mr. panetta for a brief few months. and he is of course one of our most thoughtful and wisest leaders on national security. so i think when he says things that we ought to listen. on the other hand instead of, i think, it is a real tendency to pile on these comments and others. and what we have to do is kind of look forward and say, okay, what are we going to do going forward? we know we have this really bad threat in its current manifestation is called isis. but the same extremist threat we've known about since before 9/11. so how are we going to deal with this in a meaningful way so we don't keep getting surprised by new mutations. >> here's what i'm asking, this isn't to get you to be political, which you aren't. but when i listen to leon panetta, he sounds scared. he sounds scared whether or not we have somebody in the white house who will do the things need to keep us safe. it seems like he's saying this is why i wrote the book, because i'm trying to pressure him to act on what i, leon panetta, believe to be his co

mr. panetta. >> he was there to hammer obama. s a clinton flunky. >> right. >> former chief of staff. >> and a that that that nip manipulative -- >> not only leon panetta that's troubled by america's receding power in the world. all the polls say every day americans are concerned as well and have little confidence that barack obama can protect them in an effective way. that's the crux of this matter. protecting you. there is no way on this earth that isis savages should be terrorizing the middle east and threatening the entire world. those thugs should have been dealt with a long time ago. the fact that they are allowed to run wild is disturbing in the extreme. and it's not just barack obama's fault. we're living in a cowardly world where villains know they can commit atrocities, violate international law and general did i do whatever they want without lawful nations confronting them. the fact that turkey is allowing isis to murder civilians on their border says it all. the turks should be ashamed. add to that, the lack of america

mr. panetta is setting himself up as mr. washington's gray eminence. weather vain for power, mr. panetta follows the winds of change. and now with an exhausted president who has all but given up, he disparages everyone except hillary, who was a presumed presidential candidate for 2016. her buddy, mr. panetta, is not retiring from the field, just clearing it for the next. >> wrigley field is getting a $575 million facelift. commissioner bud selig and chicago mayor rahm emanuel attending today's official groundbreaking ceremony for the field renovation project at the homes of the chicago cubs. the first phase will add new bleachers and seven outfield signs and, yes, eric, the ivy will stay. wrigley field was built in 1914 and it is the second oldest field in the majors. officials say the goal is to provide upgraded facilities for fans and players while preserving the storied charm of that stadium. >>> well, an indiana man find the secret to growing some huge pumpkins. his first pumpkin weighed in at 165 pounds. but this year the smallest one he has is 80

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mr. panetta, do you believe those men? >> i have no reason not to believe them. >> they wouldn't tell me the name of the cia officer who wouldn't order them to help the ambassador and the other americans under fire. they said they will tell congress when congress resumes hearings on benghazi. isn't that very disturbing? >> i think -- if, in fact, there was a 30-minute delay, i think that it is important for the congressional committee to look into that. >> to find out why, correct? >> and to determine what happened. >> the other thing i want to know about is susan rice going out telling the world, seven days after the attack, that it was motivated by a spontaneous demonstration off an anti-muslim story. we don't have to listen to the soundbyte, again, we all know it. on the night of the attack, you told president obama you believed it was not a spontaneous attack, it was a terror attack. is that correct? >> general dempsey and i were over talking to the president when we got word about what was happening, and when i told t

mr. panetta is talking about. the president when he was running for re-election, jen, went out there and had a debate with mitt romney in which mitt romney said i think you agree with me that we should have had a status of forces agreement that would have left these troops in iraq. the president denied it. the president didn't say, you're right, i did want one. but maliki and so on and so forth. let me play the exchange for you. >> with regards to iraq, you and i agreed, i believe, that there should have been a status of forces agreement. >> i didn't. >> oh, you didn't agree to a status of forces agreement? >> no, what i would not have done is left 10,000 troops in iraq that would tie us down. that certainly would not help us in the middle east. >> there it is. >> well, megyn, the facts are that the secretary of state, the secretary of defense at the time, many other members of the administration would not have been negotiating with the government of iraq about having a presence there if it wasn't supported by the

mr. panetta last week raised a host of new questions about the benghazi attacks. r own bill o'reilly asked leon panetta about allegations from cia contractors who were in benghazi on the night in question who say that their attempts to rescue our ambassador and others at the consulate were delayed by order. and that americans died as a result. >> mr. panetta, do you believe those men? >> i have no reason not to believe them. i think if in fact there was a 30-minute delay, i think that it is important for the congressional committee to look into that and find out determine what happened. >> those contractors join me tonight. former army ranger, chris, and john retired marine sergeant both in benghazi on september 11, 2012. thanks so much for being here. chris, let me start with you and get your reaction to the fact the benghazi committee is now demanding to hear directly from leon panetta who appears to be contradicting his boss and the administration that has previously cast doubt on your accounts. >> yeah. it validates what we said. so i'm happy for that. but it a

