mr. o'donnell had to say?t to having a gaming license or a driver's license, marriage is the institution that holds america together. the family is the institution that holds america together. and to take a liberal state, such as new york state, and think they will take that standard and apply it to kansas and north carolina -- >> hold on, lenny. hold on, lenny. i want to let you finish. but you said marriage is an institution that holds families together, right? >> yes. >> so that doesn't apply for gay families? >> i think does apply to gay families, but the highest level of relationship that you can have, as christian and as a frederick douglas republican, i say the highest relationship institution is a marriage between one man and one woman. maybe it should be more like a ron paul. maybe the state shouldn't be involved in the business of marriages at all and leave it up to the churches. >> heather. >> don, i have to say the state has always been involved in marriages. the marriage is a contract, not just be

mr. o'donnell has his own view. but the majority. >> the majority of people think that marriage is the the union of husband and wife for a reason. these are the unions that make new life and connect children to their mother and father. all of us have the right to live as we choose. not of us have the right to deredefine marriage. >> brown: tell me about the political situation. >> the next big fight is in new hampshire where the question is, in new hampshire the democrats pass gay marriage and the people elect massively repudiated that by electing a new legislature just as they did in maine in this last election cycle. the people of maine were the first to repeal gay marriage. the question will be whether the legislature in new hampshire becomes the second state to repeal gay marriage. there's a movement in iowa, a movement to pass a marriage amendment in north carolina and the people of minnesota will decide this question unlike the people of new york in 2012 too. >> brown: what is the key that you see in taking wh

mr. o'donnell and then i'll asking you as well mr.now greg ball, whether or not he's actually seriously considering this issue, i don't know, i somewhere never spoken to him. i can assure you i have spoken to many senators and the vast majority of new yorkers want this resolved. my ability to get a license for my state has any impact on anyone else and finally we're on the precipice of that happening. whether it's mr. ball or one of the other senators, i don't really care, we only need one and we're going to get one. >> brian brown, same question? >> i don't think that they're close to getting another senator, necessarily. and i think that to say that redefining marriage won't affect anyone but danny o'donnell, you're absolutely false. when you're shutting down catholic charity associations in massachusetts -- >> i know what you're saying, let me just say about that, hold on. >> do with this bill, it's about licenses issued by the state, it has nothing to do with adoption agencies. >> there are many people especially legal experts who