even my colleague the ranking member mr. nunes, we want people to come forward and we will protect the identity of those at all cost. this has been a bipartisan priority and one that we've done our best to maintain. i want to be very careful but let me be clear about several things about the whistleblower. first of all i do know who the whistleblower is. i haven't met them or communicated with them in any way. the community -- the committee staff did not write the complaint or coach the whistleblower what to put in the complaint. the committee staff did not see the complaint before it was submitted to the inspector general. the committee including its staff did not receive the complaint until the night before acting director of national intelligence, we had an open hearing with the acting director on september 26 more than three weeks after the legal deadline by which the committee should have received the complaint. in short, the conspiracy theory which i think was outlined earlier that the whistleblower colluded with the intel c

lev parnas says that mr. nunesis top staffer were actually involved in the ukraine scandal in the sense that they were involved in the effort to try to gin up a corruption scandal for joe biden in ukraine. mr. parnas says he helped them in that effort. we contacted congressman nunes's office for comment tonight. we did not receive any reply before air time. we'll let you know if that changes before we're off the air. more ahead, stay with us. he air. more ahead, stay with us best original screenplay... there's only one way this ends. and best picture of the year. last man standing. (mom vo) we got a subaru to give him some ato reconnect and be together. and once we did that, we realized his greatest adventure is just beginning. (vo) welcome to the most adventurous outback ever. the all-new subaru outback. go where love takes you. stop dancing around the pain that keeps you up again, and again. advil pm silences pain, and you sleep the whole night. advil pm >> you raised the issue of ambassador yovanovitch to presid

lev parnas says mr. nunesffer were involved in the effort to gin up a corruption scandal for joe widen in ukraine. mr. parnas says he helped them in that effort. we contacted congressman nunes' office, we did not receive any reply before air time. we will let you know if that changes before we're off air. more after this. >>> why are we doing this? why are we doing what? using my old spice moisturize with shea butter body wash... all i wanted was to use your body wash and all i wanted was to have a body wash. . >> i do actually before i go i want to bring you some news we got moments ago, while we have been on the air tonight in the past couple minutes, we got a response from former mayor mr. guiliani mr. parnas told us in today's interview. you heard him say on the air guiliani had made introductions with ukrainian officials in which he said he told the officials that mr. parnas spoke as a representative of president trump. mr. guiliani tonight denied to us that he ever did that, asked whether mr. parnas was

lev parnas says that mr. nunesop staffer were actually involved in the ukraine scandal in the sense that they were involved in the effort to try to gin up a corruption scandal for joe biden in ukraine. mr. parnas says he helped them in that effort. we contacted congressman nunes's office for comment tonight. we did not receive any reply before air time. we'll let you know if that changes before we're off the air. more ahead, stay with us. (whistling) (whistling) stop dancing around the pain that keeps you up again, and again. advil pm silences pain, and you sleep the whole night. advil pm "191including best director, best original screenplay... there's only one way this ends. and best picture of the year. last man standing. go where the new year takes you with t-mobile. get free smartphones when you add new lines. so you can stream like this... ...because we give you that and we also give you that.so you can stargaze like this... game like this adjust this. re-adjust this. and you can do all this, because of that.

>> i certainly understand why mr. nunes and mr.n mr. kris took. he took it vocally and more broadly, it raises a question of whether or not the fisa court is tone deaf? you know, why would they possibly appoint someone this type of record to look into these issues? it does not make any sense to me at all. liz: devin nunes is saying like the fisa court wants to abolish itself. sam, great to see you. come back soon. liz: thank you very much for having me. same here. we love having you on. next we'll ask texas attorney general ken paxton on the breaking news, house judiciary democrats, now want to probe the trump administration's remain in mexico policy for central americans seeking asylum. remember canada and europe have the same type of policies that debate coming up. it'll ruin your house. so get allstate and be better protected from mayhem, like meow. .. most people think of verizon as a reliable phone company. but to businesses, we're a reliable partner. we keep companies ready for what's next. (man) we weave security into their

