mr. orr provided what? >> some elements of reporting that my understanding is originated from mr. steele. >> so bruce orr did give the fbi information relative to the dossier? >> yes. >> sean: that pause was revealing. one of the explosive revelations during the marathon hearing. and congressman jim jordan. welcome to the club if you support donald trump. you had to know the lies, the smears against you are obviously a political attack. i'm sorry you're going through that. >> you've been through it. you know what it's like. so thank you. but today -- you're -- >> sean: i know it every day. it's all of us, anyone who supports the president. >> exactly right. >> sean: and i'm sorry you and your family have to go through that. >> think about that. the top doj official, bruce orr hands parts of the dossier to the fbi. and remember, bruce orr's wife nelle worked for fusion gps who was paid by the clinton campaign to put the dossier together. this is the first time that the fbi admitted they got parts of the dossier from bruce orr, a fellow doj employee. that's scary. >> and the wife of

>> mr. orr didn't hand me anything. mr. orr provided information to the fbi that included material that's what everybody is calling the dossier. >> say that again. mr. orr provided what. >> he provided some elements of reporting that my understanding is originated from mr. steele. >> so bruce orr did give the fbi information relative to the dossier? >> yes. >> and another source in mid september gave you personally -- >> no. >> you the fbi information relative to the dossier. >> i never personally received dossier. the fbi in mid september, the first time i am aware of the fbi having that information, the first entitlementtime i saw it september. that came into the fbi. that's when i became aware of it and first read it. >> one more time. bruce orr gave the fbi documents relating to and supporting or part of the dossier, is that accurate? >> mr. orr gave the fbi documents that included material i believe originated from mr. steele. >> thank you. >> the gentleman may briefly answer the question the gentleman felt he didn't ha

but you did not from mr. orr. >> no. >> but the fbi did get documents from bruce orr. >> yes, sir. >> did they get the dossier from bruce orr. >> my direction from the fbi is i may tell you the fbi received material from mr. orr. >> this is amazing. this is amazing. so nellie orr -- >> i'm as frustrated as you are. >> nell owe orr works for fusion, works for glenn simpson -- >> regular order, please. let us bring the director of the fbi to answer those questions. the gentleman cannot answer. asked and answered. >> the american people -- >> asked and answered. he cannot answer. >> the gentlewoman -- regular order is -- >> i understand, mr. chairman. regular order. >> the fbi has now instructed mr. strzok that he can answer additional questions and mr. -- >> agent strzok -- >> jordan has official time to get the answers to those questions that he earlier was thwarted in getting. >> has the fbi also given you permission to say if glenn si simpson is the name that you use in the e-mail where you say simpson. >> i don

mr. orr provided what? >> some elements of reporting that my understanding is originated from mr. steele. >> so bruce orr did give the fbi information relative to the dossier? >> yes. >> and another source also in mid september gave you personally information -- >> no. >> you, the fbi, information relative to the dossier? >> i never personally received dossier information. the fbi in mid september, the first time i'm aware of the fbi having that information, the first time i saw it was in mid september. my understanding was that came into the fbi. that's when i became aware of it and when i first read it. bruce orr gave the fbi documents relating to or part of the dossier, is that accurate? >> mr. orr gave the fbi documents which i believe included material from mr. steele. >> the gentleman may briefly answer the question that the gentleman felt he didn't have an opportunity to answer with mr. walker. >> yes, sir. thank you. when you bring up an integrity issue -- it's interesting, you and the gentleman from texas raised this in a way that almost approaches -- it is insulting. >> t

but fbi did. >> correct. >> and different source than whom. >> it was not mr. orr who provided the initial documents. >> he did not hand you the dossier? >> mr. orrdid not hand me anything, he provided information to the fbi that included material is what everyone is calling the dossier. >> wait, wait. say it again, provided what? >> some elements of reporting that my understanding is originated from mr. steel. lou, a bombshell development, fox news chief intelligence correspondent catherine herridge with more on the hearing. reporter: agent strzok claimed hearing is a victory for russia president, and those who want to tear america apartment he acknowledged his text-messages were used to attack the fbi's integrity. >> so help you god? reporter: sphro strzok is singlt for political bias. >> after months of investigation, there is no evidence of biased in my professional actions. reporter: republicans on house panel reject strzok's claims his 2016 text explained with lisa page were political opinions not anti-trump sentiment. >> agent strzok has a most unusual and l

and you have said that -- well, you won't answer the question, whether mr. orr's given you documents or not. i'm just wondering if that was the route. was that the route the dossier went? glen simpson to nell orr, to her husband, and then to you? >> sir -- >> that's my frustration. >> i understand your question. i understand your frustration. i understand the absurdity of something produced that you're reading that i've been directed not to answer questions about. i would like to answer you and i'm afraid it is an answer that would both reassure you and disapoint you. >> we're going to be asking i think mr. chairman if it is okay with you we will be asking the fbi and department of justice to give us those documents that may or may not have been exchanged between mr. orr and agent strzok. i think that's something this committee would like to have and if in fact there were documents, what the heck they were. i've got a minute. i will yield it to -- >> sir, you are going to love this and it is going upset the vote. i have been instructed that the fbi is now telling

