mr. murkowski. >> thank you for that question. the our a lot of lessons we learned about things we should be. for example, we should treat technology or any of the capital asset as an end. it's an means to an end. we get attacked by the bright and shiny thing ever don't think about why or how it will help us do our jobs. sometimes it's difficult because we don't always have metrics because we don't have history. we are doing things that are new to us and we have to understand that as well. so that's one thing. technology is a means to an end, it's not an end in to itself that we can't impose technologies on people who use it. went to involve them in debt to invite us to bring technologies. that's a classic mistake. we can't aspire to immature technologies before they're ready for us really to start to use them, and we do that very often. so those are all sort of acquisition lessons learned that i would say we don't in the past that we need to remember not to do in the future. >> those are good ones. those are good ones. >> thank y

mr. murkowski? >> yes, sir, thank you for that question. i think there are a lot of lessons we learn about things we shouldn't do. for example, we shouldn't treat technology or any other capital asset as an end. it's a means to an end. and we often get attracted by the bright shiny thing. and we don't think about why or how it will help us do our jobs. sometimes it's difficult because we don't always have metrics. we don't have history. we're doing things that are new to us. we have to understand how to do things that are new to us and collect data and iterate on that. technology's a means to an end, it's not an end in to itself. we can't impose technologies on people who use it. we have to involve them. and they have to invite us to bring technologies. that's a classic mistake. we can't aspire to immature technologies before they're ready for us really to start to use them. and we do that very often. so those are all sort of acquisition lessons learned that i would say that we've done in the past that we need to remember not to do in the f

mr. murkowski? >> yes, sir, thank you for that question. i think there are a lot of lessons we learn about things we shouldn't do. for example, we shouldn't treat technology or any other capital asset as an end. it's a means to an end. and we often get attracted by the bright shiny thing. and we don't think about why or how it will help us do our jobs. sometimes it's difficult because we don't always have metrics. we don't have history. we're doing things that are new to us. we have to understand how to do things that are new to us and collect data and reiterate on that. technology's a means to an end, it's not an end in to itself. we can't impose technologies on people who use it. we have to involve them. and they have to invite us to bring technologies. that's a classic mistake. we can't aspire to immature technologies before they're ready for us really to start to use them. and we do that very often. so those are all sort of acquisition lessons learned that i would say that we've done in the past that we need to remember not to do in the

mr. murkowski? >> yes, sir, thank you for that question. i think there are a lot of lessons we learn about things we shouldn't do. for example, we shouldn't treat technology or any other capital asset as an end. it's a means to an end. and we often get attracted by the bright shiny thing. and we don't think about why or how it will help us do our jobs. sometimes it's difficult because we don't always have metrics. we don't have history. we're doing things that are new to us. we have to understand how to do things that are new to us and collect data and reiterate on that. technology's a means to an end, it's not an end in to itself. we can't impose technologies on people who use it. we have to involve them. and they have to invite us to bring technologies. that's a classic mistake. we can't aspire to immature technologies before they're ready for us really to start to use them. and we do that very often. so those are all sort of acquisition lessons learned that i would say that we've done in the past that we need to remember not to do in the

mr. murkowski, you feel free to jump in if you feel and assess the two.s used on the northern border? >> yes, sir, they are used on the northern border. >> in concert with the canadians? >> no, they are used in conjunction with the border patrol, sir. >> it's not a joint effort? you guys? >> it is not. >> how about radar in the northern border? >> we do pull in all faa radar feeds dod feeds. >> how about radar under 5,000 feet on a northern border? >> the coverage is limited. >> okay. >> what about ground sensors? >> yes. on the northern border. and those feeds are directly shared across international -- >> okay. that's good. how many miles would you say on a northern border ground sensors are utilized? >> i could be precise to the record with some data -- >> that'd be fine. >> each of the sectors. >> when we're talking about a technology like drones and ground sensors in particular, less on radar, but when ground sensors and drones in particular, is there -- is there some reduction in manpower when they're utilized? or is that not the case? >> in making

mr. chairman. >> the time of the senator has expired. the senator from alaska ms. murkowski. >> thank you, mr. chairman. general dempsey, thank you for your service and i was reminded of big fish on my wall and my office, there's more in the waters here there's no flyfishing in montana but we would welcome you any time. thank you for your service. i want to talk about the arctic. i just came from a made in my office. primarily men and women from the war college who want to talk about issues. i said if you read my chair today but was u.s. secretary and general dempsey. without question that was the arctic. where are we in the arctic when it comes to u.s. investment? the general opinion is whether it is talking about icebreakers for communication or even wheeled vehicles that operate in arctic environments, the united states may be 40 years behind depending who you are talking to. i was at the arts council meeting last week with secretary kerry and all anybody wanted to talk about was precious arctic push and what were we going to do without regard and i think we're all trying to understand exac

mr. hallin. welcome to the committee. >> chairman murkowski ranking member cantwell, and members of the committee, thank you for the opportunity to testify before you today. my name is bruce hallin and i'm the director of water rights and contracts for salt river project, or water supply to metropolitan phoenix. srp rating 7 dams, 1300 miles of canals and numerous ground water wells. we're also dependent on the health of a 13,000 mile watershed and protecting these head waters has been a priority. around the turn of the 20th century, watershed protection efforts focused on ensuring development in timber harvests were conducted in a way that reserved water supply. today it's causing catastrophic water fires that threaten the sustain ability and quality of tricking water for millions of arizona. this situation is not unique to arizona. we're working closely with the national water resources association and others who are facing similar threats to their head waters. catastrophic fire has severe and long term impacts to watersheds which are felt far beyond the area directly impacted by the fire. unli

thank you chairman murkowski, i look forward to our discussion. zbls thank you mr. secretary. again, appreciate your leadership on this and the opportunity to work with you going forward. this is a big report. there's a lot in it. there is as much to consider but we see a lot of good thoughtful reports with much to consider that come before us here in the congress. and one complaint that many of us have is that we -- this is not directed at you but we see these good strong solid reports but then there's no follow through with legislative proposals coming out of the administration. one example is the energy trust fund from last congress. i had proposed it. the president actually noted it in one of his state of the unions, we never really saw something happen from that. so the question very broadly is how do you envision a plan for engagement with this committee, with the congress, on the qer beyond this hearing? are you looking for input from members of congress here? are you going to send legislative text? how do you view moving forward from a broader perspective? >> madam cha