as an elected official mr panetta says a mune from prosecution however he has waived this right and is prepared to stand trial local historians question put to sources and back the official version of events. on the one hand there were civilians who wanted self-determination on the other hand there was military might in my assessment the events of january nine hundred ninety one were an attempt to solve a problem with the use of force it claimed innocent lives. but should question in history bring with it a criminal investigation. i don't think that this is a reason for a person to be prosecuted it's his personal opinion the authorities have overreacted but it's up to the lawyers to decide it's a provocation but it's based on certain logic lithuanian authorities did make attempts to provoke the soviet authorities and compel them to start solving the lithuanian issue. should he be found guilty by the courts in his native lithuania and gladys polanski's says he will appeal to the european court of human rights an appeal he's convinced would be carried out from a jail cell history may not

mr. panetta to the commission you're talking about. sometimes things that are out in the open we pay a lot -- we pay lessttention to. i think what is happening in egypt has enormous ramifications in terms of the war on terror. i would be interested to get any of your thoughts on that situation. egypt has broader implications. held shape are other priorities? >> i will ask leon to add to that. there is a stark contrast between pakistan and egypt. of course, pakistan is a sovereign nation which has certain interest at heart. sometimes our interest, belize, and values converge and sometimes they do not. with respect to what is going on in egypt, this is an yvette. there are potentially gre opportunities to come up with a counter-narrative to al qaeda and its franchisees and what it is espousing. >> i do not think there is any question that this provides a tremendous opportunity to try to move egypt in the right direction. i think the administration and the world for that matter hopes that will be the case. the opportunity is there. the op

mr. panetta in particular; you go there very often. i think we ought to really understand where we are with this country. and i won't go into the, you know, failings of a government, but i think there's every reason to believe that concern is rising over what the future is going to be. >> madame chairman, this is one of the most complicated relationships that i've seen in a long time in this town. on the one hand, obviously we are involved at targeting the leadership of al qaeda there in the fata. and we do get the cooperation of the pakistanis in that effort in trying to target those individuals that concern us and that threaten this country, and threaten their country as well. in addition to that, you know, we have gotten their cooperation on a military basis, being able to go into places like south waziristan and have a military presence there, moving some troops from the indian border for the purposes of doing that. and that has been appreciated as well. at the same time, obviously they look at issues related to their national inte

mr. panetta and mr. leiter, i'd like to turn to pakistan.i've become more and more concerned as the isi walks beside the street, the failure of the country to turnover to a meeting, one operator, one meter from mumbai attack to india, but what is to go into north waziristan. the development of the safe harbor, the concentration of a number of terrorist groups in that safe harbor, the fact that pakistan has major flood issues and that is chosen to build another nuclear weapon, which to sunlight think seems a very bad choice at this time. so i'd like to have comments from both of you and mr. panetta in particular, you go there very often. they think we ought to really understand where we are with this country. and i won't go into the failings of the government, but i think there's every reason to believe that concern is rising over what the future is going to be. >> madam chair, this of the most complicated relationships that i've seen in a long time in this town. on the one hand, obviously we are above the target of the leadership qaeda there

mr. panetta to the commission you're talking about. sometimes things that are out in the open we pay a lot -- we pay lessttention to. i think what is happening in egypt has enormous ramifications in terms of the war on terror. i would be interested to get any of your thoughts on that situation. egypt has broader implications. held shape are other priorities? >> i will ask leon to add to that. there is a stark contrast between pakistan and egypt. of course, pakistan is a sovereign nation which has certain interest at heart. sometimes our interest, belize, and values converge and sometimes they do not. with respect to what is going on in egypt, this is an yvette. there are potentially great opportunities to come up with a counter-narrative to al qaeda and its franchisees and what it is espousing. >> i do not think there is any question that this provides a tremendous opportunity to try to move egypt in the right direction. i think the administration and the world for that matter hopes that will be the case. the opportunity is there. the

mr. panetta to the commission you're talking about. sometimes things that are out in the open we pay a lot -- we pay less attention to. i think what is happening in egypt has enormous ramifications in terms of the war on terror. i would be interested to get any of your thoughts on that situation. egypt has broader implications. held shape are other priorities? >> i will ask leon to add to that. there is a stark contrast between pakistan and egypt. of course, pakistan is a sovereign nation which has certain interest at heart. sometimes our interest, belize, and values converge and sometimes they do not. with respect to what is going on in egypt, this is an yvette. there are potentially great opportunities to come up with a counter-narrative to al qaeda and its franchisees and what it is espousing. >> i do not think there is any question that this provides a tremendous opportunity to try to move egypt in the right direction. i think the administration and the world for that matter hopes that will be the case. the opportunity is there. th

mr. panetta, you mentioned trying to work through these issues. i just wonder how effective a position that is. you can -- >> sure. you know, madam chairwoman, you know, because we are involved in obviously very important efforts to deal with an enemy that threatens this country and we're doing it in their nation, in the fattah and the tribal areas, it does require that we have to go out of our way to do everything possible to get their cooperation and for that reason i spend an awful lot of time talking with my counterpart, both in pakistan and here as well, to try to see if we can focus on some common issues. we have some common areas that we can work on. we work with them, we work with our afghan counterparts as well to try to develop a coordinated approach to dealing with this. at the same time there are issues that we have with regards to how they operate, the ties they have to certain groups that concern us, that we try to work through in these discussions. i have to be, you know, part director of the c.i.a. and part diplomat in order to get

