mr. nicholson mentioned abortion. i want to point out that if you have to move to another country and you want an abortion to be illegal, you could move to sway allpain, korea, japan, european countries. if you want to move to a country where abortion is against the law, you could move to afghanistan, the congo, egypt. there are all kind of third world and islamic countries. my mother told me you are known by the company you keep. mr. nicholson wants us to be known with the company of all these dictators and islamic countries where abortion is banned. i would like him to explain why they are right and all of europe is wrong on abortion. guest: i think that abortion is wrong. i think it is a violation of natural law. i think those that are so interested in human rights should be interested in the right of a human that has been created in the womb of a woman. we tried to pass a piece of legislation here in the last at least toys, protect a fetus in the womb after 20 weeks because it has been deemed that when they are ab

mr. nicholson mentioned abortion. i want to point out that if you have to move to another country and you want an abortion to be illegal, you could move to sway allpain, korea, japan, european countries. if you want to move to a country where abortion is against the law, you could move to afghanistan, the congo, egypt. there are all kind of third world and islamic countries. my mother told me you are known by the company you keep. mr. nicholson wants us to be known with the company of all these dictators and islamic countries where abortion is banned. i would like him to explain why they are right and all of europe is wrong on abortion. guest: i think that abortion is wrong. i think it is a violation of natural law. i think those that are so interested in human rights should be interested in the right of a human that has been created in the womb of a woman. we tried to pass a piece of legislation here in the last at least toys, protect a fetus in the womb after 20 weeks because it has been deemed that when they are ab

mr. nicholson, the void that the pope's visit seems from all walks of life, even perhaps ats, what you think's come from? this in acrimony in washington d.c. on almost every level and now most every day we move closer to being a godless nation. is there some sense of desperation that we could so that laura and perhaps this is why the visit is such a success. >> i wouldn't pretend to know all the reasons. my sense is telling me they see in this man a hope in spiritual plateau that people subliminally are aspiring to. this has become a wildly secular country anything goes, laissez-faire conduct in the social sphere. i just don't think that is satisfying the basic needs of the people. i think they want more in their lives. they want some common denominator of a spiritual dimension and they see in pope francis a man who you could say has an agenda, which i think he does someone on immigration and population and poverty, but he is pure or so to speak and there is a longing for that. charles: would talk about capitalism. i don't think there's ever been anything better than not improved but the suc

want to cover the markets at some point, but right now i have jim nicholson with me, the former ambassador to the vatican. i believe, mreriod, is that correct, sir? >> i was there the first term, 2001-2005. stuart: okay. now, did you know the pope before he became pope? did you ever meet him, any contact with him? >> i did not know him. i have since met him but i really don't know him. my pope was john paul ii. stuart: okay. a lot of us are saying, what's going on here? the holy father makes an opening statement in america which is all about climate change. we were not expecting that, maybe tomorrow when he addresses congress, but not today. what do you make of it? >> i think it's unfortunate. the pope is being very heavily influenced by the pontifical science. >> when galileo said that the earth revolves around the sun and he said, no, the sun revolves around the earth and advised on matters scientific and technical and it's by noble lawy lawyer-- laureates. and i think he's fallen into their sway and is being very one dimensional about it. stuart: mr. ambassador, he's gone straight into politics. that was essentially