mr. murdoch i believe. what we were seeking was authority to begin negotiations to reach whatever best figure we could it cheap. i cannot remember whether he said he wanted to know. i figured it was before. we could settle with the best figure. >> no. is it the case you said you'd have to settle at a larger sum to keep it a secret? >> no. not at all. >> did you ever raise that with mr. murdoch? >> i explained this in an e- mail. did you explain it was given in the paper. >> i cannot give this. there is only one reason. we went with him to seek authority settlements. that was the documents that consisted of an e-mail transcript being sent by one of our reporters. it consisted of a voice mail message left to and by him. >> he would have been aware that another member of staff transcribes a message. >> did he then apply it to wrongdoing? >> no. . >> what did you do about it? >> it has intercepted the transcript message. it was an illegal act fun -- hacked phone. have you explain to want to settle the case for

mr. murdoch. >> yes. >> when ultimately he has to make the decision of that has been suggested. >> yes. >> that you would agree to settle? >> yes. >> what i'm confused about is that was the only recollection i thought you offered. the impression i've got from mr. crone's evidence today is that mr. murdoch was clear that there was other aspects to the e-mail which implied wrongdoing, was more than mr. goodman and mr. mulcaire? now if that is not your recollection i've taken away today and that's what is i'm frooig to clarify in my mind and i'll look at the france script in detail. >> sure. >> was there other glenn mulcaire in that conversation with mr. james murdoch. >> the discussion was really about the for neville document. there was not as far as i remember, discussion about anybody else because there was no evidence to support anybody else being allegedly involved. >> that's very helpful. in that sense, mr. crone -- >> if i'm vague, sorry, you're at the meeting. >> sure. >> mr. crone, from wha

mr. murdoch. but this document, the difference this document made was it implicated the "news of the world "and gordon taylor without any doubt at all. >> it implicated the paper, but in terms of the widespread nature or narrow nature at the paper, it proved that the paper as a corporate body had knowledge, but did it prove that there were many reporters -- >> no. it had proved that it had been done through the computer system of a junior reporter. >> okay. that doesn't -- >> now, the obvious, the obvious inference you can draw from that is that others, an other or others knew of it because a junior reporter, clearly, wasn't doing this on husband own because -- on his own because he was just told to transcribe it. >> [inaudible] >> well, neville's name was on it, but neville doesn't accept -- [inaudible] >> can i ask you about the conflict of on-duty lawyers which mr. schaapman told me they would report to you. >> yes. >> how many on-duty lawyers would there be on any given day or night? >> one ea

in 2002 when tom mcnally said, "the government must guard the public interest as assiduously as mr murdoch guards his shareholder interests." and in 1996 when paddy said that parliament had become "a rotten mess. a dishevelled, disfigured old corpse of what was once called the mother of parliaments." free to tell it like it really is because we are in nobody's pocket. of all the claims ed miliband has made, the most risible is that his party is the enemy of vested interests. while we were campaigning for change in the banking system, they were on their prawn cocktail offensive in the city. while we've led the charge against the media barons, labour has cowered before them for decades. the most shocking thing about the news that tony blair is godfather to one of rupert murdoch's children is that nobody was really shocked at all. and today labour is in hock to the trade union barons, after their government stipend, 95% of labour's money comes from unions. most of it from just four of them. let me be clear, the values of trade unionism are as relevant as ever. supporting workers. fighting for

mr. murdoch? the phone -- >> to prove others are involved of criminal wrongdoing on the paper? >> the context -- what i explained to him -- and i can't give it in clear accurate detail because i can't remember but there was on him one reason we settled the taylor case and there was one reason, therefore, we went to him to settle the taylor litigation and was that the emergence of a document which consisted of an email, a transcript being sent by one of our junior reporters and that transcript consisted of voicemail -- apparently consisted from looking at it voicemail messages left to and by gordon taylor. >> so he would have been aware that another member of staff had transcribed an intercepted voicemail messages. that's what you told him? >> i explained what the document was, yes. >> how was that? did he then apply the company's zero tolerance to wrongdoing policy and suspend that staff member? >> nope. >> what did you do about that? >> well, it was left with the lawyers to continue the negotiati

mr. murdoch knew about evidence suggesting hacking was widespread of the newspaper. the u.n. war crimes tribunal in the hague has found a former chief of staff of the yugoslav army guilty of crimes against humanity in the bosnian and croatian wars of the 1990's. momcilo perisic was sentenced to 27 years in jail. now to afghanistan where it be a latest admission has suspended the transfer of detainees to jails following widespread allegations of torture and mistreatment of prisoners. the bbc has learned the accusations were made in a u.n. report which is yet to be finalized. prisoners were beaten and in some cases given electric shock. from kabul, we have this report. >> british troops handed over to afghan control. it should mean that these former soldiers are going home, but only if the afghans are ready, and that is in doubt. in some afghan prisons, detainees have been tortured and horribly mistreated. and no. were found handed over to international troops began the torture has been commonplace and systematic. some suffered sexual assault and others electric shock. they are