mr. panetta is saying about his own former boss, this is a democrat panetta talking about the president forhom he worked, "president obama relies on the logic of a law professor rather than the passion of a leader. he avoids the battle, complains and misses opportunities." ouch. do we have someone in the white house right now who is capable of winning this fight? >> no, we don't. and that's one of the points that "the wall street journal" made especially as obama entered his second term is that he had surrounded himself with what we called a flock of doves. you used to have people like david petraeus and mr. panetta and robert gates surrounding the president. now you have susan rice, chuck hagel, john kerry. you don't really have a forceful advocate in the white house for telling the president, look, this is a fight that we have to win. this is a fight that's going to define your legacy. and you cannot afford, sir, to accept the islamic state as a permanent or long-term reality in the middle east because the problem militarily, strategically, ied logically, is going to be worse for us if we

mr. panetta sad, dishonorable, small and petty.is the same way the left reacted to the scathing tell-all books about republican presidents. jay christian adams a former justice department attorney. just to start with mr. burton, he thinks it's sad and dishonorable and petty. but when scott mcclel lan came out with a book about what happened with the iraq war and george w. bush, bill burton was one of the first to try to use it in the presidential race between then-senator obama and john mccain saying on the day after the former white house press secretary meaning mcclellan concede the to use propaganda to take us to war and took a shot at mccain. he doesn't seem to think that it's fair game now. >> well, this is how it works, megyn, the white house should be listening to leon panetta, not attacking him. and that's because we see this pattern. whenever a republican has a traitor like scott mcclellan or davis igless i can't say who used to be at the justice department, they're raised to hero status, megyn. they're feted in the media.

hillary clinton, and former defense secretary leon panetta publicly aired grieve ans with president obama. new book worthy fights criticizing mr. obama's decisions on foreign policy and he said yesterday in the interview with yahoo, leon panetta did said that the president harmed credibility by drawing a red line against syria use of chemical weapons and failing to back it up with military force when syria crossed that line in 2012, it was damaging he told yahoo news. says he sent a mixed message not only to the syrians but to the world and that is something you do not want to establish in the world. an issue with regard to the credibility of the united states to stand by what we say we're going to do. what are your thoughts on this? leon panetta's new book, worthy fight is out. he's doing a rubied of interviews with many of the different networks. cnn, fox. he talked to bill o'reilly as well. bill o'reilly trying to press him on whether president obama is an effective leader or not. we can show you a little bit of that coming up here on the "washington journal" but want to get your thoughts this morning. is it appropriate for

mr. panetta, in your book you talked about how the dysfunction that is now set in in washington, you have all talked, also talked about how control has been so centralized in the white house that cabinet officers, including the secretary of defense sometimes were told not to deal with congress, for example, that all of those things would be handled in the white house. what has gone wrong here in this administration? i mean, for one thing they can't seem to catch a break here, and is it their fault this is it just what has happened? or what is the problem? >> bob, there are, having been in this town close to 50 years, you know, i have seen washington at its best and washington at its worse and right now i think it is washington at its worse because of the gridlock and the stalemate that is involved in this town. a lot of things have contributed to it. but i worry about that and that's really one of the reasons that in the book i try to identify my concerns, because we are looking, regardless of what happens at this election, probably two and a half more years of stal stalemate, if that hap

mr. panetta and also mr. eople who have written books who are insiders in this administration, is the president has gotten some great advice, but he's made the wrong decisions and now panetta spins it as we're sending out mixed messages. he was also asked by mr. o'reilley, and apparently they've been friends for a number of years even though it was a really tough interview, he worked for a couple of different presidents. who is the better leader. listen to this. >> who is the better leader, bill clinton or barak obama? >> they're both bright, they're both able. they both want to do what's right for the country. i think the difference is that bill clinton likes politics, likes the engagement in politics. barak obama does not like that process of engaging in politics. it hurts him in terms of getting things done. this country cannot stand another 2 1/2 years of stalemate. >> i get the sense why he wrote the book. on top of that, leon panetta said, i would have gotten a deal out of iraq and not taken the troops o

mr. panetta comes to us with a new memoir, "worthy fights." in it he examined his life and political legacy with a focus on his time as secretary of defense. his unwavering sense of morality and belief in the exhausting work of public service radiates off of every page. as david ignatius writes in the "washington post," panetta comes across in his book is a man who has never shirked the fight he thought was right. tonight he will be in conversation with my gallant chief white house correspondent for politico and the man behind politico's playbook. my guess is "the new york times" famously pegged him the man the white house wakes up to. he is written for publications including ty the "washington post" and "the new york times." as bob woodward declared you don't have to do anything else. just read mike allen. they will be in what promises to be a lively conversation for roughly 40 minutes. afterwards we will invite you to join in with questions. ladies and gentlemen, please help me welcome leon panetta and mike allen. [applause] [applause] >> th

