mr. pagliano. mr. pagliano's attorney asserts that because his client took the fifth before the committee on benghazi he shouldn't be required to take the fifth before this committee. that's not a good faith argument. first and foremost, the select committee's jurisdiction is limited, only relating to the september 11, 2012, terrorist attack in again because -- benghazi. this committee's jurisdiction is broad. questions about these two topics alone are well outside the purview of the select committee's investigation. secretary clinton's emails and mr. pagliano's were subject to these laws. mr. pagliano could explain what he knew or was told about the laws and tell us whether they were considered by him or others in setting up secretary clinton's private email server. his testimony could provide important information informing legislative reform this is committee may want to consider, ensuring this disaster never happens again. this includes reforms based on how he was able to prevent the state departmen

mr. pagliano or mr. combetta should testify before us because they received limited use of immunity for their statements to the fbi. but no lawyers worth their salt are going to are going to let their clients testify before a congressional committee whose chairman just sent another referral for criminal prosecution, no matter how frivolous the accusations are. they just aren't going to do it. pursuing these kinds of blatantly political attacks undermines the integrity of our committee, the congressional process and the constitutional rights that are supposed to protect our citizens against unsubstantiated accusations just like these. so with that, mr. chairman, i yield back and thank you. >> i'll hold the record open for five legislative days for any members who would like to submit a written statement. i'd also ask unanimous consent to allow lamar smith, science space and technology committee to join our committee and would be happy to also entertain a request for uc from the democratic side if they wou

mr. pagliano or mr.batta should testify before us because they received limited use immunity for their statements to the fbi. but no lawyers worth their salt are going to let their clients testify before a congressional committee whose chairman just sent another referral for criminal prosecution. no matter how frivolous the accusations are. they are just not going to do it. pursuing these kinds of blatantly political attacks, undermines the integrity of our committee, the congressional process, and the constitutional rights that are supposed to protect our citizens against unsubstantiated accusations just like these. so with that, mr. chairman, i yield back and i thank you. >> hold the record open for five legislative days for any members who would like to submit a written statement. i ask unanimous consent, allow, lamar smith of science an space technology committee join our committee and would be happy to also entertain a request for uc from the democratic side if they would like to join us as well. wi

mr. pagliano. >> and mr. pagliano was responsible for these servers from the beginning of the creation of these servers? >> he was not responsible for the apple server. he was responsible from the transition of the apple server to what we call the pagliano server, and through the duration of the pagliano server. >> so, the pagliano server was backed up to an external hard drive between may 2009 and june 2011, is that correct? >> my understanding. >> and we had a report from the fbi that states that you would periodically delete these records, maintaining the backup as disc space ran out, is that correct? >> i have no knowledge of how that procedure operated. >> so you weren't responsible for that part? >> correct. >> who was? >> mr. pagliano. so, when the decision was made to set up an independent server, were you involved in that conversation? i know you were talking about this briefly with my colleague from north carolina. >> yes. >> and why was the decision made to not use a commercial service versus doing

mr. pagliano. let me address that. let the record reflect mr. s not present at the witness table. the committee invited him in a ler letter. mr. pagliano informed the committee through his attorneys he might assert his fifth amendment privilege. i authorized the subpoena for mr. pagliano's testimony. on september 8th, 2016, the committee transmitted a subpoena to mr. pagliano's attorney and the subpoena required his presence here today. mr. pagliano is uniquely qualified to provide testimony that will help the committee better understand secretary clinton's use of a private e-mail server during her tenure as secretary -- at the state department among other things. the committee invited him to appear with the expectation his testimony will advance the committee's investigation which seeks further investigation about the setup and management of secretary clinton's account and other technical aspects of the account. i take my responsibility as a committee chairman seriously, especially the decision to issue a subpoena. it's a serious matter. paglian

mr. pagliano. >> and mr. pagliano was responsible for these servers from the beginning of the creation of these servers? >> he was not responsible for the apple server. he was responsible from the transition of the apple server to what we call the pagliano server, and through the duration of the pagliano server. >> so, the pagliano server was backed up to an external hard drive between may 2009 and june 2011, is that correct? >> my understanding. >> and we had a report from the fbi that states that you would periodically delete these records, maintaining the backup as disc space ran out, is that correct? >> i have no knowledge of how that procedure operated. >> so you weren't responsible for that part? >> correct. >> who was? >> mr. pagliano. so, when the decision was made to set up an independent server, were you involved in that conversation? i know you were talking about this briefly with my colleague from north carolina. >> yes. >> and why was the decision made to not use a commercial service versus doing

