mr. overton mentions our federal statistics. prosecutions are state and local. in new york city, the department of education's -- of investigations sent out 63 investigators to say they could who with names of people were dead, who would move out of state or were felons. they succeeded 61 out of 63 times. there are only two cases in which they failed. one was they were simply directed to another precinct. the other was the woman looked i can't let you vote, you are voting in the name of my son. they demanded the local prosecutor prosecute the election investigators for impersonating people, even though they are on official government agency. if you don't look for these cases, you're not going to find them. i would like to suggest, i don't see professor overton or his allies going to the states and saying that we should address absentee ballot fraud. john talked about a lack of cases. i was actually thinking about wisconsin, where there are cases of people who did not have id, who moved to wisconsin, did not have id, brought it proof of residency, brought a drive

mr. overton, but -- and i mean no disrespect to mr. ton, but there is a good point about the contested election, which was originally stated that mr. won and mr. overton said the bush justice department had seen no corruption within our election systems. the norm coleman and al franken elections, the same bush justice department had actually granted a pardon to the men who had been funding norm coleman's campaign and only because of media scrutiny did they reverse that presidential pardon for the first time in history. i just think that these voting machines we have, the electronic voting, i do not think they have been proved in the system and it has become more corruptible. i think the old robots or a safer method, where you had to actually have paper trails and lockboxes. host: we will get a response. to be it is important clear about what we are talking about. folks are talking about voter impersonation and i am is noting that that significant and it does not swing elections. there are other problems. i think the bush department of j