mr. be myler -- mr. myler, if mr. pike's notes are correct, had a conversation with you on the 27th of may, is that correct? >> that's correct. according to these notes -- >> according to these notes. >> as you know n testimony to the select committee, neither mr. myler or i had a direct connection to this, but i don't have any reason to believe it didn't occur. >> spoke to james murdoch, and then you can see the little dash, not any options, wait for phelps' view. so are we to deduce from that that you made the obvious and sensible point, look, we're paying for legal come's opinion, he's going to give us advice, let's wait and see what he says? >> yes. and i think they had already instructed leading counsel at that time to provide an opinion. >> so there was no other option, was there? >> well, i thought it was -- i presume from this, again, i don't have a direct recollection of the conversation, that there was a brief conversation, and myler left the conversation with me thinking there was no option other than to wa

>> well, i would help mr. myler we do what he was commissioned to do, and certainly during the remaining seven or eight months of mr. hinton's regime, he did not report back to him. >> may i ask you -- >> maybe he didn't find anything out. he certainly didn't report back. >> did you make it clear to mr. hinton that mr. coulson needed to resign when malkin and goodman were sent to prison? >> now. -- now. he came forward and said i knew nothing of this, but it happened on my watch, and i think i've got to go. i should go. >> did you have a conversation with mr. coulson about this? >> now. >> together conversation with mr. hinton about mr. coulson leaving the company? >> i think he called me and told me this. and thought that mr. coulson was doing the honorable thing. and we, we all agreed the fact that somebody, we got one person, -- had engaged in hacking was a very, very serious matter. >> news corporation international boss rupert murdoch facing questions about the phone-hacking scandal and allegations of illegal p

. >> why would mr. myler -- >> i could think of some stronger people. >> is it your assessment that mr. myler was a weak individual and therefore the wrong man for this job? >> i would say that is a slight exaggeration. >> how would you put it up mr. murdoch in your own words?

mr. myler's mind was at this time. i do know that when i did speak to him about it, it was solely with respect to increasing their authority to negotiate a settlement with mr. taylor. >> on the meeting on the 10th of june, was there an agenda? >> know, other than to update me on this litigation proceeding. >> is it normal, mr. murdoch, not to have an agenda for any meeting, even one of this sort? >> many meetings don't have a written order agreed agenda other than a general heading. >> had the meeting -- do you think that mr. myler drew your attention to the e-mail that had been sent on saturday? >> i don't. i don't recall a discussion around that. >> is it possible that the e-mail, particularly mr. pike's e-mail was being regarded as the agenda for the meeting? >> if it was, it wasn't what was followed. the conversation is one that on the 10th was a brief conversation that i have described at length. >> did mr. krohn arrived with a file? >> i don't remember if he had one or not. >> did mr. myler order crone pervert you

>> well i would hope that mr. myler would do what he was commissioned to do, and certainly during the remaining seven or eight months of mr. hinton's regime, he did not report that, no. >> maybe he didn't find anything out. he certainly did not report that. >> did you make it clear to mr. hinton that mr. coulson needed to resign when mulcaire and whitman -- >> no. i said to mr. coulson that he came forward and said i knew nothing of this, but it happened on my watch and i think i have got to go. >> did you have a conversation with mr. coulson about this issue? >> no. >> did you have a conversation with mr. hinton about mr. coulson leaving the company? >> i think he called me and told me this and felt that mr. coulson was doing the honorable thing. and we all agreed to the fact that somebody, we thought one person, the police thought one person, had engaged in hacking and it was a very very serious matter. >> were you aware of any aspects of mr. coulson's settlement package? >> no. >> told told the select committee that

. >> did either mr. myler or mr. crone have leading counsel's opinion? >> they did. >> did they mention leading counsel's opinion in context of the reputational damage to your company if the case fault and in particular because the new evidence demonstrated that the case went beyond mr. goodman? >> no, they didn't. >> you've seen paragraph 6 which makes the very point, haven't you? >> yes. i didn't see it at the time nor was it produced to me. >> when mr. myler or mr. crone calm or anxious during this short meeting? >> >> i would say more on the anxious side. they were able to leave the room with the notion to settle the case at a higher number. >> the truth is, mr. murdoch, they were very keen that you settled. they were very keenly transmit the message to you that if you didn't there was serious reputational risk to the company -- >> i wouldn't put it in that order, no. >> i would say the reputational damage was inextricably linked of the rehash of old news but with something new. >> that is not what they communicated to me. >> were you surprised that

. >> why would mr. myler -- >> i could think of some stronger people. >> is it your assessment that mr. myler was a weak individual and therefore the wrong man for this job? >> i would say that is a slight exaggeration. >> how would you put it up mr. murdoch in your own words? >> while i would hope that mr. mitre would do what he was commissions to do and certainly during the remaining seven or eight months of mr. hinton and's regime he did not report back to him. maybe he didn't find anything out. he certainly didn't report that. >> did you make it clear to mr. hinton that mr. coulson needed to resign glenn mulcaire and goodman returned to business? >> no. i said mr. coulson came forward and said i knew nothing of this that it happened on my watch and i think i have got to go. i should go. >> did you have a conversation with mr. coulson about this issue? >> no. >> did you have a conversation with mr. hinton about mr. coulson leaving the company? >> why did he call me and tell me this and felt that mr. coulso