mr. pagliano's were subject to the laws. mr. pagliano could explain what he knew or was told about those laws. he could tell us whether or not they were considered by him or others in setting up secretary clinton's private e-mail server. his testimony could provide important information informing legislative reforms this committee may want to consider ensuring this disaster never happens again. this includes reforms based on how he's able to grant the state department from locating e-mails. another ke difference, this committee had the benefit of reviewing this during his interview with the fbi. the select committee never did see that, 302. nor were they aware of the thousands of e-mails that traveled over secretary clinton's server when they spoke with mr. pagliano. this committee's questions are broader, more informed any any questions making a comparison unnecessary. further, answering a number of these questions could never subject him to criminal liability. the department of justice confirmed he was granted immunity before h

mr. pagliano. rep. mica: did you ever talk about this acting -- the destruction of a device, did he participate in the destruction of any device? mr. cooper: no. rep. mica: are you aware of what happened to his e-mails? mr. cooper: he serviced the server. rep. mica: you set it up and you confirmed with him. set itper: mr. pagliano up and i was the interface between the users -- rep. mica: would he have had any e-mails on the servers? and you have no idea what would have happened to all of his e-mails? mr. cooper: i certainly do not. rep. mica: you were made aware on two occasions to secret service, i think january 2011, that someone was trying to hack the system. is that correct? mr. cooper: i used that word to describe what was a series of false logins on the server. rep. mica: not once but twice. then you closed down the system briefly to deal with the situation. mr. cooper: correct. rep. mica: when were you first contacted by the fbi? mr. cooper: i believe it was august of last summer. rep. mica: was

mr. pagliano. mr. pagliano's attorney asserts that because his client took the fifth before the committee on benghazi he shouldn't be required to take the fifth before this committee. that's not a good faith argument. first and foremost, the select committee's jurisdiction is limited, only relating to the september 11, 2012, terrorist attack in again because -- benghazi. this committee's jurisdiction is broad. questions about these two topics alone are well outside the purr sthrife select committee's investigation. secretary clinton's emails and mr. pagliano's were subject to these laws. mr. pa fwmbings liano could explain what he knew or was told about the laws and tell us whether they were considered by him or others in setting up secretary clinton's private email server. his testimony could provide important information informing legislative reform this is committee may want to consider, ensuring this disaster never happens again. this includes reforms based on how he was able to prevent the state de

mr. pagliano were running the ship here so why were there no backup images? >> technically mr. pagliano handled that component of the server and i was not managing the backup. >> the fbi report states that the so-called pagliano server was backed up to an external hard drive between may of 2009 and june of 2011, is that your understanding? >> it's only my understanding from reading the same report that you have read. >> the report further states that you would periodically delete the records maintained in the backup as disk space ran out. is that correct? >> i was not the one responsible for those deletions. i refer you to mr. paglia on oh -- mr. pagliano. >> you didn't do those deletions? >> no. >> was there any consideration to get a backup? or external hard drives? >> i believe at one point we upgraded the back up system attached to the server. >> so rather than backing this stuff up you just went ahead and deleted it. >> i was not the one responsible for or doing any deletions. >> the fbi was unable to locate -- ridge here and em of >> the fbi was unable to locate or procure

mr. pagliano built. he continued to maintain the server while secretary clinton was at the state department. then he joined secretary clinton as the appointee in the resource management. by law, schedule c appointees are required to appoint to a presidential appointee. making mr. pagliano's employment arrangement unusual at best. other employees in his bureau later questioned his ability to support a private clients e-mail server given his capacity as a full-time government employee. he left the state department in february 2013, the same month as secretary clinton. he worked at the state department almost four years, the agency has been able to find a handful of e-mails. we have questions about this. mr. pagliano's e-mails are federal records just like secretary clinton's and subject to production and response to information act request. the committee has jurisdiction of both the federal records act and foya. we have oversight investigative and legislative work in this area. the committee subpoenaed mr.

