paul is clearly using security and policy issues those are from the george bush administration, that if someone like paul gets traction, you'll probably hear more and more from the likes of mr. cheney. host: a few more tweaks as we have been talking, they write and that whenever anything has the words patriot, freedom, or liberty in its name, i am suspicious of the motives and purpose. sukie asks for the definitions. and your assessment of the graham and mccain political relationship, generally aligned? they are joined at the hip is karen's assessment. vernon, new york, good morning. caller: good morning, how are you? um, in the patriot act, why couldn't changes have been done internally if it needed to have changes done? because all they did, they already have your name, but they have your number and they track the amount of calls. now, in the freedom act, the telephone companies keep the calls but for how long? then over 1500 telephone companies in the united states alone. if one says they will keep them for four months, and one says they will keep it for two. and another thing i have to say before you comment, last night i was listening to c-span. they called up edward snowden. i have a problem with a person who is not only changed the face of america as far as security that we had to scramble the navy, the army, the marines, the air force, to change our codes. he called them a great leader and you can -- humanitarian. and to give up classified documents to somebody else is more than a felony, it is a war crime. host: you pick up on the first part of that with timing specifically. guest: our caller from burning raises a good question in that regard because inga's king -- in gus who has been independent for a fairly long timeking speaks about its provisions and how long the phone companies will keep these records. the intelligence chairman will try to amend that in several ways, one of which i didn't mention would require coordination by phone companies that they're going to keep records less than 18 months. essentially, what burr wants to address and what the collar picked up on was the concern that if the phone company decided in upstate new york, i think it would be verizon that decided they would only keep the records for a couple of months that there would have to be some way that the united states government would know that in advance and try to adjust accordingly. host: surely is in detroit michigan for democrats. caller: good morning, my concern is this. anything that our government wants to do to protect us when it comes down to security, i am four. as far as listening in on regular conversations is something that would be kind of puzzling to me. there is a lot going on in our country and around the world. i can understand why they want the patriot act to stay. i think you have to really understand politics in the government itself about the patriot act. there are a lot of men and women who are coming into this country every day and they have been coming in for decades. nobody really knows who is really in our country anymore. they cannot even keep up with who is coming and going. if you have this situation that has taken place with isis and god knows who else, a lot of men and women are being recruited out of our country. they are coming from europe and all around to get involved with these people. whatever our government has to do to keep this country safe. it has started to get very frightening. i don't think i am the only one and i am a democrat, but i will say that when it comes down to the security of our country whatever they have to do to keep us safe, i am four. host: you're certainly not really one, embers making that exact point on the floor of the senate. guest: particularly in regards to the patriot act provisions where they would argue members -- members of congress would argue, the program has now lapsed since midnight, section 215, was not actually for people listening in on your telephone calls or my telephone calls or anyone else. it was pertaining to the meta-data behind the calls patterns of who call and the like. . one of senator paul's concerns, even with the united states freedom act, is the possibility that it could lead to bulk collection through some sort of ancillary means. it may mean -- perhaps ridiculous example but bear with me, if someone who was involved in terrorist activity and was coordinating with isis or something like that, were to call into this program this morning, would then all of c-span's phone records then be scooped up in the net from the phone companies? that is one of the things of senator paul is concerned about. host: get your popcorn and your program, but paul fight against the gop power structure could be very entertaining. reality tv for free @cspanwj. judy is calling in from hawaii from our line for independents. go ahead. caller: i stand with rand. i am just appalled that so many of these people in congress easily give away our rights to privacy. people are very uncomfortable. i have conversations that i don't want my husband to hear. we want our privacy. it has not proven effective