weeks back "the washington post" was quick to fact check the house intel committee haranking member mr. nunes9 is not like george washington in 1794. our first president sought, quote, a deal on behalf of u.s. interests, the interest being not getting into another war. while the trump impeachment inquiry is, quote, looking into whether trump was trying to negotiate a deal not for u.s. interests but for his own political gain. as democrats have tried to build their case, it has occurred to a lot of people that some of the most emotional testimony we saw throughout some of the most eloquent and patriotic words have come from immigrants to this country who have sacrificed for our country and consider it an honor to serve the united states. >> my service is an expression of gratitude. >> i take great pride all this country has given to me and my family. >> that gave my family refuge from authoritarian oppression. >> i'm an american by choice. i became a citizen in 2002. i was born in the northeast of england in the same region that george washington's ancestors came from. both my region and my fa

reporting the indicted ukrainian lev parnas has been working with ranking member devin nunes on mr. nunesoverseas investigations? >> i have no knowledge of that. >> mr. chairman, you have been falsely accused throughout the proceedings as being a quote-unquote, fact witness. now, if this story is correct, the ranking member may have actually been projecting and, in fact, he may be the fact witness if he is working with indicted individuals around our investigation. >> it does seem that nunes may know quite a bit about this scheme. >> yeah, that's exactly right. so it at least raises the spectre or the possibility that a member of congress was involved in the very effort for which president trump was impeached. it wasn't really an avenue that was explored by the house intelligence committee during the impeachment inquiry. it's kind of an awkward and touchy subject when for at least for chairman schiff when his own ranking member is the subject of it and it was, i know, a very tough decision for them to ultimately release these records that were provided by at&t as part of the investigation

parnas and perhaps a are not member of the house, mr. nunes. >> well, as i told your colleague michael holmes, i don't think hollywood could have scripted this any better. but look, this is -- as much as we like to read about this and the drama and everything, at the end of the day, it does appear more and more that the united states, which is of course an ally of ukraine, did threaten not only president zelensky but former president poroshenko in order to dig up dirt on the bidens. and to ukraine, this is -- i don't know if i would use the word that they are angry, i think that they are more hurtful and bewildered by what is going on. because not only does ukraine depend on that bipartisan support, but it also depends on the white house being a close ally when it goes for example to negotiate with russia to bring peace to eastern ukraine. and without that backing, it is at a big disadvantage. i spoke day before yesterday in london with the foreign minister from ukraine and he said that our main goal is to keep the strong bipartisan support an

what about mr. nunes with the staff. there is even more layering there. think the story would be as big. >> there is absolutely no reason unless as lev tells us, the reason i had access was because rudy giuliani told people i was the president's guy. it sounds like somebody delivered that message to noongs, too. >> something we do on this show that our viewers know, whether it is with jay sekulow, or what you saw on the top, i want to show what is relevant in the senate trial. two sides to it. here is senator had graham going after what parnas said and his credibility from this new interview. >> i haven't looked at it. the questionable. all the evidence i've seen is a bunch of notes. nothing to do with the facts as far as i'm concerned. the people in question are sketchy at best. >> if the people in question are sketchy, it is that like democrats went out and looked for the dirtiest witness they could find. the president picked this witness when rudy giuliani brought him on to the team. the reality is if lindsey graham and republicans don't think parnas i

and i have to wonder to what degree mr. nunes or his staffer, derrick harvey, vetted parnas. about the dark hand of the russians. and it seems to me their the double winners here because they are continuing to drive a wedge between the ukraine and the united states and, of course, they are continuing to exploit the political turmoil in this country. and i wonder about a russian connection here, as i say, the dark hand of russian intelligence which is heavily penetrated the ukraine in the first place. to me this is a very unhealthy situation. i'll put it that way. >> yeah, easy way to plant bad information. director clapper, thanks very much. >> thanks, jim. >> coming up next, former vice-president joe biden is speaking out on impeachment as he campaigns in south carolina. we're going to take you there live as several of his 2020 rivals prepare to head back here to washington for the trial to sit as jurors in the trial, in fact, of president trump. you've had quite the career. yeah, i've had some pretty prestigious jobs over the years. news producer. executive transport manage