mr. pagliano. now democrats say the reason why he didn't show up according to mr. pagliano's lawyer is that they believe it's a partisan witch-hunt and they believe it serves no legislative purpose and they say the agreement that mr. pagliano reached with the fbi for limited immunity gives him protection in not to show up. one person who did show up was justin cooper, another clinton aide who set up the private e-mail server, he didn't give republicans much except for this, he admitted he didn't have a security clearance when setting up the private e-mail server. as we know, republicans have criticized clinton for passing on classified marked e-mails that were not secure so certa certainly more fodder for republicans as they try to keep the issue alive. >> manu raju on the hill for us, we'll talk money now. the super pac aligned with house speaker paul ryan has taken in a record-breaking haul this election season. the reason, republican donors who normally focus their cash at the top of the ticket are worried about donald trump at the top and want to make sure speak

mr. pagliano's lawyers. mr. cooper who did set up that private -- who also helped mr. up that private e-mail server in 2009. justin cooper, a former bill clinton aide, did testify this morning, to wit, in front of this house oversight committee. here's a little bit of an exchange he had with jason chaffetz, the chairman. >> you had full access to the server the entire time you were working for the clintons? >> yes, i had access to the server. >> and you have no security clearance? >> i have no security clearance. >> now, watch for the house republicans to go after mr mr. pagliano for not showing up at today's hearing. mr. chaffetz saying it was not an option for him not to show up, saying they're going to go through all possible options in order to go after him. democrats say he had an agreement with the fbi, limited immunity agreement that allowed him to not testify today. there's this legal argument going forward and another sign that this fight over the clinton e-mail server isn't going away any time soon. >> manu raju, up on capitol hill, thanks so much for watching

mr. pagliano would do if he came here. i think my colleagues believe they can break the man and take away him asserting his fifth amendment rights when his attorneys have told us in writing, should he be brought here, he will assert his fifth amendment right to every question, so what's the point? what's the point of bringing him here and having him in contempt in front of the camera, except for the camera? because something we could do in closed-door under deposition and it would be on the record. his attorneys have been very clear, in writing if he came before this committee he would continue to assert his right to all questions and they offered to bring him to personally assert his rights in a closed session, but that's not good enough for this committee. that doesn't serve the purpose of what this committee wants. i thought my colleagues were interested in coming to the truth and finding out information that we hadn't already found out, that that is the purpose of the oversight and government reform committee, but it s

mr. pagliano, we can do it to you. and oh, by the way while we're at it, what other rights in the constitution -- because we know not the second amendment, because that's sacred. that's not conditional in any way, shape or form. but the first amendment not so much. this amendment apparently not at all. and we'll get to the rest if it's convenient, if the expedient, if it politically serves our interest. when i took an oath for this job, it wasn't to insist that mr. pagliano compromise his rights at that table and be humiliated. it was to protect the constitutional rights of every american to the best of my ability. and we're about to compromise those rights in this vote and that's wrong and that's a legacy none of us should be proud of. i yield back. mr. chaffetz: i thank the gentleman. oes any other member wish to speak? mrs. maloney. but we'll come to mrs. maloney -- i think we have to go to ms. plaskett for five minutes. ms. plaskett: thank you, mr. chairman. my colleague from south carolina knows that not everybody

mr. pagliano is not going to show up, and he didn't. majority develops fireworks there.ndustrial there close on 200 points a bit of a yo-yo market here. we're told thatting gore risms are playing a part in this up and down market. the price of oil low down significantly. barely holding $45 per barrel. the real stock of the day, though, here's the interest. it's apple only u dow stock that is actually moving higher and we have a couple of reasons on this. ash what's going on? >> don't forget apple said they were going to release first weekend preorder sales date that actually knocked knocked that sn saying it can't be confident because that's something you would like to talk about. however, t-mobile says preorder for apple iphone 7 and 7 plus are the highest in the carrier history so they're doing it for apple also sprint saying that compared to last year that apple preorders are up 375%. so in other words the iphone 7 and 7 plus appear preorder is strong. also on heals of the samsung galaxy note 7 exploding an nightmare that samsung has with that particular phone. >> sto

mr. pagliano would not attend the hearing today.ttee issued a subpoena, it was not optional. when mr. pagliano came to testify for judicial watch, he asserted fifth amendment right 125 times, he still appeared and went through the process. the fact that team clinton has no respect to congress is astonishing and should be a big disappointment to the public. liz: set this up for the viewer, 2100 e-mails were deemed classified after the fact. at the time it was 110, the fbi says 2100. 22 were top secret. longtime clinton aide justin cooper with the clinton foundation, the clinton global initiative, he testified today. he's the one who handle clinton's server in its earliest days, watch. >> do you have -- did you have a security clearance at that time? >> no, i did not have security clearance. >> after you left the white house early in -- when did you leave? >> 2001. >> 2001. did you have security clearance after that? >> no, i did not have security clearance. >> and you had full access to the server the entire time you were working for

