i think one thing that mr. panseand others like him need to bring into this discussion is, you know, the climate of the time. you know, when we talk about the gidans uprising the ship yard unions in 1982, we should go back and remember the spring of the '60's and the uprising in budapest, hungary, 1960's. the united states stood up and supported those protesting. the outcome was the soviet union tax rolling into town. what allowed for the movement to flourish and become this big gigantic movement that led to the fall of communism was the climate of the moment. the other important thing, also is yes, mr. reagan did say that. he did call for ending the evil empires. but at the same time, we were engaged with the soviet union, we have been engaged with them since the second world war. that allowed us to say those things and sit at a time with them at the same time and discuss other issues as two superpowers would do. he saw a moment, mr. reagan. and moscow was having a difficult time coming up with leaders. they had lea