. >> that concludes our 45 minutes i now recognize mr. nunes.y um - why don't we take a five or ten-minute break >> thank you >> seth: man, look at his face [ laughter ] he looks like he just walked in on his parents having sex with someone else's parents [ laughter ] there's only two explanations for that face. either he just heard lengthy testimony detailing a criminal scheme so shocking, it could bring down the presidency of trump. or he sharted and he's trying to remember how far away his backup pants are. [ laughter ] sondland's testimony didn't just go straight to trump but also involved virtually everybody at the highest levels of the administration sondland named every name in the book >> secretary perry, ambassador volker, rudy giuliani, secretary pompeo, brian mccormick, ms. kenna, chief of staff mulvaney, rob blair, vice president pence, a$ap rocky >> seth: he named a$ap rocky [ laughter and applause sondland name-checked virtually all of trump's senior aides, vice president mike pence, secretary of state mike pompeo, energy secretary

even my colleague the ranking member mr. nunes, we want people to come forward and we will protect the identity of those at all costs. this has been a bipartisan priority and one that we have done our best to maintain so i want to be very careful but let me be clear about several things about the whistleblower. first of all i don't know who the whistleblower is. i have not met them or communicated with them in any way. the committee staff did not write the complaint or coach the whistleblower what to put in the complaint. the committee staff did not see the complaint before it was submitted -- submitted to the inspector jumped at the committee including its staff did not receive the complaint until the night before acting director of national intelligence. we have an opening here in on september 26 more three weeks after the legal deadline by which the committee should receive the complaint. in short the conspiracy theory which i think was outlined over earlier that the whistleblower colluded with the intel committee staff to hatc

the impeachment inquiry spotlight from the president to the house intel's ranking member devin nunes? >> mrairman, i ask unanimous consent to putto in the record the "daily beast" story. nunes, derek harvey participated in the meetings arranged to help nunes' investigative work. >> nunez said at the time, parnas? doesn't ring a bell. then did an about face this week just as parnas threw him under the bus, but still made it sound limited. >> you know now that he had called my cell phone and i didn't know his name, i didn't remember the name. >> the big example of it is take a look today at congressman nunes' interview on fox. he all of a sudden have an epiphany and remembers our phone call exactly. now he remembers speaking to me about nothing. but he remembers exactly. >> it was just a phone call, right? is that that big a deal? it wasn't just a phone call. we now have some of the conversation between nunes' top aide and parnas. what about? setting up meetings, some of which the aide attended. with whom? ukrainian officials and guess who else would be involved? rudy giuliani, clearly things

even my colleague the ranking member mr. nunest people to come forward and we will protect the identity of those at all costs. this has been a bipartisan priority and one that we have done our best to maintain so i want to be very careful but let me be clear about several things about the whistleblower. first of all i don't know who the whistleblower is. i have not met them or communicated with them in any way. the committee staff did not write the complaint or coach the whistleblower what to put in the complaint. the committee staff did not see the complaint before it was submitted -- submitted to the inspector jumped at the committee including its staff did not receive the complaint until the night before acting director of national intelligence. we have an opening here in on september 26 more three weeks after the legal deadline by which the committee should receive the complaint. in short the conspiracy theory which i think was outlined over earlier that the whistleblower colluded with the intel committee staff to hatch an imp

even my mr. nunes, we want people to come forward an we will protect the identity of those at all cost. this is a bipartisan priority and one that we have done our best to maintain so i want to be very careful but let me be clear about several things about the whistle-blower. first of all, i don't know who the whistle-blower is. i haven't met them or communicated with them in any way. the committee staff did not write the complaint or coach the whistle-blower what to put in the complaint. the committee staff did not see the complaint before it was submitted to the inspector general. the committee including its staff did not receive the complaint until the night before acting director of national intelligence, we had an open hearing with the active director september 26, more than three weeks after the legal deadline by which the committee should have received the complaint. in short, the conspiracy theory which i think was outlined earlier that the whistle-blower colluded with the intel committee staff