mr. pagliano not showing. it was her only e-mail account. and the preservation order, the subpoena happening on the second, third, fourth, ninth. flat river networks is put on notice. they should preserve everything. she does her press conference. the 25th of that month. the clinton lawyers -- sometimes after the 25th it is used to destroy e-mails. how did that happen? i don't know of any more compelling timeline than that. the guys that did it will not testify. he will get an immunity deal with the fbi and the justice department. susan: that is it for our time is something a busy week. they will probably see you again in december. thank you for your time. kelsey with the washington post, and -- after our conversation with representative jim jordan, let's talk about the federation -- federal regulation on spending. what did you hear about what's going to happen based on his 40 member caucus that has been a challenge for the speakers? rachael: he said accepting something is different than liking it. as we would expect. he thinks all the membe

mr. pagliano to appear again before congress just to he hurt is fifth amendment rights one more time. this is absolute abuse of authority. reporter: the panel did hear from justin cooper who used a hammer to smash two of hillary clinton's blackberries. >> it's not to destroy or hide any information at all. i was going out of my way to preserve all of the information on those devices. reporter: cooper had unlimited access to the clinton's server. >> did you have a security clearance at that time? >> no, i did not have a security clearance. reporter: the republican committee chairman served a meana on the f.b.i. demanding the entire f.b.i. clinton investigative files. the files sent to congress are heavily redacted. an f.b.i. official could not point to a single law or constitutional provision to justify the edits. lou: our first guest tonight says witnesses were thumbing their noses as he put it, at congress today. and hillary clinton's complete disregard for handling classified information. congressman ron desantis, a member of the excite he that conducted the hearing today. congressm

mr. pagliano to publicly appear and assert his fifth amendment rights inquiring about the same matters, benghazi committee, transparent effort to publicly harass an humiliate our country for unvarnished political purposes. we are hearing from the only witness who showed up ant wanted to talk, justin cooper, used to work for bill clinton and he just said that he always had access to the server even though he didn't have a security clearance. >> did you have a security clearance at the time? >> no, i did not have security clearance. >> after you left the white house early in -- when did you leave the white house? >> 2001. >> 2001. did you ever have a security clearance at any level after that? >> no, i did not have security clearance. >> so hearing from mr. cooper in the hearing room right behind us is a very big deal because as we have seen for months, a lot of the people who are from the clinton orbit that knew what was going on and knew how things were set up, just will show up and say that they don't want to talk. mr. cooper is talking potentially a lot of new information from this appearance.

mr. pagliano, those responsible for the servers were apparently wiping the servers and deleting things andraises a legitimate question about whether or not obstruction of justice is something that should deserve and will deserve a second look. >> so where do you think we are at this point in this investigation? i mean, things keep dribbling out. her team used a hammer to destroy one of her devices, literally, a hammer. she had 13 devices. obviously she said she was using one. in terms of the obstruction of justice charge, do you think that's what congress is pursuing now? >> i think that's part of it. i think where we are is that we're in a politically charged environment which is always difficult but the public has come, i think, to a point where it's not prepared -- prepared to accept as credible the determination to end the investigation and i have my own legitimate concerns about whether or not this was an investigation designed more not to offend, not to offend bill clinton, not to offend hillary clinton, apparently not to offend the higher authorities in the justice department and wh

mr. pagliano to appear yet again before congress just to assert his 5th amendment rights one more time. this is absolute abuse of authority. >> reporter: the panel did hear from justin cooper, a longtime aide to bill clinton, who used a hammer to smash two of hillary clinton's blackberries. >> no, it's not in any way to destroy or hide any information at all. i was going out of my way to preserve all of the information that was on those devices. >> reporter: cooper had unlimited access to the clinton's server that contained 2,100 classified e-mails and 22 at the top-secret level. >> did you have a security clearance at that time? >> no, i did not have a security clearance. >> reporter: late last night the republican chairman also served a subpoena on the fbi demanding the entire clinton investigative file including witness interviews as well as the backup notes from agents. the files already sent to congress are heavily redacted including some sections that contain unclassified information. an fbi official could not point to a single law or constitutional provision to justify those edit

