mr. ortega, i did not fully understand them, it does not appear to be that he did anything wrong. that is my question. i do not understand it. >> what i would like to do is talk with the commission and then i have some comments i would like to make. >> we have to do the deliberations in open session, this is not calendar for closed session. we might have to move this to another week. >> by wanted all parties here and i understand and i have concerns myself about this but i did not want to do it without a commissioner approval. i don't feel comfortable doing this without all the parties here. i did not know this until tonight. on something so serious, i would rather have it unless the president disagrees. >> we should continue this for another day so we can iron out of the difficulties. >> can we push this to next week? >> we might be going dark. next week is not available. >> is two weeks going

mr. ortega. it is not clear where the gray line is, and i can tell you as a taxi driver, all of the bars south of market are oral sex bars. why don't you put a policemen in each of those and waste yoru ur time. you waste your time on stuff that is not fit to put on paper. the charges that i filed with this mess -- would dismiss. [unintelligible] only to find out a year and a half later. an officer was a member of the sfpd and has moreultiple occ complaints. last but not least, i listened to the statistics on crime and the shortage of investigators. i saw no documents here at the commission. i don't know why that takes place. you don't have someone that takes case -- takes place. you can't look at one lousy statistics. are we stupid? what is taking place here? it is one big course and pony show. i don't want the information i need from the san francisco examiner and the sf weekly. i don't get any information here. when you are supposed to be on top of this, the ones that have been here in the past

mr. ortega? president mazzucco: madam city attorney -- >> if that is the agreed upon outcome, and you want this returned back to the chief, then we can do that. commissioner hammer: we can say that it puts it in a bad light, so do not do it again. that is the kind of talk that it may be. >> a verbal punishments, koran that is clearly in the spectrum. -- verbal punishments, that is clearly in this spectrum. commissioner hammer: we are not going to penalize someone for whom they associate, what, when, or why. a higher standard for our specialists. it shows them that judgment. the oral admonition that this commission be comfortable with. it is that judgment. but does this rise to the level of the commission charged? commissioner hammer: my recommendation would be to have it returned to the chief's level, unless commissionerthis o this level. the chief should have dealt with it and not sought to revoke his entire life in. -- appointment. we return it to the chief's level. >> we need to make sure that

mr. ortega. it is not clear where the gray line is, and i can tell you as a taxi driver, all of the bars south of market are oral sex bars. why don't you put a policemen in each of those and waste yoru ur time. you waste your time on stuff that is not fit to put on paper. the charges that i filed with this mess -- would dismiss. [unintelligible] only to find out a year and a half later. an officer was a member of the sfpd and has