mr. pastrish i explained he didn't receive the notice in the mail. but for that to be a fatal error to close down a small business is absurd. to this day, he's still not open. this process has essentially bankrupt him. all we're requesting is for the commissioners to rule the settlement agreement as being void and any amounts due or alleged to be due and owing for unpaid wages to -- especially without any further evidence. for that number to be zero. thank you. >> counselor? >> yes. >> when did you become counsel for the permit holder? >> i was first retained on july 29th, i believe. >> okay. >> and so you have had conversations with the department? >> yes. >> so you have spoken on behalf of the permit holder and they refused, according to you, refused giving you records that you requested. did you request those via e-mail, phone or how were these requested? >> i had two or three e-mail conversations with mr. pastrish who passed me on to miss yu. she said this isn't my jurisdiction. he said this isn't my jurisdiction. i was passed around between the