mr. pagliano for not showing up at today's hearing, wolf. >> this investigation will go on and on and on, i suspect even if hillary clinton is electsed in november, the investigations on the hill will continue to go forward. manu, thanks very much. manu raju reporting from capitol hill. >>> coming up, hillary clinton once again calling on donald trump to release his tax returns. this is new questions arising about trump's charitable contributions. we'll discuss it with a senior adviser to his campaign, jack kingston. you see him standing by live. we'll take a quick break. we'll be right back. farm fresh ingredients, step-by-step recipes, delivered to your door for less than $9 a meal. get $30 off your first delivery blueapron.com/cook. youthat's why you drink ensure. sidelined. with 9 grams of protein and 26 vitamins and minerals. for the strength and energy to get back to doing... ...what you love. ensure. always be you. >>> look at live pictures coming in from clive, iowa. donald trump, getting to address a large crowd. live coverage. stand by in philadelphia. meanwhile, another importa

mr. pagliano to appear yet again before congress just to assert his 5th amendment rights one more time. this is absolute abuse of authority. >> reporter: the panel did hear from justin cooper, a longtime aide to bill clinton, who used a hammer to smash two of hillary clinton's blackberries. >> no, it's not in any way to destroy or hide any information at all. i was going out of my way to preserve all of the information that was on those devices. >> reporter: cooper had unlimited access to the clinton's server that contained 2,100 classified e-mails and 22 at the top-secret level. >> did you have a security clearance at that time? >> no, i did not have a security clearance. >> reporter: late last night the republican chairman also served a subpoena on the fbi demanding the entire clinton investigative file including witness interviews as well as the backup notes from agents. the files already sent to congress are heavily redacted including some sections that contain unclassified information. an fbi official could not point to a single law or constitutional provision to justify those edit

mr. pagliano is coming to congress tomorrow. was the first one to attempt to interview him. he took the fifth during the course of our questioning of him. i hope tomorrow we get some ends as from him. that is at the heart of unlocking understanding where these documents went, how they were deleted, the structure of the system she set up and frankly intentionnalty which she hid this information from congress and the american people. martha: what did you think about what judge napolitano said about the fact that you can't give someone immunity unless you're going to put them before a trial or grand jury. is that your understanding as well, that is part of the process to give someone immunity? martha the only reason you give someone immunity, the only reason you protect someone from prosecution who was at the center of an elaborate scheme to defraud the american people, the only reason you give them immunity you want to learn something from, normally before a grand jury or trial and in this case has been neither. martha: sounds lik

mr. pagliano will continue to assert his 5th amendment rights and what the client to answer any questions to him by the committee. the letter explains that he the bigsubmitted to nazi select committee and he should not be forced to do so again a second time. the letter continues, a subpoena issued by the congressional committee is required by law to serve a valid legislative purses purpose. there is none here. under the present circumstances, again, asserts his constitutional rights in front of video cameras six weeks before the presidential election the trays a naked political agenda and furthers no valid aim. i ask that this full letter sent last night, suggesting be entered into the record. i've nothing else. >> without objection. so ordered. the hearing is adjourned. the committee on oversight and government reform will come to order pursuant to committee role -- committee rule half -- five b. it may postpone further proceedings on any question of approving any measure of that or adopting amendment on which a recording a vote and is authorized to declare a recess at anytime. consider

mr. pagliano who said he approached, quote, cheryl mills in her office and relayed a state department employees' concerns regarding records retention and private server. he remembers mills replying the former secretary of state had done similar things to include colin powell. it goes then on to a page 10, this is what i don't understand. the f.b.i. writes, clinton's immediate aides do include mills, sullivan, and redacted name told the f.b.i. they were unaware of the existence of a private server until after clinton's tenure at state or when it became public knowledge. if you look back at the email from heather bills, if you go back to 2010, this is to justin cooper, ok. mills to cooper. who does not -- he works for clinton. doesn't work for the state department. f.y.i., h.r.c. email coming back. is server ok? keerp writes back, you are funny. we're on the same server. she knew there was a server. when there was a problem with hillary rodham clinton's emails, what did he do? she called the person who has no background in this. who is not a state department employee. no security clearance. and t

mr. pagliano who said he approached quote he approached cheryl mills in her office with concerns regarding federal records and the use of a private server. pagliano remembers for mills replying the secretary of state had done similar things to include colin powell. it it then goes on to page 10 and this is what i'd understand. the fbi writes quite in immediate aid to include afeni sullivan and are attacked did report. they are unaware of the existence of a private server until after clinton's tenure and the reddit became public knowledge but if you look back at the e-mail from heather mills you go back to 2010 listening to justin cooper, mills. he works for clinton. he doesn't work for the state department. fyi the e-mail coming back, is the server okay? cooper writes back, you are funny. we are on the same server. she knew there was a server. when there was a problem with hillary rodham clintons e-mail what did they do? she called the person who had no background in this. not a state -- statement. until the fbi never do knew about it but there's direct evidence that contradicts it. how do