>> it was not mr. orr who provided the initial documents that i became aware in mid september. >> he didn't hand you the dossier? >> mr. orr didn't hand me anything. he provided information to the fbi that included material that is what everybody is calling the dossier. >> say that again. mr. orr provided what? >> he provided some elements of reporting that my understanding is originated from mr. steel. >> so bruce orr did give the fbi information relative to the dossier? >> yes. >> and another source also in mid september gave you personally information -- >> no. >> you the fbi information relative to the dossier? >>i never personally received dossier information. the fbi in mid september, the first time i'm aware of the fbi having that information, the first time i saw it, was when in mid september. my understanding is that was -- that came into the fbi, that's when i became aware of it and when i first read it >> one more time, just say it, bruce orr gave the fbi documents relating to and supporting or

at the department of justice and you've said that -- well, you won't answer the question whether mr. orr has given you documents or not. so i'm just wondering if of that the route. was that the route the dossier went? glenn sichsmpson to nellie orr, her husband and then to you. that's my frustration. >> i understand your question. i understand your frustration. i understand the absurdity of something produced that you're reading that i've been directed not to answer questions about. the best i can -- >> more importantly that you wrote. >> i'd like to answer you and i'm afraid it's an answer that would both reassure you and disappoint you. >> we're going to be asking mr. chairman, if it's okay with you, we're going to be asking the fbi and the department of justice to give us those documents that may or may not have been exchanged between mr. orr and agent strzok. i think that's something this committee would like to have and see what those -- if in fact there were documents, what the heck they were. i've got a minute, i'll yield it to -- >> sir, you're going to love this and it's going t

and at the time you were working with mr. orr, did you know that he was meeting with representatives from fusion, including glenn simpson? >> may i consult with counsel, sir? >> you sure can. if you could hold my time, please. >> sir, again, i would like to answer your question and it's a short and easy answerable question, but at the direction of the fbi, i cannot discuss the content of the operational matters that i discussed with mr. orr. >> i appreciate that, agent strzok. at the time of your meeting with bruce orr did you know that his wife, nellie, worked for fusion? >> again, i believe the same answer. stand by, sir, again, please. sorry about the time. sir, again, i'm sorry. i would like to answer that question but at the direction of the fbi because it relates to an ongoing operational matter, i can't. >> let's go back to the e-mail. i just want to make sure i understand this. it sounds like you're saying comparing now, it sounds like there are three copies, but two different versions. the set you are examining and refer

ohr, the fbi has directed me that i may say, not me, the fbi received documents and materials from mr. orr. >> did you? but you did not come mr. ohr. did you get the dossier from mr. ohr? >> the fbi received material. congressman -- >> this is amazing. nellie orr works for fusion, works for glenn simpson, and she is giving documents -- >> regular order. let us bring in the director of the fbi to answer those questions. the gentleman cannot answer. he cannot answer. >> regular order. >> i understand, mr. chairman. >> the fbi has instructed mr. strzok he can answer additional questions. >> agent strzok. >> get the answers to those questions. >> has the fbi given you permission to say if glenn simpson is the name used in the email where you say simpson? >> i don't believe they have given me guidance. my most recent understanding of my guidance from the fbi is in response to the question of whether the fbi received documents from mr. ohr. the answer is we did. that's all i'm authorized to say. >> to the fbi give give you -- >> the fbi is not directed me or allowed me to respond. >> i yelled ba

bruce orr the fbi directed me that i may say not me, the fbi received documents and material from mr. orr. >> did you? i appreciate that. you did not? >> no. >> the fbi did get documents from bruce orr. >> yes, sir. >> did they get the dossier? >> my direction from the fbi is i may tell you the fbi received material. >> this is amazing. this is amazing. >> nelly orr -- >> let us bring the director of the fbi to answer those questions. the gentleman cannot answer. asked and answered. he cannot answer. >> the regular order. >> i understand, mr. chairman. >> the fbi has instructed mr. strozk that he can answer additional questions. >> agent strozk -- >> there is time to get answers to the questions -- >> the fbi approved. >> has the fbi given you permission to say if glen simpson is the name you use when you say simpson? >> i don't believe they have given me guidance. my most recent understanding is in response to the question of whether the fbi received documents. >> has the fbi given you information to tell me whether you knew nelly orr worked for fusion at the time you were meeting with h

and you said that -- you won't answer the question whether mr. orr is giving you documents or not. i'm wondering if that was the route the dossier went. glen simpson to nelly orr to her husband and then to you. that's my frustration. >> i understand your question. i understand your frustration. i understand the absurdity of something produced that you are reading that i have been directed not to speak about. >> we will be asking the fbi and department of justice to give us the documents that may or may not have been -- i think it is something this committee would like to have and see if there were documents what they were. i have a minute. i will yield it. >> i have been instructed that the fbi has told me i can answer questions about the receipt of the documents. i will defer if you would like to hear that. >> the gentleman may proceed with his questions and you may answer. >> may i confer to see if this is completely unbounded or if there are limitations on what i may say? >> i have a lot of questions i have asked all day long. >> let's ask the one you have been told you can answe

