mr. o'donnell i am retired from the nypd. went on in 1962 and left as you are leaving in 1982, or 1984, when you came on. when i came on -- what is going on in ferguson is not new stuff. this has been generational. it began in the early 1960's. 1968, fergusonin or 20 situations. panthers,t only black the black liberation army, a lot of different groups looking to kill cops. we have to come to grips with the racial aspect of this. you, when can i ask you were in the police force, did you have trained to deal with race issues, racial sensitivity? common we use plain sense. you treated everyone like you wanted to be treated. that was a training we received, and it was effective. host: ok. eugene o'donnell. to thewe have to come realization that it is a problem. remember in this conversation begets extremism. this is not the police are never wrong or never right. this is trying to find a sensible middle ground where most people are but we do have to reckon with the fact that, you know, we have a society where the carryover in law

mr. o'donnell i am retired from the nypd. i went on in 1962 and left as you are leaving in 1982, or 1984, when you came on. when i came on -- what is going on in ferguson is not new stuff. this has been generational. it began in the early 1960's. 1968, fergusonin or 20 situations. panthers,t only black the black liberation army, a lot of different groups looking to kill cops. we have to come to grips with the racial aspect of this. you, when can i ask you were in the police force, did you have trained to deal with race issues, racial sensitivity? common we use plain sense. you treated everyone like you wanted to be treated. that was a training we received, and it was effective. host: ok. eugene o'donnell. to thewe have to come realization that it is a problem. remember in this conversation begets extremism. this is not the police are never wrong or never right. this is trying to find a sensible middle ground where most people are but we do have to reckon with the fact that, you know, we have a society where the carryover in l

mr. o'donnell, what is the role of the police force in ferguson, missouri?>> guest: at this particular junction it's to try to engage the community, and we believe it's reasonably it is occurring at least on some level, peace te could be maintained in order to be maintained. a small number of people a fair bit of traveling there to create havoc in the town to be driven out and taken into custody. and then, of course, there's some long-term issues, many of them by the way our political issues but we are seeing here is a fairly collapse of civic society and a broken political system at that level, and a lot of this conversation is about a broken political system throughout the country. >> host: we can talk more about at large. what is the role of the national guard in ferguson, missouri transfer essentially to give assistance and to be there to assist with parameters, but obviously this is all being done by the seat-of-the-pants. it was not a tremendous amount of time to plan this so this is contingency planning. fortune from all accounts the proper focus rema

mr. lee's riveting testimony last night live there on the lawrence o'donnell show. msnbc.com national reporter trymaine lee and who have both been on the scene in ferguson, missouri. are other reporters feeling nervous about the situation escalating further like it it did last night? >> i think at this point, earlier this morning it was the calm after the storm and already people are starting to gather. you can hear behind me the horns are honking and people are still chanting, but with all of the leaders in the country with their eyes focused on ferguson and with the world watching and with all of the media surrounding this town to see how it will go next, with will politicians saying that now is the time for peace and it's time to demilitarize the situation, you know, people hope that it will be calm, but once night falls who knows what will happen? >> i was always thinking why don't people protest during the day? they have jobs. they have to go to work and they have to come home and be able to express their own amendment rights to protest. >> president obama met

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