mr. o'shaughnessy was presenting us with what i think has been to my basic knowledge of jefferson up until now and that is a very, a thinker, great philosopher, a very religious in his own way man, spiritual and in seeing slavery but the big picture of history and how it might influence him. your work seems to have brought out a different psychological jefferson that we are not very familiar with and you know, do you see a split in him, that he compartmentalize his to the extent where he can be this philosophical thinker and see slavery as all the thing mr. o'shaughnessy has shown us and on the other hand, the other side of him, this business side which i think as a surprise to me. i am not a scholar or a historian, but that is the other part of jefferson that even he himself, maybe he was in denial about but he was good at it. >> well i don't see him as compartmentalize. that was the formulation and i just don't buy it. it's based in large measure on things that jefferson said about slavery. many of the statement that he made, some of his most ringing anti-slavery statements we think or a