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mr. panetta is right and we're all paying the price. think of what we did in mogadishu and how this spiraled out of control, trying to do good and then just cascaded on us. do you think there's any risk of something like that repeating, if there's not enough adequate backup out of the white house and out of authorities to do what has to be done? >> well, i don't think we have enough force on the ground, and i really concerned more about it now. we have now got helicopters flight over there. >>> , apaches, great aircraft, but that's putting our aircraft and this pilots in great jeopardy. we could have another situation where helicopters are shot done because they're easier to shoot down than fighter jets. >> what are your thoughts -- isis has made a great deal of raising its flag over captured positions in syria, despite ongoing airstrikes that appear at least not have hit them at these locales. what does that mean? have to be boots on the ground, and they're not american boots, we say. going to have to be somebody's boots, right? >> wel

mr. panetta this coming tuesday. don't miss that that will be a very big interview., the ebola virus will eventually be controlled. i believe that but right now action is needed to make sure americans are protected. so let's get on it mr. president. and that's the memo. now for the top story tonight. reaction, joining us from washington dr. mary schmidt who specializes in infectious diseases and a medical doctor who teaches at john hop medical university. where am i going wrong here dr. kerry. >> i think it sounds logical but in the context of other infections and threats, more people die of a common cold in the united states, you know, flu virus mutates from china, we don't stop flights from china. it's reasonable to limit flights from west africa. i mean, if you are going to pick up a rug from your friend larry in nigeria, this is not a good year to do it. we should only have essential personnel. i worry if we have too dramatic of a limitation we won't get the humanitarian folks in and out. >> that's not going to happen because most of the humanitarian aid has gone

mr. panetta causing a sensation across the country but what does the white house think?nry will tell us. >> today we are deeply saddened by the death of of

mr. panetta, is he seems scared to me, dana. he seems genuinely worried. he seems to be trying to telegraph to us that he is very concerned about the leadership of the man sitting in the oval office right now, that he thinks he's a good guy, he thinks he's smart, that he has courage, but that he's very concerned about whether he'll use any of that to protect the country. >> i think what he's trying to do, panetta in particular, is a saying you need a better policy and strategy. panetta and gate's books have talked about policy -- not the policy folks but from the political side of things and the communication side of things. easy to try to point fingers at valerie jarrett or ben rose, but the truth is to me that comes from the top. this is a problem that president obama and his chief of staff mcdonough needs to fix. i don't know where secretary hagel and kerry stand on this, but you hear rumblings of the concern. let's have a strategy. two weeks before he addressed the nation, he says we don't have a strategy. a month before that, he says it's jv. you can

mr. panetta comes at a crucial time of the white house. ger talked with panetta today. >> would isis be as much of a threat today had we left some force behind? >> i do think that if we had had a presence there, it might not have created the kind of vacuum that we saw develop in iraq. >> leon panetta blames that vacuum on former iraqi prime minister nuri al maliki and a passive white house. you describe a white house that, and this is your word, that frustrated you, that didn't use the leverage and that is your word too, leverage that we had in the united states to try and keep a force in iraq. >> what i'm saying is that maliki was the kind of leader that you had to constantly put pressure on to direct him in the right direction. we had with iraq made a commitment with regards to military assistance, f-16 fighter planes, other types of military aid that i think if we had said, look, you know, if you're not going to give us the agreement that we need to maintain our force, we may not provide this kind of assistance. >> you wrote the presiden

mr. panetta came out and said that the president did a great job, a wonderful job, would any of the peopleork be talking about this book that he wants to sell? controversy sells more books. people are talking about it. so look at the motive here, the timing of these comments. is this really about selling more books? >> all right, now to the next topic. scandal or sex crime? oscar winner jennifer lawrence is breaking her silence about the nude photos that a hacker stole from her and posted online in august. in a "vanity fair" interview, she explains why she had nude photos of herself, and she didn't hide. quote, i was in a loving, healthy, great relationship for four years, it was long distance, and either your boyfriend is going to look at porn, or he's going to look at you. she goes on, quote, it is not a scandal, it is not a sex crime. it is a sexual violation. it's disgusting. the law needs to be changed and we need to change. that's why these websites are responsible. lawrence and several other actresses have threatened to sue google for violating privacy, for failing to remove the pho