mr. giuliani said that they need to announce an investigation into joe biden. >> absolutely. i was in shock when i was watching the hearings and when i saw nunes up there. i know mr. bolton was involved in the loop because of the firing of yovanovitch. >> you believe that he knows what the administration was pressuring ukraine to do? >> 100%. >> and so you have almost the entire top tier of the president's cabinet and leadership team implicated here in some way. who do you think if anyone faces legal jeopardy? >> i remember the house impeachment inquiry, ambassador sondland said everybody knew and parnas basically confirms that. in terms of who has the most legal liability from parnas' testimony, giuliani clearly. parnas was giuliani's emissary in ukraine pep didn. he didn't do anything without direct. and also nunes, the ranking member of the house intelligence committee is conducting an investigation about whether trump and company solicited interference in the election from ukraine by getting dirt on biden. at the same time, nunes is so he police irting dirt on the bidens if we can believe parnas. and i agree his testimony has to be taken w

. >> my point, mr. nunes, when you're talking about ukraine in 2016, i never personally heard the president say anything specific about 2016 and ukraine. i've seen him say plenty of things publicly but i was not give an directive. i was given a directive by ambassad ambassador boltn to very clearly stay out of politics. >> so too, be clear, president trump was not asking for them based on an official u.s. policy. his top advisors had not even been told of these investigations. to the contrary, they were told to stay out of u.s. politics. it was not just that president trump ignored official u.s. policy and the talking points he was given. it's that what he was doing, withholding support from ukraine, was contrary to and harmful to u.s. policy. there is clear and undisputed bipartisan support for ukraine. ukraine is our ally. what's more, they're at war with our adversary. so, our goal should be helping president zelensky's anticorruption reforms and fighting its adversary, russia, any way we can. president tr

mr. harvey is a top aide to congressman nunes. so in a few hour -- few short he are expecting the house to lay out terms of what the house managers plan to present to the senate as part of the case. considering the uncovering of new claims by lev parnas who is one step removed from president trump by way of rudy giuliani, can we expect house prosecution to compel the -- senate to introduce witnesses into the trial and parnas' at that time n aside, would the allegations pique the interest to call witnesses. >> this would show there is significant documents, certainly something they will use to convince republicans in the senate that they do need to hear from new witnesses and consider new documents as they consider whether or not president trump should be removed from office. at this point, we haven't heard, haven't had much indication from republicans that they are willing to go there. we have heard from susan l collins who obviously is facing a tough re-election who says she would be likely to vote to have new witnesses come forw

mr. parnas told me that he was shocked devin nunes was taking a leading role in the supposed investigation of the scandal, he was shocked because he, lev parnas, had arranged for a devin nunes staffer to participate in the scheme from digging up dirt from corrupt officials. that is bolstered in these text messages tonight showing lev parnas doing just that with a top staffer setting up interviews between that staffer and ukrainian officials against joe biden. what lev said to me is bolstered by the documentation that you would go to look for if you were tryi trying to prove it. i understand they want to attack lev parnas as an accused criminal. he is one of many around this president in this administration. whatever mr. parnas' own situation, the guy does seem to have kept everything, every photo, every text, every whatsapp message, every attachment. so, his claims can be checked. the white house has denied all documents from the entire federal government to the impeachment investigation. turns out lev has a bunch though and he's handed them over. turns out even the most -- what i believe

mr. nouneoon -- nunes, we w people to come forward and we will protect the identity of these people at allet the whistle-blower, and i have not met with them in anyway and the committee did not coach or tell the whistle-blower what to put in the complaint. the staff did not see the complaint before it was submitted to the attorney general. the staff did not receive the complaint until tonight before the director of acting director of intelligence, and we had a meeting and more than three weeks of the legal deadline of which the committee should have received the complaint. in short, the conspiracy theory which was outlined earlier that the whistle-blower colluded with the intel committee staff to hatch an impeachment inquiry is totally wrong. this is confirmed by the accuracy of the whistle-blower complaint which has been corroborated by the evidence that we subsequently gathered in all material respects so, i won't go into anything that could lead to the revelation or the identity of the whistle-blower, but i can tell you because my staff's names have been brought into the proceeding that

