mr. ogilvie. but i hope that you feel that you have more of a duty to the people of this country than you have a duty to protect mr. ogilvie and mr. connelly and others who have been involved in these other incidents. what do you have to say about that? >> sir, you're absolutely correct and i've already made changes in our agency of people that i know and who served honorably but i wanted a fresh perspective. friends of mine. i have moved them -- or offered them positions in other components in dhs. i'm not opposed to moving people that i know. it is all about the agency. in terms of -- >> well, that's one of the problems though. too often federal employees who really mess up, they aren't really disciplined. they're not cut in pay. they're not fired, they're not terminated. they're just moved to a nice desk job someplace else and i've already been told that ogilvie and connelly have been moved to some other desk job someplace and not much at all's been done to them. i'm going to yield the balance

mr. ogilvie. but i hope that you feel that you have more of a duty to the people of this country than you have a duty to protect mr. ogilvie and mr. connelly and others who have been involved in these other incidents. what do you have to say about that? >> sir you're absolutely correct and i've already made changes in our agency of people that i know and who served honorably but i wanted a fresh perspective. friends of mine. i have moved them -- or offered them positions in other components in dhs. i'm not opposed to moving people people that i know. it is all about the agency. in terms of -- >> well, that's one of the problems though. too often federal employees who really mess up they aren't really disciplined. they're not cut in pay. they're not fired, they're not terminated. they're just moved to a nice desk job someplace else and i've already been told that ogilvie and connelly have been moved to some other desk job someplace and not much at all's been done to them. i'm going to yield the bal

mr. ogilvie and mr. conley have been moved to some other desktop someplace. -- other desk job someplace. i am going to yield the balance of my time, though. i think he has another question or two. representative: thank you. director, has custody of the video that was retained and preserved? director clancy: our technical security division. representative: and who has the power to make a copy of that video? director clancy: sir i would in consultation with my legal counsel, i have to be honest with you, i don't know that for certain. representative: to the extent that you do have the power or you have in front over those will you recommend that a copy of all video footage be made available? director clancy: congressman, i will certainly talk to our department and with our legal counsel. representative: you don't need lawyers for everything. you have a bunch of them on this panel. i am telling you, if the only excuse they have is -- to not turning it over to some theoretical investigation or prosecution, i

mr. ogilvie and the other gentleman, i'm blanking on his name, but the two agents. mr. connolly, ok. so you had an active bomb investigation going on and they drive right in to the -- they drove right through it. i guess they left their car at the white house. they were going to get their car. i understand that. in the meantime they drove right through an active bomb investigation. any disagreement on that? director clancy: i don't know the facts in terms of going to get a vehicle. but i know they absolutely drove through an active investigation. mr. lynch: ok. there's no question about that. and yet we reassign them. so we know that. we don't even ask them questions about that. and yet we just reassign them to desk jobs. no discipline at all. what's the thinking behind that? director clancy: to put them on administrative leave, they would have administrative leave with pay. and i felt that we could still get some work out of them. and also i didn't want to do the discipline in a piecemeal fashion. mr. lynch: i need to interrupt you right there. the signal you're sending to every oth

mr. ogilvy but i hope that you feel that you have more of a duty to the people of the country than to protect mr. connally and mr. ogilvy and others you were involved in these other incidents per college you have to say about that? >> you are correct and i have already made changes to people i know and who have served honorably i have moved them into other components of dhs i am not opposed to moving people that i know. it is all about the agency's. >> that is one of the problems. to lofted federal employees who mess up are not disciplined or cuts pay or fired or terminated they are just moved to a nice desk job someplace else. and i know they have been moved to another desk job someplace and not much has been done to them. i will yield the balance of my time. >> director, who has custody of the video that was retained and preserved? >> technical security division. >> who has to make a copy of that video to turnover? >> sir i would is in consultation with legal counsel but i don't know that for certain. >> to the extent that you have the power or the influence will you recommend that a copy o

mr. ogilvy is driving out of the white house compound near 15th street according to the sources who have talked to us about this when he comes across the barrier, and where secret service officers and the metropolitan police department are canvassing and securing a scene because of a suspicious package that they are worried about. and again, according to the sources, the allegations that are under investigation are that these two gentlemen appeared intoxicated, were behaving in an erratic fashion. that's not known at this point whether they were or they weren't, but the reports from the scene were that they were behaving strangely enough that officers both from the secret service and the metropolitan police department were sort of scratching their heads saying, this looks funny, what's going on here? >> and michelle was saying it's not clear who wanted to give a breathalyzer. is that your understanding, was it secret service agents that wanted to give their fellow secret service agents a breath liz breathlize er or was it a uniformed officer? >> keep in mind, the secret service officers

mr. ogilvy? >> i don't know that they were aware of it. i don't know the protective intelligence division was aware of it. >> but there is a live feed of this correct? and nobody notices that a car drives right to the scene? >> they may have noticed it. i can answer. >> that is why we are going to drag these people and have a discussion with them. we try to invite mr. buster kimberly thomas resa and michael braun very senior people within the organization. did the witnesses we sent invitations to for this hearing personally receive those invitations? >> i don't know that answer. i know they are aware but i don't have the answer. >> how do you know they are aware of its? >> i know that some of our people have talked to them. >> but not you. >> i have not. >> that they personally declined to testify before congress? >> i was not involved in those conversations. >> whose decision was it to not allow witnesses invited to testify before this committee? who made that decision? >> ultimately it was my decision. >> wiser your decision? >> they wor