mr. navarro downplayed the whole run. chinese officials have brought this up as questioning mr. rro's o cut ability. he told us a program that china was not paying the tariffs and we now know they weren't paying the tariffs in china is pena and he fabricated the source, he fabricated the source over a number of books. if a high school student did that they get expelled from school. will note under mr. navarro get expelled from administration. will wait and see as a president likes to say. >> part of the challenge of ip protection is a full come of all of this conflict between china and the united states. my concern a lot of the ip theft is in the past and a lot of what china is room with artificial intelligence are in their own 5g network what people are calling the splinter net, their own technology protocol and will have our own and their interbreeding on those things. i fear what we are basically doing, were addressing past abuses without dealing with future competition which would involve us spending a lot more money to the department of defense, darpa, on her own artificial

mr. navarro's co-author was unaware of ron varas' fictional status. ron varas is quoted in "seeds of destruction" which was written in 2010 by navarro and glenn hubbard, a professor of finance and economics at columbia university. asked via email whether he knew peter thnavarro inserted a fictional character into their book and whether doing so was okay with him, professor hubbard replied, "no and no." as in, no, i didn't know he was making up sources for our book, and no, i'm not okay with it. and that's just bizarre. i mean, it's just funny and it's weird and it's -- but in the trump administration, with their hiring policies and their excellent vetting, that is who you're going to get as the top china adviser to the president. right? get me the "death by china" guy. and he has now become the actual architect of a real trade war that our country is waging with china and as a result of that, u.s. manufacturing is in an actual recession for the first time in years and the federal government is giving direct bailout payments to u.s. farmers to compensat

well again let me go in reverse order mr trump and the people around him mr navarro and others have made a remarkable set of quite different demands on the chinese at one point or another they should stop doing intellectual property theft they should change their system so it's more open and more like that of the united states all the way down to they should buy more corn and soybeans here's the problem the chinese have been the fastest growing economy in the world for 25 years they grow much quicker than the united states they're more successful if growth is your objective as it has been for them there is no way they are now going to give up a system that has worked so well for them to this point that level of irrationality and self destructive this is not going to be forthcoming so all those kinds of demands that trump and his allies make they're never going to see those anyway all they're going to see from china is little things they'll buy some more i go cultural those kinds of things those will not get the big changes mr trump wants they won't even get much of the little ones he's a

mr. navarro where thanks dan when he joins us from the white house. first this.tside of manhattan courthouse where exxon is on trial. the world's largest publicly traded oil and gas

mr. navarro saying -- supposedly, there's a signature happening next month.merican companies? >> we've had so many trade deals with the chinese. many of them on intellectual property protection and the chinese have dishonored all of them. they've stealing hundreds of billions of dollars of u.s. ip each year. we don't know exactly. but agreements aren't going to really do this. it's unfortunate but, you know, you can't trust beijing's word. arthel: are we kidding ourselves to think that china doesn't already have access to any private information or intellectual property that it already wants to have access to? >> it has access to a lot, arthel but these rules that go into effect on the first of december would give them more access. right now, yes, the chinese are stealing a lot but they'd be stealing even more. arthel: what can we do? what can president trump, peter navarro, what can they do to stop this? >> i think get u.s. companies out of china. before that, we can negotiate with xi-jinping, try to defer the p application of these rules like we've done in

mr. navarro about is that when thinking about trade it is canada and mexico that is most important to us, are canada and mexico, so that is really the deal, now the question is what is usmca replace? if we think about this really different to the status quo i must say that -- i -- i worry that the administration suffers a bit of delusions grand you are on this i heard the navarro, interview and i am not as optimistic about the effects of actually passing usmca on growth in the economy, it would be a positive thing in large part because it would resolve uncertainty. right now i think having a deal that is out there, that we don't really know whether going to be passed whether not going to be passed is not he healthy for the economy the problem is that it doesn't change things all that much. i don't think it is as dramatic a difference from nafta as others have talked about. in -- if it does anything, it actually is more protectionist look what they are talking about basically raising wages, for producers in mexico, and canada mostly mexico. making sure that they kantner cut american worker

navarro. gentleman on the right-hand side of the screen is senator steve daines, republican from montana. mrgen out of the house and out of the congress, and we will not get to usmca, usmca will be a casualty of impeachment? will it? >> well, no doubt. navarro is right. nancy pelosi and the democrats have impeachment obsession. i wish they had obsession with american jobs. the usmca creates 180,000 new american jobs. you think about our trading partners. china is our largest but remember, too, mexico is number three, number four, japan. the mexico/canada trade combined is twice as large as what you get out of china. this is a really big deal for our country. unfortunately, pelosi and the democrats are obsessed with impeaching this president instead of moving forward with usmca. the president signed this deal over a year ago, usmca. the congress now has to ratify it. we have the votes in the house. we have the votes in the senate. the single person who is blocking this is speaker nancy pelosi. stuart: i think she's taking, the speaker is taking an enormous risk because if people feel that thi