mr. o'reardon. >> we had compliance and we don't always know like you just mentioned, president mccarthy that the number that you see in regards to the permit was filed was filed and they were assigned that number in july. so even those thee folks might have been working with planning since march we wouldn't know that until such time as the permit is filed and it looks like from our permit tracking system that it went over to counter planning and approved the same day. and, you know, that doesn't always happen as we know. so -- >> what is the initial violation fee as opposed to what we have been assessed? >> it's two times penalty based on the valuation of the work that had been performed at the time of the inspection. >> and that is? >> so it's probably would be no more than $300 or $400, i'm just guessing at it because i don't know what the valuation is exactly but it would be a fairly low amount. >> okay, thank you very much. is there any public comment? seeing none, the staff have rebuttal? or does... appellant? >> do we have any rebuttal? okay. >> sorry, i misunderstood. i just came