mr. pagliano i.t.n to come back before the committee marshal certained him personally friday i believe it was he may plead gift i want to give hip animal opportunity there is communi immunity in place you would think would sing like birds. >> why climbing fifth if immunity in place? i don't understand i think the question people should be hillary clinton why all people pleading fifth you say nothing to hide the fbi says they are not going to prosecute look in camera encourage tome tell the truth right now you've going to everybody saying i will plead fifth i will plead guilt. >> i am going to keep going. >> people saying you are elected representative doing a great job, by the way. >> thank you. >> they are frustsdz you just said this as my elected representative can't get information you need from gi, will there have to be a change in the processes they gazes? you are entitled to this information. >> we even you know we've had some real liberal folks come to office sie gi can't hold this back it is un

mr. bryan pagliano will be given one more opportunity to come up.he wants to plead the fifth he can. but supposedly he has an immunity. so why isn't he singing the bird and why are all these people engulfed in this pleading the fifth. bill: if he does not show up i believe the law requires you to go to a judge. >> we have to vote in a committee, then on the floor of the house. there are options in front of the committee and the house of representees and we'll look at those options. bill: ago landio ignored the subpoena. if he shows up and takes the fifth, you run into another wall. i'm trying to figure out how you get other side of the wall if that's even possible? >> it starts with first the f.b.i. releasing to the public the unclassified version of their investigation. they put out a portion of it. we are all grateful for that. but it was only a start. why not put out all the information. it's unclassified it's a closed case. why not allow congress to look at the personal identifiable information. bill: why do you think the f.b.i. is not gig you w

mr. comey. congressman, the big question is whywhy were all these people, people like bryan pagliano, the guy who set up the server, why were they granted the broad immunity? >> it gives great rife to suspicion they were given immunity so they couldn't be t have the incentive to testify which is the opposite of the reason you usually grant immunity. david: right. >> so it is very concerning to us that people who could have been required to testify, other reasons could have been prosecuted, were all granted immunity. then at end of the day they say we'll not prosecute secretary clinton either. and i have got to tell you that it just began to smell even more than it did before. you recall how this came down. you have a year-long investigation and then you have suddenly the attorney general meeting on the tarmac with former president bill clinton. david: yeah. >> a few days later she says oops, i shouldn't have done that. because i've done that i will recuse myself from consideration. david: it just looked awful. >> fbi director stepping in saying i will take responsibility. david: if we get back to

pagliano server and browsed e-mail and folders of that person's account. were you aware of that sfwlaech -- breach? that is a little different than what was just stated to mr. walker. >> i was not aware of that breach until i read in the the same account where you read it. >> did it cause you concern? >> once i read it? sure. >> in the spring of 2013, which would have been approximate to this same thing, according to the fbi, sidney blumenthal's aol account was hacked by goosifer and mrs. clinton's e-mail exchange with mr. blumenthal was made public. were you aware of that breach? >> i was aware of that. >> what was your response to these breaches? >> at that point in time i was transitioning out of any role or responsibility with the server as various teams were selecting ultimately flat river network to take over the e-mail services and i don't know that i had any sort of direct response. >> well, did you believe that there was sensitive information? certainly it would qualify as very private, being the position that mrs. clinton held. >> certainly private information, concern that you would have naturally concern that information was properly backed up

mr. pagliano, i was aware the fully meeting our needs and was not expandible to meet potential future needs of other staff in president clinton's office joining the server. it also did not have a robust solution to support blackberry usage. it is very hard for me to even remember what the technology around blackberry was then and how they functioned. there were more progressive ways to use a blackberry. mr. pagliano had the expertise to set up a server that had a proper blackberry interface with it, and that was something that was desired by president clinton's team. and so, over a period of time, as brian decommissioned those servers from the campaign, we were able to purchase them from the campaign. he then took time to set them up on his time, either in the campaign offices or his home. i'm not sure of the location. and then delivered them to chappaqua, i believe in around march of 2009, when i physically helped him move them into the space where they were going to reside. rep. cummings: so, secretary clinton began using that new server for e-mail around march 2009, is that accurate? chi