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mr. panetta is going to come up against me, and i've known him for many years.i have lots and lots of questions for him. >> all right. what do you make of that quote that i just read about syria? there was so much discussion back then that the president was wishy washy? >> most foreign policy people say if you are going to make a statement as president of the united states that you'll do something, you better do it. wronk that's a controversial thing that panetta is saying. i think the president is conducting himself differently than past presidents have in this country, and i think everybody is just pointing that out. >> well, what does it say about the credibility now based on the situation that we find ourselves in that part of the world currently with isis and khorozan and terrorism alive and well? >> it says that the obama foreign policy disengagement and being one of the pack has failed, but, again, everybody knows that now. it hasn't made the country stronger. now the president is on the defensive. he is trying to defend all the decisions that he made tha

mr. panetta's criticism of the president?ry panetta's book yet but i believe we need to move faster in global events as a general proposition and we have not been doing that last few years. first perked up, why hasn't this shop in india or china yet? >> i don't know the answer to that. it would be interesting to do the forensics. potentially, it has shown up in china and india but it is not publicized. >> i look at the emotion out there. what would be your counsel to to listeners and our viewers get a grip on what our institutions will do about ebola? >> i think we need to recognize that it is not an airborne disease. you cannot catch it across an air gap. as we say in greek, let's slow down on the personal risk point. the second and more important point is that when our institutions kick into high gear and i think they will over the coming months, we have to be ine to have confidence decisions they make in terms of the isolation. that is the bottom line. >> "the accidental admiral" looking at rallies and stocks in our twitte

"washington post" reports the cia took issue with the contents of former director leon panetta's memoir, and that mr. bennet allowed his publisher to start editing the book before receiving final approval from the agency. book publisher simon & schuster has agreed on a multiyear deal with amazon over the pricing and profit margins of its books. "the new york times" reports that simon & schuster with some limited exceptions will control pricing. and former "washington post" executive editor ben bradlee died on tuesday at the age of 93. he oversaw the newspaper's watergate coverage and was the author of the memoir, a good life, published in 1995. stay up-to-date on news about the publishing world i like us on facebook at facebook.com/booktv. or follow us on twitter at booktv. you can visit our website, tv.org and click on news about books. >> in one sense the book is a sports ministry. i love sports. my first two jobs out of school i was the pr guy for the vanderbilt basketball team and the tampa bay baseball the -- teen. i didn't intend this book to be something that deals sports fans. he doesn't def

mr. panetta agreed to take out some of what the cia objected to but said that the tone and the story were not changed. >> that is from his book and you can expect more when he starts his rounds of interviews. in north carolina, what do you make of that senate race? -- we have kay hagan who according to the tillis commercials is in the pocket of the big pharmaceuticals and the medical insurance industries, she is a corporate puppet and her commercial say you can vote for tillis but he is the koch brothers. ands a mudslinging contest it is extraordinary. we don't know, i guess we will just not vote. host: william in kentucky, democratic caller, what is it like? caller: let me start off by year coalt i am a 30 miner. i worked 30 years underground, and first of all those people that mitch mcconnell stands around in his commercials, those people are not all minors. you just don't get in the coal mines looking like that. something else i was wondering allison's parking spaces, does mitch even have a parking space in kentucky? someone is thing, going around taking down allison signs as fast as y

mr. panetta was talking about. edible actually. >> hillary clinton it seems obvious. 2016 to come out and you criticize the president. you want to distance yourself. for leon panetta, he's not running for president. >> he's not running for president but there's always politics and there's also a place in history. listen, i wanted to do something that would have been appropriate for this country and it wasn't done and people want to be heard on that. >> whatever his motivation, i appreciate the honesty. i hope that it helps change the dialogue and make the impactful decision that make us more secure as a country and keep in mind also that he does have a warm relationship with the clintons. >> let us know your thoughts. go to our facebook page. do you think it's appropriate for these people to write books or should they be more loyal and keep their mouth shot? >> all right. thank you. >>> now to headlines. could september 11th have been prevented? bombshell new court documents reveal at least three eyewitnesses spotte

