mr. nance, come on up. >> chief nance, juvenile probation department. >> curious, sitting there listening to this, how do you see your outfit department being integrated into the system? >> great, thank you for the opportunity to comment on the juvenile probation department's role relative to justis. we have sort of been in the second, third phase of the project as a result of the nuances with juvenile records and the confidentiality, specifically around juvenile records. however, we recognize and we have shared with the governance council the need to have juvenile access to the records maintained by the police department, by the sheriff's department, with respect to those individuals who cross over between the two systems. i agree with eileen hurst's comments with respect to the governance of the system. i think 2005, during the time that i was at the mayor's office of criminal justice, the responsibility for managing justice rested in my office for the year that i was in that office. and it w

mr. gamez, appreciate your time in informing us. >> thank you, bye. >> let's bring in malcolm nance and jim once again and malcolm i apologize for cutting you off but we're getting that information important from the commissioner and as you heard him say, again, this is information he is not confirming but he is saying with a certain degree of confidence that there are multiple people dead. he said that number is close to 24 though that number could obviously fluctuate as well. he emphasized that 24 people have been injured and one of the things that i think was extremely interesting to learn is that the shooter, the suspect, managed to flee the scene and was taken down in guadalupe county. what does that tell you about how that situation unfolded, malcolm? >> well, that tells me that this is -- again, this is texas so the way you have to move around there is by vehicle. you're not going to want to do that on foot. it's a very wide, broad country so obviously the suspect jumped into a vehicle. decided to escape and depart the scene and that's where we had the reports of a high-speed cha cha

nance. governor bentley story from just a year ago, locally here in alabama we knew about these things and there was trouble in paradise for mr. bentley long before the story ever broke. long before that. you hear these things. we heard nothing about this until the "washington post" broke this story. and now it's an epidemic. it's an demg level because it's sensational, but it feels a lot like dash i told anderson cooper that it feels like a lot like the dirty dossier thing for donald trump. they swore that he did these horrible things with these prostitutes and sick stuff and that turned out to be completely fake. >> we haven't reported here on cnn the salacious details of that dossier, but much of the dossier has been corroborated. there are things in it that have not, but you don't know -- >> actually, the dots yeah that first came out said that the dossier was about him doing some sick sexual things with some prostitutes. >> you can report that. cnn is not reporting that part of it. so if you want to go ahead and say it, you can. >> that's what i'm saying. that's what the initial story i read was and i said wow, that soun