t nunes was one top investigators in the house impeachment probe and is a strong supporter of mr. trump. in the messages, parnas talked abouarranging interviews wit ukrainian officials, including and yuriy lutsenkoin'stor shokin replacement. parnas also exchanged text messages with republican congressional candate robert hyde, who now says he was "just playing." but the texts appear torv reference sueillance of marie yovanovitch, the former u.s. ambassador to ukraine. democrats want the new materials included in the upcoming trial. parnas has recently gone public with many allegations. he is facingederal campaign- nance charges but maintains he is innocent. for more on the coming impeachment trial, ryan goodman, co-editor in chief of the national security website justsecurity.orgnd a professor at new york university school of law joins us now. so, the timeline-- still not see in s >> that's right. so it's still unclear what the senate will settle on. it looks like that might be a situation of two days for either side to present their arguments. and then the big event, which is, wi

jimmy: but things got a a little tense during the hearings when nunes incorrectly addressed lieutenant colonel vindman. he said -- >> mrn, you testified in your deposition that you did not know the whistleblower >> ranking member, it's lieutenant colonel vindman, please >> jimmy: yeah [ light laughter ] then adam schiff was like, "let the record show we just had a mic drop, y'all. [ laughter ] luckily, during the testimony, there was a lighter moment who vindman joked that he speaks russian, ukrainian and a little bit of english then trump was like, "omg, me too. [ laughter ] yeah, it was a very interesting day on capitol hill, which brings us to a new segment, "impeachment hearings are better out of context. watch. ♪ >> do it do it hard do it dirty. ♪ [ laughter ] >> steve: wow! [ applause ] wow. >> jimmy: of course, the other big political story is that the hashtag -- hashtag fartgate was trending yesterday [ light laughter ] now actually, people thought representative eric swalwell may have passed gas on live tv take a look at this. >> the president used taxpayer dollars to ask the ukrainians to help him cheat -- [

when republican ranking member devin nunes began his questioning, vindman was not afraid to clap back. >> mrosition that you did not know the whistleblower. >> ranking member, it's lieutenant colonel vindman, please. ( cheers and applause ) >> stephen: or, or-- or ms. jackson, if you're nasty. ( laughter ) then-- i'm paraphrasing, obviously. then it came time for utah representative chris stewart, who used his time to throw shade on vindman's military service. >> i see you're wearing your dress uniform, knowing that's not the uniform of the day. you normally wear a suit to the white house. i think it's a great reminder of your military service. >> stephen: congressman, i see you're wearing your little bitch face. it's not the face of the day-- ( laughter ) it's not the face of the day, but it is a great reminder that you're a total douche. vindman has an identical twin brother, who also serves in the military, and that was brought up by texas representative joaquin castro, whose identical twin brother, julian, is currently running for president. >> it's great to talk to a fellow identical tw

mr. barr had to have known everything. it's impossible. i saw devon nunes sitting up there and there was a picture where derek harvey was in back over there sitting and i texted my attorney and said i can't believe this is happening. >> because? >> well, because they were involved in getting all this stuff on biden and i know mr. bolton was definitely involved in the loop because of the firing of maria von vich. >> all those people, and we now know that the message at the heart of this corrupt extortion scheme, it was delivered through a variety of channels, one of the first people we learned to deliver it was actually lev parnas himself. >> did you meet with the ukrainian official samd sergei shaffer? >> yes, i did. >> very senior aid. >> correct. >> it has been reported from public reporting that you conveyed to mr. shaffer the exact quid pro quo that you wanted zelensky to announce investigations into joe biden, or military aid would not be released to ukraine. is that accurate? >> it was a little bit more than that. basically the message that i was supp

