mr. o'keefe, because we have the undersecretary saying, yeah there is a chatter. >> building a border fence that's been proposed and basically turned down for many reasons is not going to close out of our borders in the way that i think you're pointing to, eric. we already have an over militaryized border. >> what? >> yes, we do. i'm from texas, i've been down there, and building that fence that divides the university of texas el paso, it splits up families, it makes no sense. >> there are portions of the border that are secure, but we have 1900 miles of border. jonathan, we heard this week that the country saudi arabia has decided to do it right, they're going to build a border fence. what do you think of the saudis doing what we don't do? >> you want to copy the saudis now? you think they have a ton of great ideas? i disagree the whole secure the bodder nonsense, i think it's a red herring, a gop power grab to limit immigration, just like the patriot act, just like the whole department of homeland security, which bush invented, birr. there's no way to fence in the united states. we've bee