of fenestration and has been like -- to the administration and it has been like pulling teeth to get information about that. when you have programs on the national security front that seemed to show the president as a strong leader, you can read about it in the paper. my concern,