mr. natell is 75 and therefore forced in to retirement in january. charlie winburn will be term limited out after serving through november of next year, 2017. pardon me. once before, mr. winburn serves seven years on council and was term limited out. he then served on the ohio civil rights commission. throughout his political career he has served as a minister. welcome to newsmakers. >> thank you very much, dan. pleasure to be here. >> welcome, both. >> the last race we sort of focused on was in district 31 for the ohio house. and there are a number of young people running for the first time. so it just struck me as i was getting ready for this, what we've got here is a lot of experience. no longer judge, so i refer to you as mr. naytell. >> former judge naytell, whatever it is. >> there's not going to be any pete roses or tracy hunters in front of you in that situation. why run for this? why take it on? >> i will answer that in a second. but i do want to point out to your viewers, initially that was a three-man race. russ johnson has -- and i want the viewers to know this. he has withdrawn