mr. ornstein: you are absolutely right. i do think that we are going to find a lot of republicans who will come back into the fold. it may get closer than it would otherwise be. we're not going to see, i think, the kind of blowout of a goldwater losing 45 states, or a mondale or a mcgovern losing 49 states. the states are more firmly red and blue now, although some of those red states may be in play. but if you have got lawmakers in states that are still swing and could turn close, they have a huge dilemma on their hands. and how do you embrace trump, where you know in the process, you may end up linked to him for minority voters or others who might turn out in more substantial numbers? but if you get distance from him, you will create a backlash among a lot of others who see you as betraying the cause. so, i think there's no easy way out of it. and my guess is you're going to find some people who handle it in a very clumsy fashion, and others who may be a little more adept. in the house, they are used to running away from

mr. ornstein: i am thinking french revolution. ms. bowman: john, the governors. mr. fortier: i have a few words to say about the governors, and then i want to ask norm a follow-up. there are not so many governors in this year. it is like the class of cicadas. -- many of them are safe. overall, republicans have enormous advantage in governorships -- 31 republicans, 18 democrats, and one independent. i would say if you're looking for change, probably all things being equal, assuming not a blowout with trump losing badly, but a relatively neutral environment, there are slightly more democrats in trouble, three, really. west virginia in particular. an open new hampshire seat that is competitive, and an open missouri governorship that is competitive. on the republican side, you have a couple -- north carolina, where the race is shaping up to be close and potentially an outside chance in indiana, but i guess i'm going to focus on north carolina. looking at that, it looks like a mild republican pickup in a field or a group that already have a big advantage in. orm wasid wan

mr. ornstein: well, if file well, ifr. olsen: faust were a democrat -- [laughter] mr.eir day of reckoning is coming as well, which is to say there are partyts in the democratic that are equally irredentist and irreconcilable. the sort of people that say barack obama is a sellout -- the people that will never be satisfied with anything except. he. won't come right now, but that is coming for the democrats. -- except purity. that day one, now, but that day is coming for the democrats. ms. bowman: thank you. norman, let me ask you about something donald trump said last night. he said ted cruz has a great future. do you agree? mr. ornstein: ted cruz, who called donald trump pathological then serially immoral, and pulled the venereal disease card, which leads people to believe there is a new phrase -- meaning to the phrase "feel the to think about what happens if trump loses and there is a struggle for the soul of the party that henry is talking about. then you will see a number of factions. cruz lost so badly in indiana and had to pull out, place as the leader of the goldw

mr. ornstein: i have long been a supporter of something that will not happen in this country, which is the australian system of mandatory attendance at the polls. in australia, you don't have to vote but you have to show up, and that makes you subject to a small fine if you don't. this gives them 90% or more turnout. belgium has this as well. it does not create disaster. there are always questions of whether the least informed are out there voting. the fact is, most people who vote are very little informed. it begs the question of what do you believe by a republican form of democracy? i believe in enhancing the electorate. we had a literacy test at one point, and then not sure i want to turn that into an iq test. frankly, there are a lot of people we know with very high iqs that i would just as soon not vote. >> brazil, which is now in the process of impeaching its president is on the list of mandatory voting countries. of course, we have impeached president's in this country as well. ms. bowman: we're out of time. join me in thanking the panelists. [applause] the handout is at the recepti