mr. panetta, you wanted to respond. >> if i could just add to that. since we have been watching this, 2007 looking at social networks irresponsibility because of the tremendous growth in information. just to give you an idea, 600 million facebook accounts out there. something like 190 million twitter accounts. 35,000 hours of youtube that is upgraded every day. so there is a massive amount of data out there. the real challenges out to be able to a, you know, going through the diversity of languages, different sites that are out there, how do we look at the relevant web sites to be able to draw from them the kind of information that will help us? this involves a tremendous amount of analysis. the open source center has done tremendous work at trying to monitor these areas. the fact that you are on a website or social network is not necessarily predictive of what will take place. having said that, it's really important for us to monitor these areas and tried to get the best sense of what networks and web sites are having the largest impact. >> thank you

mr. ruppersberger, when you have leon panetta saying that is likely mubarak is stepping down and then itoes not in fact step down, what does that signal to the public about what washington knows? guest: as far as confidence, i have great confidence in our intelligence community. we have dedicated men and women throughout the world collecting information and analyzing information. it showed that you just cannot predict what is in someone's mind. you look at what happened. the issue started when a person set himself on fire in tunisia. that started an uprising. the dictator of tunisia, who everyone thought would come down strong of any type of protest ended up leaving. you have the situation with the mubarak and it shows there's no crystal ball. we're looking for the trends and information. end-game is to protect our country from globalized threats. host: we will be opening our phone lines. you can also contact us by twitter and e-mail. we welcome your comments or questions. we hope you had an opportunity to see all or part of the hearings before the committee yesterday where they heard fr

mr. ruppersberger, when you have leon panetta saying that is likely mubarak is stepping down and then it turns out that he does not in fact step down, what does that signal to the public about what washington knows? guest: as far as confidence, i have great confidence in our intelligence community. we have dedicated men and women throughout the world collecting information and analyzing information. it showed that you just cannot predict what is in someone's mind. you look at what happened. the issue started when a person set himself on fire in tunisia. that started an uprising. the dictator of tunisia, who everyone thought would come down strong of any type of protest ended up leaving. you have the situation with the mubarak and it shows there's no crystal ball. we're looking for the trends and information. end-game is to protect our country from globalized threats. host: we will be opening our phone lines. you can also contact us by twitter and e-mail. we welcome your comments or questions. we hope you had an opportunity to see all or part of the hearings before the committee yesterday

mr. ruppersberger, when you have leon panetta saying that is likely mubarak is stepping down and then ite does not in fact step down, what does that signal to the public about what washington knows? guest: as far as confidence, i have great confidence in our intelligence community. we have dedicated men and women throughout the world collecting information and analyzing information. it showed that you just cannot predict what is in someone's mind. you look at what happened. the issue started when a person set himself on fire in tunisia. that started an uprising. the dictator of tunisia, who everyone thought would come down strong of any type of protest ended up leaving. you have the situation with the mubarak and it shows there's no crystal ball. we're looking for the trends and information. end-game is to protect our country from globalized threats. host: we will be opening our phone lines. you can also contact us by twitter and e-mail. we welcome your comments or questions. we hope you had an opportunity to see all or part of the hearings before the committee yesterday where they heard

and so i'd like to ask general clapper, director panetta and i'll give mr. goldberg -- since he's from the state, the department of state an opportunity to address that. do you think that's a possibility that would -- or could create some problem with some of our countries that -- some of these countries that own this debt? >> well, it is a great problem for us. that's clear. and i think the debt does pose a potential threat to our national security. and i think, you know, the allusion -- the relationship we have with -- the financial relationship we have with china is illustrative of that. and so i think we recognize in the intelligence community that we're going to have to play our part in a programmic and resource sense to help reduce that debt, but i agree with chairman mullen and secretary clinton that it does pose a huge problem for us. and we have to deal with it in my view. >> congressman, i guess i would speak to that more of a former director of the office of management and budget and a former chairman of the house budget committee that -- that thr

mr. ruppersberger, when you have leon panetta saying that is likely mubarak is stepping down and then it turns out that he does not in fact step down, what does that signal to the public about what washington knows? guest: as far as confidence, i have great confidence in our intelligence community. we have dedicated men and women throughout the world collecting information and analyzing information. it showed that you just cannot predict what is in someone's mind. you look at what happened. the issue started when a person set himself on fire in tunisia. that started an uprising. the dictator of tunisia, who everyone thought would come down strong of any type of protest ended up leaving. you have the situation with the mubarak and it shows there's no crystal ball. we're looking for the trends and information. end-game is to protect our country from globalized threats. host: we will be opening our phone lines. you can also contact us by twitter and e-mail. we welcome your comments or questions. we hope you had an opportunity to see all or part of the hearings before the committee yesterday