>> mr. orr gave the fbi documents which included material that i believe originated from mr. steele. >> all right. steele was working for orr. orr was working for fusion gps. gps was getting paid by the clinton campaign. so therefore she was funding the research that went into the dossier, except we knew that. we knew that hillary clinton's campaign had been funding the work of gps that went into developing the dossier, whether it's worthy or not. okay? and matt gaetz's eureka moment about he never asked you if you were biased? where was the time? as soon as mueller found out about the texts, what happened to strzok? he was gone. so he didn't need to have a conversation with him. he acted before he even asked him anything about it. if anything, i think that little back and forth may have worked against gaetz's interest but that's for you to decide. here is the big takeaway. there are three facts that work against the gop, and i don't know they did anything to vitiate or get rid of them today. if strzok wanted to hurt trump, why didn't he leak? leaking would be illegal. it woul

. >> investigative matters that mr. orr was involved in. >> did you talk about the investigation that we're focused on here, agent struck? >> my direction from the fbi -- >> all right, all right. >> that i may not answer that question, sir. >> let's go back to the e-mail you sent that you won't talk about, are there three copies of the dossier. >> sir, to be clear i want to talk about this e-mail. >> you can say that all you want but are you not answering my questions. are there three copies? >> three copies of what? >> the mccain copy, the buzz feed copy and the one you got from corn and simpson? >> sir, the most that i can say is that we received a number of copies of -- [ overlapping conversation ] >> let me ask you one other conversation, glen simpson testified in front of the senate judiciary committee on august 22nd of 2017 and he was asked did anyone from fusion ever communicate with the fbi and his response, no, no one from fusion ever spoke with the f.b.i. and so here is what i'm having trouble understanding. if gl

>> we talked about investigative matters that mr. orr was involved in. >> did you talk about the investigation we're focused on here, agent strzok? >> my direction from the fbi -- >> all right, all right. >> i may not answer that question, sir. >> i got it. let's go back to the e-mail that you sent that you won't talk about. are there three copies of the dossier as evidenced by what you said in this e-mail? >> sir, to be clear, i want to talk about this e-mail. i want nothing more than to answer the question. >> you're not answering my questions. are there three copies? >> three copies of what? >> the mccain, the buzzfeed and the one you got from corn and simpson. >> we got a variety of copies of reports. >> let me eaask you one other question. glen simpson testified in front of the senate judiciary committee on august 2017, did anyone from fusion ever communicate with the fbi? his response, no. no one from fusion ever spoke with the fbi. so here's what i'm having trouble understanding. if glen simpson says no one ever spoke with the fbi

you said earlier, bruce orr was not working on the rush investigation. mr. rosenstein: to my knowledge. congressman: to your knowledge. did you not know that bruce orr was meeting with christopher steele, getting information about the dossier, and supplying that information to the fbi at the same time his wife, nelly, was working for fusion gps that was helping hillary clinton? did you not know he was doing that for the fbi? mr. rosenstein: correct. congressman: you did not know that? mr. rosenstein: correct. congressman: so his office was a couple of doors down but you did not know when he was the that -- did not know the was the go between that information. when did you find out about that? mr. rosenstein: the inspector general is reviewing these applications and i hope i have been opportunity to explain. congressman: if you look at the said,y that mr. hurwitz we did not have confidence that strozk's decision to follow up on the midyear investigations about what was discovered on the wiener laptop was free from bias, it's pretty clear to most of us that by

mr. wisner desmaret had been ripped from the country -- he was here illegally -- thee polie officer would be alive. >> laura: allen orrnces to the family and community for losing an officer. i thank him for his service. the issue tonight, it's not clear from the court filings that this individual is undocumented or illegal, they are probably an immigrant with a green card that is deportable. i haven't seen that in the facts. if you read the case hearing today, from his statements, it'. clear that this person might have mental deficiencies, as he assumed that everyone was after him. the thing i wanted to say, tonight is that the issue in this case is not is immigration status but crime in the united states. when we look at the failure of immigration, it is not at this individual immigrant, we should be looking at congress for they haven't done. >> laura: right now we find ourselves in a situation where people are still allowed to walk across our southwest border where there is no fence or a fence that is have torn down or you can hop over easily, swim the rio grande, and i.c.e. -- the border patrol, excuse me has stopp

mr. strzok revealed for the first time there could be information that was shared from bruce orr to the f.b.illy basically was responsible for the hillary clinton dossier. there is more that is continuing. it has been slow but more continuing to unravel here. >> the dossier, it was established that bruce orr was giving the f.b.i. information and bruce orr had a connection to all of that. >> number four official in the department of justice. i would certainly say so. the fact that his wife was responsible for the hillary clinton dossier. listen, i'm not saying all these things add up but most realistic self-conscious people would say here is a problem here. >> bill: if that's the case is that the next wrinkle in the story and what you try to get to next? >> could be. the first wrinkle is the lisa page deposition today. we want to see how pervasive the bias was and were there more people. we're talking about two people. were there more that may come out of this equation. this is not dead. this is not -- we aren't trying to create some kind of political stunt here bust get to the facts for the a