mr. shokin is prepared to show he hadn't been in vienna for eight years, never talked to devin nunes and lied about him. how many times do i have to prove a man is a liar before he isn't featured any longer as the main witness for all you people in the press? the man is a demonstrated liar. i cannot go through every single one of the things he has said, i can assure you as those lies i just demonstrated, he didn't just lie he lied stupidly. >> laura: what is his motivation? >> a stupid lie is when your partner can contradict you. a stupid lie is when there is a tape recording that can contradict you. a stupid lie is when there is a passport that can contradict you. i can't possibly go through all the lies that he told. >> laura: all right rudy, let's move on. >> what is motivation? the motivation not to go to prison, and the same thing from michael cohen. >> laura: that's what i figured you would say. rudy, -- >> the man's character got tested. i will lie my way out of it, i am heartbroken. >> laura: a personal betrayal -- >> i am heartbroken, the lies are not just lies but stupid lies.

mr. parnas told me in the interview that he was shocked that california republican congressman devin nunes was taking a leading role in the supposed investigation of the scandal. he said he was shocked by that because he, lev parnas, had arranged for a devin nunes staffer to actually participate in this scheme by trying to dig up dirt on joe biden from corrupt ukrainian officials. that too is bolstered in these many text messages released tonight showing lev parnas doing just that with a top staffer to congressman devin nunes setting up interviews between that staffer and ukrainian officials who were making these claims against joe biden. what lev said to me is bolstered by the documentation that you would go to look for if you were trying to prove it. and i understand they want to attack lev parnas as an accused criminal. and point taken, he is an accused criminal and one of many around this president and this administration. but whatever mr. parnas's own situation in his own criminal case, the guy does seem to have kept everything, every photo, every text, every whatsapp message, every a

mr. sutherland, everybody was in the loop. >> for that reason this was not a good night to be mike pence, devin nunes, bill barr for that matteronald trump. we just wanted to air another bit of the extraordinary conversation conducted today by rachel maddow with lev parnas. a reminder, part 2 airs tomorrow night. another break for us. >>> coming up, our next two guests are pulitzer prize winning journalists who covered stories all over the world, but in their latest work set their sights on our country. we will tell you what they found out, after this. out, after this. these folks, they don't have time to go to the post office they have businesses to grow customers to care for lives to get home to they use stamps.com print discounted postage for any letter any package any time right from your computer all the amazing services of the post office only cheaper get our special tv offer a 4-week trial plus postage and a digital scale go to stamps.com/tv and never go to the post office again! >>> a gripping new book from veteran reporters nicholas kristof looks at the crisis facing working-class america. in "tightrope: americans rea

mr. sondland. everybody was in the loop. >> for that reason this was not a good night to be mike pence. devin nunes, bill barr. for that matter donald trump. we just wanted to air another bit of the extraordinary conversation conducted today by rachel maddow with lev parnas. a reminder, part two airs tomorrow night. another break for us. and coming up, our next two guests are pulitzer prize-winning journalists who have covered stories all over the world. but in their latest work they set their sights on our country. we will tell you what they found out after this. leaving you to pay the rest. with so many changes, do you know if your plan is still the right fit? having the wrong plan may cost you thousands of dollars out-of-pocket. and that's why i love healthmarkets, your insurance marketplace. with their new fitscore, they compare thousands of plans from national insurance companies to find the right medicare plan that fits you. call or visit healthmarkets to find your fitscore today. in minutes, you can find out if your current plan is the right fit, or if there's another one that can get you extra coverage

mr. sondland. everybody was in the loop. >> for that reason this was not a good night to be mike pence. devin nunes, bill barr.nted to air another bit of the extraordinary conversation conducted today by rachel maddow with lev parnas. a reminder, part two airs tomorrow night. another break for us. and coming up, our next two guests are pulitzer prize-winning journalists who have covered stories all over the world. but in their latest work they set their sights on our country. we will tell you what they found out after this. ontr ontr hey! my focus is on the road, and that's saving me cash with drivewise. who's the dummy now? whoof! whoof! so get allstate where good drivers save 40% for avoiding mayhem, like me. sorry! he's a baby! this melting pot of impacted species. everywhere is going to get touched by climate change. for ralphie's appointment. who's his groomer? carrie. full groom for sure what? i just booked ralphie's appointment online. that work? wait you what? it's that easy! download the app or book online at petsmart.com of course i'd love to take an informal poll. i used to be a little cranky. deali