mr. o'reilly and leon panetta. your thoughts on why now? why the book now? and why the revelations now?ould say why not while he bass secreta was secretary of defense. >> that's a good question. a lot of people are asking that question. i know leon very well. bill and i debated at the panetta institute in the interest of full disclosure. i think he felt like there was something he wanted to write and he let it go. i don't think it's that much more complicated than that. >> you don't think he's auditioning for a spot in the hillary clinton administration? >> i really don't think that he's angling to get back into the federal government in 2017. i just don't believe that that's plausible. >> james, you're probably the best person to ask this question. a lot of people talk about the divide, the rift between the obamas and the clintons. it's real, isn't it? >> well, i mean, first of all, let me start out and say politics is a highly competitive thing. president obama made her secretary. i don't know if, you know, there's exactly a rift here. they're two different people with two different s

president's battle plan in the middle east takes a major hit as former defense secretary leon panetta suggests that mrons are directly to blame for the chaos we are seeing today. welcome to "the kelly file" everyone. i'm megyn kelly. it was just weeks ago that when questioned about the vacuum left in iraq after all u.s. troops left, president obama declared that removing the troops wasn't his decision. >> what i just find interesting is the degree to which this issue keeps oncoming up as if this was my decision. so let's just be

mr. panetta allowed his publisher to start editing the book before receiving final approval from the agency. book publishers simon and schuster has agreed on a multi-year deal with amazon of the pricing and profit margins of its books. the new york times reports that simon and schuster, with some limited exceptions , will control the-book pricing. bin bradley died at the age of 93. he oversaw the watergate coverage and author of the mark a good life published in 1995. stay up-to-date on news about the publishing world by electing s on facebook at facebook.com/booktv or follow us on twitter @booktv. you can also visit our website, booktv.org, and click on news about books. >> book tv live coverage of the 2014 texas book festival continues with columnist and television commentator charles blow. he will be speaking about his new memoir, "fire shut up in my bones". [inaudible conversations] [inaudible conversations] >> so let me just start and then move on very quickly. so thank you very much for joining yes at the 19th annual texas book festival. please make sure that your cell phones are off.

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he's written a new book "worthy fights" and joining me now is leon panetta. mr. secretary, welcome.r being here. >> nice to be with you, kelly. >> you have generated plenty of headlines and press for the book. but your motive here really seems to be not so much about the sales but the two and a half years of president obama's term which you think could make or break his presidency. what do you think he needs to do right now to address the threat of terror in the mist and how urgent is the situation as you see it? >> on the issue of confronting isis and the threat of terrorism that we're facing in that part of the world, i think the president is taking the right steps. we are going to war against isis. we've deployed forces there to try to develop and train the iraqi security forces. we've developed a very strong coalition that can work with us in that effort. we're doing air strikes. i think it's very important for the president to make this a comprehensive effort against terrorism because i see this as part of a long continuum that goes back to 9/11 and that isis just represents an

when all is said and done, panetta is not very complimentary of mr. obama's defense strategy. ind of surprises me. >> right. throughout the book a copy of which i obtained, panetta describes a white house that's insular, controlling, doesn't often listen to its top cabinet official and sometimes puts politics over policy. the iraq example is a great one because the white house even to this day will tell you that they couldn't leave troops in iraq because the iraqis couldn't come to an agreement because the iraqis didn't want it because the bush administration made an agreement to pull u.s. troops out of iraq. but what panetta is saying very clearly is that he wanted and advocated and pushed for a deal to keep troops in iraq, he thought it was necessary. other top national security officials have said the same thing but the white house wanted to get rid of the iraq problem they viewed it as something bush created. they didn't want to leave troop there is and they created a situation whereby a deal would have been impossible. that's been reported. that's often what a lot of peopl

mr. president." he assembled people like robert gates, panetta, hillary clinton, because he wanted people with strongong views and also people who knew how to lead. i'm not shocked to read that secretary panetta, who has had a stellar career in washington, d.c., had some disagreements in terms of syria. it looks as though he agreed with secretary clinton on that, that we should have armed the rebels sooner. the president is more deliberate. you know, he's not the kind of person that would l like to shoot and think about it. he's someone who prepares himself for these conversations and questions those in the room with him around the table, get the best of their opinions and then he acts in a very decisive manner. that's his style. we can't change his style. nor can you change my style. i think i'm cool. >> you are cool. >> you are cool. no doubt about that. >> i can't change that. but this might be how cool looks. but in his case i sort of like a leader that has no problem sitting around a table with people who might disagree with him and at the end of the day when it comes to isis fighting in the mid