mr. parnas to have john dowel to represent him. that claim about rudy giuliani setting him up with john doud, that's bolstered by the text. devin nunes was taking a shocking role. to participate in this scheme by trying to dig up dirt? that too is bolstered in many of these messages released showing parnas doing just that with congressman devin nunes setting up interviews. what lev said to me is bolstered by the documentation that you would go to look for if you were trying to prove it. i understand they want to attack lev parnas as an accused criminal and point taken, he's an accused criminal and one of this around the president. whatever whether parnas' situation is, the guy seem to kept everything, every attachment and photo, his claims can be checked. the white house denied all documents from the entire federal government to the impeachment investigation. turns out lev had a bunch and he handed it over. turns out even what i believe to be the most explosive claims he made in the interview in important ways turns out by the documentary evidence that we can corroborate by. it checks out. more ahead, stay with us. check. more ahead,

nunes. >> yes, i do. >> concerning joe biden and his son hunter trump told zelensky, "whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great." >> mr

perry, mike pompeo, attorney general barr, senator graham, congressman nunes, nunes' staffer harvey, a journalist, attorneys and mr>> wow. >> unbelievable. naming names and implicating. this is where it all goes from political calculations and slicing an dicing to truly frightening and unchartered national security territory. lev parnas, i believe the allegation is that they all had knowledge of donald trump's quid pro quo. of donald trump's effort to get dirt on the bidens from the leader of ukraine. so if he's saying that barr, the vice president pence, the energy secretary and the president were all involved and the senate passes this up and all that comes out, all the president's men are implicated, what happens next? >> look. i don't know that -- so first of all, we have never seen a conspiracy of this size at the top of government. closest came is richard m. nixon and fortunately the republican party flipped on him, rightly so. the reality is there's plenty of circumstantial evidence to already implicate all these people. right? barr, william barr himself was somehow directly involved in the decision around

nunes. >> yes, i do. >> concerning joe biden and his son hunter trump told zelensky, "whatever you can do with the attorney general would be great." >> mr. barr, i told him everything. he knows everything. i mean, it's impossible. >> i never discussed the issue -- the ish a you of the bidens with president zelensky. >> vice president pence tasked at that meeting getting president zelensky to announce investigations of joe biden specifically? >> yes. >>> good morning, welcome to "morning joe." january 16th. along with joe, willie and me, a little tired this morning. we have donny deutsch here who matched his classes with his outfit. washington anchor for bbc world news america katty kay. white house reporter for associated press jonathan lemire and former chief of staff at the cia and department of defense nbc news national security analyst jeremy bash. also with us, historian and author of "the soul of america" and rodgers professor and vanderbilt university, jon people upp. nbc news and msnbc contributor. >> i don't know. i'm trying to remember the last time that an interview revealed as much as rachel maddow's interview last night rev

mr. bolton was definitely involved. i was in shock when i was watching the hearings and i saw devin nunes sitting up there. >> in giulianid secretary perry what you need to convey to the ukrainian government is they need to announce an investigation into joe biden? >> absolutely. >> joining me now is "washington post" white house reporter ashley parker and the executive director of the institute for constitutional advocacy and protection, joshua geldser. ashley parker, parnas is really going after pretty much everybody. he's talking about pence, trump, giuliani, bolton, barr, nunes, perry, even john dowd, one of the president's attorneys, all being aware of what was going on and he's got a lot of pictures with trump and a lot of trump's associates, trump's kids even. how well connected was he to this world or can you say and maybe you can't say this definitively, was he just one of those hangers-on at the trump hotel in washington, d.c.? >> the answer, katy, is a combination of both frankly. so what you can do as a reporter and what we have done is just because lev parnas, who is under criminal indictment, says something